10 Mistakes That Sank The Titanic

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:17 am

A very good documentary I thought that was on Channel 5 earlier this evening, for those who like this sort of thing.

It's available on Catchup or repeated next Saturday.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:58 am

A good, not too taxing, not too stupid watch.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 am

I sincerely hope one of the ten was that its coal was alight from the time it left the shipyard.
and not where it should have been.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:25 am

Did this include Tarkawski missing his pass across the back four?

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:19 am

Cirrus_Minor wrote:Did this include Tarkawski missing his pass across the back four?

What a ridiculous suggestion, as no doubt are those proposed in the TV programme too.
The Titanic's Sinking, along with the Hindenburg airship explosion and both TWA800 & MH470 plane crashes are all down to Joe Hart; he could/should have caught all of them.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:35 am

Not watched it yet, but hitting that big iceberg has to be up there.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:23 am

Fact for you Frank.
The iceberg the Titanic hit was roughly on a latitude between New York and Madrid. This shocked me so I searched for the furthest South an iceberg has been identified.see link.
https://www.marinelink.com/news/iceberg ... ross334857" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That’s floated some distance.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:51 am

NottsClaret wrote:Not watched it yet, but hitting that big iceberg has to be up there.

Ironically, it was the trying to avoid the iceberg that resulted in the damage to the ship. Had they hit it head on,
with the specially strengthened section of the bow, things could well have turned out differently.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:04 am

Any update on iceberg ?

Claretincraven · Post by **Claretincraven** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:55 am

[quote="Tricky Trevor"]Fact for you Frank.
The iceberg the Titanic hit was roughly on a latitude between New York and Madrid.

Must have been due to global warming.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:14 am

Read a scientific report on the matter: if they had brought the watertight doors down again, the ship would have floated straight up far longer

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:22 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:Fact for you Frank.
The iceberg the Titanic hit was roughly on a latitude between New York and Madrid. This shocked me so I searched for the furthest South an iceberg has been identified.see link.
https://www.marinelink.com/news/iceberg ... ross334857" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That’s floated some distance.

But Tricky Trevor- can you be certain it started in the Arctic and not Antarctica?

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:24 am

Cheers chaps for a Titanic thread ....

I am on a bloody cruise holiday (at least no damned Icebergs around the Canaries)

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:25 am

Bosscat wrote:Cheers chaps for a Titanic thread ....

I am on a bloody cruise holiday (at least no damned Icebergs around the Canaries)

Don’t be drinking anything “on the rocks”!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:07 am

Funkydrummer wrote:Ironically, it was the trying to avoid the iceberg that resulted in the damage to the ship. Had they hit it head on, with the specially strengthened section of the bow, things could well have turned out differently.

Yeah. Totally understandably that he'd try to avoid it though, so couldn't be to blame. It's just human nature.

5 more random, but I think interesting facts:

1) None of the engineers survived. They stayed on board to keep the power on so others could escape.
2) The band that was playing all died, as they played music as it went down.
3) The Japanese passenger who survived (Masabumi Hosono) was marked as a coward by his country for not dying with the other passengers.
4) It took 73 years to find the wreck of the Titanic.
5) 29 days after the Titanic sank, a movie about it was released. It featured an actress (Dorothy Gibson) who was one of the survivors.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:46 am

I went on a Titanic Brewery trip a few weeks back and sank a few.
It was deliberate though.
No mistakes.

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:17 pm

FactualFrank wrote:A very good documentary I thought that was on Channel 5 earlier this evening, for those who like this sort of thing.

It's available on Catchup or repeated next Saturday.

Thanks for the heads up, I'm one of those who like this kind of thing so watched it on catch up, good programme.

Seen a few Titanic documentaries so was already aware of a few of the 'mistakes' highlighted but didn't know about the the 3 week delay to the journey start for repairs to the Olympic or the passengers opening portholes after the collision with the berg!

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:12 pm

There is quite a list of survivors who died later and not from natural causes. A few were aboard other boats!!

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:16 pm

The leader of the orchestra, that played on whilst the ship went down, was Wallace Hartley from Colne. They all perished.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:22 pm

DCWat wrote:There is quite a list of survivors who died later and not from natural causes. A few were aboard other boats!!

That would be an interesting read if you could bring up any info about them and what they died of.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:05 am

AfloatinClaret wrote:What a ridiculous suggestion, as no doubt are those proposed in the TV programme too.
The Titanic's Sinking, along with the Hindenburg airship explosion and both TWA800 & MH470 plane crashes are all down to Joe Hart; he could/should have caught all of them.

Joe Hart couldn’t catch a cold.

ColneMonkey · Post by **ColneMonkey** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:29 am

Funkydrummer wrote:The leader of the orchestra, that played on whilst the ship went down, was Wallace Hartley from Colne. They all perished.

Indeed, born and bread in Colne I believe. His grave is in Colne Cemetery and theres loads of stuff about him in the Library.

At the time the film was being made researchers came to Colne to speak to Darren, who I believe still works in the library, as he's done loads of research on the subject.

Quite a fascinating subject.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:40 am

Funkydrummer wrote:The leader of the orchestra, that played on whilst the ship went down, was Wallace Hartley from Colne. They all perished.

And what greater honour could you have than a Wetherspoons pub named after you.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:19 am

Funkydrummer wrote:The leader of the orchestra, that played on whilst the ship went down, was Wallace Hartley from Colne. They all perished.

