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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:00 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Yay!

Happy "Andy is posting polls again" Day

Though it is supposed to be another important day today....what was it again Andy?
Unfortunately the polls are very limited in size. Therefore can tend to be of limited value plus or minus about 4%.

They also seem to be selective who send them to .

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:02 pm

Like i said before, depends what question you ask.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:05 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Like i said before, depends what question you ask.
"In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the European Union?"

This would be a better question, don't you agree?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:07 pm

AndyClaret wrote:And what interest rate did you pay ?

My first house was £39,000. I think 1988-9.

Interest rates were 16.4%
I got a great 5 year fixed rate at 11.5% .

Because I couldnt have afforded 16.4%.

A lot has changed in the world since then.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:24 pm

Greenmile wrote::lol:

Business and Finance. 2:1

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:27 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:See? It's easy. If you just refuse to do anything except go to work and don't socialise at all, then in just 26 months you can have a £10,000 deposit.


Who needs to have friends or a family anyway?
Apparently.


YOU!


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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:29 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:"In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the European Union?"

This would be a better question, don't you agree?
Not really, in hindsight someone might think it was wrong, but still don't want to overturn it.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:30 pm

Mystic McCartney predicts


The Liebour Party -

"We only have 5 ( alter to appropriate time scale as the election approaches ) weeks to save the NHS!"

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:32 pm

Cryssys wrote:I didn't think you did and now you've just proved it. Try looking things up before using words you don't understand.

My pleasure.
I did, try google

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:33 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Not really, in hindsight someone might think it was wrong, but still don't want to overturn it.
That's just ridiculous.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spijed » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:37 pm

Guardian live update:

"Splits have emerged in Nigel Farage’s party over its election strategy, with several senior figures backing the “sensible” option of focusing its resources on a small number of Leave-voting Labour seats that it stands a realistic chance of winning.

One senior Brexit Party MEP suggested the party could field as few as 20 candidates, while other sources suggested the figure would be nearer 100.

Mr Farage, who previously suggested he would field 600 candidates, said on Wednesday night he was still “working through” his options, but there are fears at the top of the party that splitting the Leave vote in marginal constituencies could lead to a Jeremy Corbyn premiership".

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:42 pm

Spijed wrote:Guardian live update:

"Splits have emerged in Nigel Farage’s party over its election strategy, with several senior figures backing the “sensible” option of focusing its resources on a small number of Leave-voting Labour seats that it stands a realistic chance of winning.

One senior Brexit Party MEP suggested the party could field as few as 20 candidates, while other sources suggested the figure would be nearer 100.

Mr Farage, who previously suggested he would field 600 candidates, said on Wednesday night he was still “working through” his options, but there are fears at the top of the party that splitting the Leave vote in marginal constituencies could lead to a Jeremy Corbyn premiership".
Think of all the money he could pocket as the CEO of his "Party" if he only has to fund 20 campaigns instead of 600.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:13 pm

Spijed wrote:Guardian live update:

"Splits have emerged in Nigel Farage’s party over its election strategy, with several senior figures backing the “sensible” option of focusing its resources on a small number of Leave-voting Labour seats that it stands a realistic chance of winning.

One senior Brexit Party MEP suggested the party could field as few as 20 candidates, while other sources suggested the figure would be nearer 100.

Mr Farage, who previously suggested he would field 600 candidates, said on Wednesday night he was still “working through” his options, but there are fears at the top of the party that splitting the Leave vote in marginal constituencies could lead to a Jeremy Corbyn premiership".

It is a genuine concern that fielding MP’s everywhere would impact the amount of Tories who got in.

Fielding 20 candidates would cause a lot of unrest from Brexit Party members.

There are a lot of constituencies that had over 65% leave votes. They should target all of them except where the Tory is true Brexiteer and is expected to win.

But 20 is a joke.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:15 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Think of all the money he could pocket as the CEO of his "Party" if he only has to fund 20 campaigns instead of 600.
On top of a nice backhander from the Tories for stepping aside for them.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:19 pm

jrgbfc wrote:On top of a nice backhander from the Tories for stepping aside for them.
And think of how much he can make as Putin's UK ambassador to Trump when Boris appoints him as US ambassador.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:21 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:It is a genuine concern that fielding MP’s everywhere would impact the amount of Tories who got in.

Fielding 20 candidates would cause a lot of unrest from Brexit Party members.

There are a lot of constituencies that had over 65% leave votes. They should target all of them except where the Tory is true Brexiteer and is expected to win.

But 20 is a joke.

They can be as unrestful as they like, the Brexit Party is a business, not a democracy. The leader isn't elected.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:35 pm

Farage?

Letting people down?

Say it ain't so!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:37 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Farage?

Letting people down?

Say it ain't so!
Happy Brexit Day.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by aggi » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:48 pm

Spijed wrote:Guardian live update:

"Splits have emerged in Nigel Farage’s party over its election strategy, with several senior figures backing the “sensible” option of focusing its resources on a small number of Leave-voting Labour seats that it stands a realistic chance of winning.

One senior Brexit Party MEP suggested the party could field as few as 20 candidates, while other sources suggested the figure would be nearer 100.

Mr Farage, who previously suggested he would field 600 candidates, said on Wednesday night he was still “working through” his options, but there are fears at the top of the party that splitting the Leave vote in marginal constituencies could lead to a Jeremy Corbyn premiership".
I've always predicted 5 seats tops for the Brexit Party. Looks like that may have been generous.

I'm hoping to see Farage be beaten by a dolpin again.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:49 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Farage?

Letting people down?

Say it ain't so!
If it gets brexit over the line he will be considered a hero by many.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:50 pm

If the Brexit party target specific seats, they could take enough vote off Labour in order to let the Tories win.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:50 pm

AndyClaret wrote:If it gets brexit over the line he will be considered a hero by many.
Heh. Hey, remember when he campaigned for Brexit, won, and then ****** off leaving everyone else with this soggy turd? Haha. Remember?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Heh. Hey, remember when he campaigned for Brexit, won, and then ****** off leaving everyone else with this soggy turd? Haha. Remember?
I must have missed him in the Cabinet, which job did he have ?
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:13 pm

AndyClaret wrote:I must have missed him in the Cabinet, which job did he have ?
That was always the problem though wasn't it? He could spout off all he liked during the campaign but he would never be in a position to make any of it happen.

And millions of gullible saps lapped it up.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:39 pm

AndyClaret wrote:I must have missed him in the Cabinet, which job did he have ?
Turd-Grenade thrower.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:44 pm

AndyClaret wrote:I must have missed him in the Cabinet, which job did he have ?
Chief purveyor of bullshit

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by jontybfc » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:20 pm

AndyClaret wrote:I must have missed him in the Cabinet, which job did he have ?
Mong magnet

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:35 pm

aggi wrote:I've always predicted 5 seats tops for the Brexit Party. Looks like that may have been generous.

I'm hoping to see Farage be beaten by a dolpin again.

Why do you think it will be only 5????

There are a lot of constituencies that voted over 70% to leave.
If the Tories stepped down from all constituencies like that. I think the Brexit party would take the majority of them.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by thatdberight » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:42 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That's just ridiculous.
To you - which is a position you often confuse with "inarguably factual". I know people who think that because they believe it's important that the referendum result is acted on. They would, I'm sure, also vote to return to the EU immediately.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by CombatClaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:44 pm

AndyClaret wrote:I must have missed him in the Cabinet, which job did he have ?
Dog Whistle Tzar

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:46 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Why do you think it will be only 5????

There are a lot of constituencies that voted over 70% to leave.
If the Tories stepped down from all constituencies like that. I think the Brexit party would take the majority of them.
Why would the tories do that and risk not getting an outright majority? I'm sure they won't want a coalition.

Also those who voted to leave in the referendum may want a proper party to vote for in a GE.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Pstotto » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:47 pm

It's always the class sizes of infant schools, that seems to be where the economic acupuncture is usually the project with New Labour, but so far 'tax dodgers'

"Yep that's it, tax dodgers.... I KNEW there was someone else thinking like me".

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Cryssys » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:55 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:of course people on the streets die, its very sad, but it isn't always the fault of the government.
Whose responsibility is it to do something about it?

Foodbanks are a necessary evil and I'd much rather they weren't needed, but a lot of it could be prevented with better education, especially social/domestic education.
Whose responsibility is it to do something about it?

In modern Britain, today, people live longer, are healthier, earn more, enjoy more leisure time, more people live in their own homes than ever, more people are in employment, fewer people are unemployed, they have numerous mod cons to make life easier, from TV remotes to computers. The people today have genuinely never had it so good.
Yet according to Ringo things have got much worse in the last 40+ years, all down to being in the EU apparently. You claim that we have never had it so good yet you would prefer to leave?

and we should be there to help them, as the good socialists we are,

Please don't describe yourself as socialist.

Your inconsistencies are a millstone around your neck.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by aggi » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:00 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Why do you think it will be only 5????

There are a lot of constituencies that voted over 70% to leave.
If the Tories stepped down from all constituencies like that. I think the Brexit party would take the majority of them.
I don't believe that the Tories will step down from any seats. They won't want to look weak by not contesting all of the seats and they won't want to be seen appeasing Farage.

Johnson is charismatic enough to gather up a lot of the "don't care about facts, I just want Brexit" crowd that Farage was relying on and on top of that the Brexit Party just don't have the infrastructure in place to run a big campaign.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:00 pm

aggi wrote:I've always predicted 5 seats tops for the Brexit Party. Looks like that may have been generous.