He even has his own Wikipedia page. Here we go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Hartley" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Born 1878 and (obviously) died in 1912, aged 33.

Rodneyyouplonker · Post by **Rodneyyouplonker** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:02 am

Can you confirm it is on catch up please, I went to put it on while in bed last night and couldn’t find it. The only thing I could find was Titanics Lost Sister.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:38 am

NottsClaret wrote:Not watched it yet, but hitting that big iceberg has to be up there.

Cheers for the spoiler.

HB Claret · Post by **HB Claret** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:43 am

I cruised to Greenland in August and saw many icebergs - some were huge and of course we only saw the tip of them.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:17 pm

Rodneyyouplonker wrote:Can you confirm it is on catch up please, I went to put it on while in bed last night and couldn’t find it. The only thing I could find was Titanics Lost Sister.

If you have Sky do a search for '10' and it'll show up. Else, go to Saturday 6.20pm Channel 5, it's being shown again.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:20 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:Ironically, it was the trying to avoid the iceberg that resulted in the damage to the ship. Had they hit it head on,
with the specially strengthened section of the bow, things could well have turned out differently.

Yeah. I would think it would have shifted a lot of furniture and even more people.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:22 pm

Bosscat wrote:Cheers chaps for a Titanic thread ....

I am on a bloody cruise holiday (at least no damned Icebergs around the Canaries)

Are you absolutely sure Boss? These icebergs apparently don't need cold weather to survive a long while. I'd be keeping my lifejacket handy bud.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:41 pm

houseboy wrote:Are you absolutely sure Boss? These icebergs apparently don't need cold weather to survive a long while. I'd be keeping my lifejacket handy bud.

Whales and dolphins yes but not any Icebergs ... although a number of rather large ice cubes in my drinks last night

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:04 pm

Bosscat wrote:Whales and dolphins yes but not any Icebergs ... although a number of rather large ice cubes in my drinks last night

I believe the captain of the Titanic used to be on that famous list of quotes with the word f*ck in them.

'What f*ckin iceberg'.

There was also 'what a stupid place to put a f*ckin tree' by Marc Bolan.

But my personal favourite was:
'What the f*ck was that?' by the mayor of Hiroshima.

Anyway, enough of this light hearted shilly shallying - I hope the sun is shining and the food is great. Where is your next port of call - I'll phone ahead and warn them.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:06 pm

Those interested should google " Violet Jessop " ..... she was a stewardess/nurse who worked for the White Star line, she survived a sea collison which badly damaged the " Olympic " in September 1911, survived the sinking of the " Titanic " in April 1912, and then was working on their sister ship " Britannic ", ( by then a Royal Navy Hospital ship ), when it was struck by a sea-mine in the Aegean in November 1916, and she survived that as well ...

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:10 pm

Clarets4me wrote:Those interested should google " Violet Jessop " ..... she was a stewardess/nurse who worked for the White Star line, she survived a sea collison which badly damaged the " Olympic " in September 1911, survived the sinking of the " Titanic " in April 1912, and then was working on their sister ship " Britannic ", ( by then a Royal Navy Hospital ship ), when it was struck by a sea-mine in the Aegean in November 1916, and she survived that as well ...

She obviously knew the quickest way to the lifeboats. Nobody is that lucky in their bad luck.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:24 pm

houseboy wrote:I believe the captain of the Titanic used to be on that famous list of quotes with the word f*ck in them.

'What f*ckin iceberg'.

There was also 'what a stupid place to put a f*ckin tree' by Marc Bolan.

But my personal favourite was:
'What the f*ck was that?' by the mayor of Hiroshima.

Anyway, enough of this light hearted shilly shallying - I hope the sun is shining and the food is great. Where is your next port of call - I'll phone ahead and warn them.

and King Harold 'watch him he will have some feckers eye out'

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:35 pm

Down_Rover wrote:and King Harold 'watch him he will have some feckers eye out'

King Harold's other famous quote was, when told William had landed, 'I'll keep an eye open for him'.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:45 pm

Incidentally (and off topic), speaking of Harold and his lost battle, I was in Leicestershire at the weekend and visited, among other things, Bosworth battlefield, the final act in the wars of the roses. We walked all around the perimeter in the pouring rain (about an hour or a little more) and learned a few things I never knew. The most startling thing was that in a battle that started in the morning and finished by noon over 1,000 men perished (including obviously Richard 111). Considering they had no weapons of note for mass killing (it was mainly swords, pikes and arrows, with a little cannon-fire) I found this a quite astonishing kill rate.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:32 pm

houseboy wrote:I believe the captain of the Titanic used to be on that famous list of quotes with the word f*ck in them.

'What f*ckin iceberg'.

There was also 'what a stupid place to put a f*ckin tree' by Marc Bolan.

But my personal favourite was:
'What the f*ck was that?' by the mayor of Hiroshima.

Anyway, enough of this light hearted shilly shallying - I hope the sun is shining and the food is great. Where is your next port of call - I'll phone ahead and warn them.

In Lisbon m8

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DUKW trip

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:04 pm

Bosscat wrote:In Lisbon m8
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DUKW trip

Hey I was in Portugal a couple of weeks ago mate. Lovely place - never been before for some reason. I'm not jealous - honest.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:58 pm

Leaving Southampton wash a bit rash in hindsight

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:37 pm

I know that when the crowds gathered to ask about loved ones, a polar bear pushed its way through from the back and said
"Any news about the Iceberg "