I'm hoping to see Farage be beaten by a dolpin again.
I'm hoping to see Farage be beaten up.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by aggi » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:04 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That's just ridiculous.
It's true though. There are plenty of polls showing responses that basically show although a higher proportion have changed their mind about how they would have voted that doesn't necessarily track through to wanting another referendum or Brexit reversed. I'll try and dig some out.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Cryssys » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:08 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
As for pensions it's difficult. People are living longer, and the number of people claiming pensions grows year on year, the costs will therefore increase expotentially.

The only other alternative is to bang out kids to keep up with the exponentially growing oaps
In 2016 18% of the UK population was aged 65 or over, this is forecast to increase to 22% in 2030 (source: ONS)

That's hardly exponential is it?
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:08 pm

I was walking my dog through the park earlier when I saw a bloke walking towards me.

"Excuse me," I said, "I'm curious, how will you be voting in the election?"

"Conservative," he replied, "I can't trust Labour."

With that, my dog bit him. So I carried on and saw another chap and asked him the same question.

"Always Tory, " he said, got to keep the workers in their place." With that, my dog bit him as well. So I carried on and met a woman and asked her how she was going to vote in the election.

"Labour, " she replied, "the only party to be honest, fair and just."

With her reply, my dog bit her as well.

I learned something today. My dog doesn't give a f**k about politics.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by aggi » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:08 pm

Facebook advertising will be interesting in this election.

Just after Johnson became leader they started launching Facebook adverts. They had something along the lines of 450 of them being shown to different specific groups on Facebook. The expectation at the time was that this was them fine tuning their advertising campaign ready for an election but it's also an indicator how specific targeted advertising can be on Facebook.

The other interesting part, as we saw during the referendum, is that these adverts are difficult to refute as the only people who see them are those who may disagree them. I suspect this election could be the turning point where, subsequent to it, much stricter rules come into place and a new body is introduced to deal with them.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:41 pm

Speaking of farage, he's got an exclusive interview with the Donald on LBC at 6 o'clock, should trigger a few.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Cryssys » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:04 pm

Dear Millennials,

There's no money left. So you'll have to pay for your own education, healthcare, pensions and social services.

Sincerely,

The Baby-boomers.

P.S. We've f*cked up the middle east and the planet is't looking too healthy either. On the bright side, we've left you Boris Johnson, food banks and Brexit
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:25 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Speaking of farage, he's got an exclusive interview with the Donald on LBC at 6 o'clock, should trigger a few.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:40 pm

Johnson visited a hospital in Cambridgeshire today.

Judging by the reaction of this NHS worker, I don't think he will be visiting many more.

https://twitter.com/michaeljswalker/sta ... 5342218240" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:45 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Johnson visited a hospital in Cambridgeshire today.

Judging by the reaction of this NHS worker, I don't think he will be visiting many more.

https://twitter.com/michaeljswalker/sta ... 5342218240" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:lol: :lol: :lol:

https://twitter.com/MrToryLuke/status/1 ... 8985469954" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:52 pm

Andy's post sums it up perfectly. On one side we have Doctors and Nurses challenging Johnson and the Tory's on their decimation of the NHS and on the other side some bloke shouts out Corbyn you w*nker

The election campaign in a nutshell and no prizes for guessing what a lot of the braindead knuckle draggers on here will resonate with
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:54 pm

Young student, female and opinionated.

Its a potent mix for the cave dwellers!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:12 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Why would the tories do that and risk not getting an outright majority? I'm sure they won't want a coalition.

Also those who voted to leave in the referendum may want a proper party to vote for in a GE.
Because there are seats where the Tories have small majorities of less than a thousand, if the Brexit party stand it’s likely neither will get in, meaning Labour or Lib Dem would win that seat.

The Tories will come to the conclusion some sort of deal is needed. I believe!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:19 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Because there are seats where the Tories have small majorities of less than a thousand, if the Brexit party stand it’s likely neither will get in, meaning Labour or Lib Dem would win that seat.

The Tories will come to the conclusion some sort of deal is needed. I believe!
I think it's more likely that the deal will be for BP not to stand. Which will suit Boris and Farage

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:24 pm

Any deal gives Farage legitimacy and weakens the Conservatives though.

Guaranteed that Farage will end up in the House of Lords and the Brexit Party won't contest Conservative Party targets.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:27 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Because there are seats where the Tories have small majorities of less than a thousand, if the Brexit party stand it’s likely neither will get in, meaning Labour or Lib Dem would win that seat.

The Tories will come to the conclusion some sort of deal is needed. I believe!
It’s been reported that the brexit party could step aside in key West Midlands seats targeted by the tories to avoid splitting the leave vote, the party are still deciding on a strategy.

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