General Election Is On

[Jakubclaret]

Yes, but as a Labour MP pointed out last week, Labour policy is to negotiate a "leave" deal that will be very easy to negotiate because it involves staying in the single market and staying in the customs union, and essentially being a technical leave from the EU while having all the practical effects of staying in (except for the right to vote, of course).

And then they will put what they call a "confirmatory referendum" where they ask people to confirm what they meant when they voted to Leave the EU. When we voted Leave, did we really mean Remain, or did we mean near-as-dammit-Remain? They will not risk asking anywhere close to a fair question.

I understand, we wouldn't really be leaving as such with a super soft brexit what labour would plan to do.

[Lowbankclaret]

Speaking of undelivered promises. It's just 150 minutes until Brexit. Are you excited?

Er no, because as I have said I don’t think it will ever happen.

Like Corbyns 32 hour week he promised me.

[TheFamilyCat]

Er no, because as I have said I don’t think it will ever happen.

Like Corbyns 32 hour week he promised me.

You've got it bad.

[Lowbankclaret]

For the record I'm not party-loyal, and while it's entirely fair to scrutinise policy you actually do need a policy in front of you to scrutinise, which hasn't arrived yet, hence the first line of my post. However, from what has been spoken about thus far there appears not to be any suggestion whatsoever of reducing take-home wage or indeed pension contributions. This ambition appears to be in the early stages of think-tank policy research. Any and every piece of legislation passed in pursuit of this ambition will undergo scrutiny to ensure things like pension contributions and pensions themselves remain viable. The idea is to rebalance the economy, and more pertinently the employer/employee power balance, which in part entails rebalancing wealth distribution, hence a tax policy, with the aim of giving we plebs more power and agency; and putting not directly in law an hour-cap, but rather legislating to shape labour standards and rights in a way which establishes (or rather, develops) a labour market in which its natural market forces effectively guarantees that grafting for 32 hours a week ensures someone can live a decent, secure enough, if not opulent life. Personally, I'd be content for that guarantee at 40hrs, but here we are. It's an ambitions undertaking but not an impossible one. I imagine progressing from the Victorian workhouse model was seen as similarly ambitious, and probably labelled by the wealthy as being unworkable and impossible at the time, but I'm not a historian.

Labour commits to it, I knew I heard it in speeches at the conference.

And with no loss in pay.

Yea, no impact on my pension. Oh hold on my company will be bankrupt, might be an issue.

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[TheFamilyCat]

Labour commits to it, I knew I heard it in speeches at the conference.

And with no loss in pay.

Yea, no impact on my pension. Oh hold on my company will be bankrupt, might be an issue.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 16581.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I apologise. That article clearly says that Labour are promising that everyone will be forced to work a maximum of 32 hours per week.

[Lowbankclaret]

Had a strange encounter this evening.

Being in town longer than we thought , called a Local Chinese for tea who are on just eat.

Guy taking the order starts talking about leaving the EU, ex navy.

Delivery driver is an Asian guy in Asian dress.

Joins in the conversation and tells us he voted leave.

Will not vote in this election because they have not done what we voted for.

Gobsmacked I was.

[thatdberight]

Had a strange encounter this evening.

Being in town longer than we thought , called a Local Chinese for tea who are on just eat.

Guy taking the order starts talking about leaving the EU, ex navy.

Delivery driver is an Asian guy in Asian dress.

Joins in the conversation and tells us he voted leave.

Will not vote in this election because they have not done what we voted for.

Gobsmacked I was.

That's typical of Brexit voters. Racists in brownface trying to get Asian guys the blame for their loathsome views.

[Devils_Advocate]

Had a strange encounter this evening.

Being in town longer than we thought , called a Local Chinese for tea who are on just eat.

Guy taking the order starts talking about leaving the EU, ex navy.

Delivery driver is an Asian guy in Asian dress.

Joins in the conversation and tells us he voted leave.

Will not vote in this election because they have not done what we voted for.

Gobsmacked I was.

Are you sure this was not just how the conversation sounded in your head and in reality they were just discussing the weather with you?

[Imploding Turtle]

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[Lowbankclaret]

Are you sure this was not just how the conversation sounded in your head and in reality they were just discussing the weather with you?

To be fair , I thought he was a really nice guy.
Just stunned he voted leave

[ClaretAndJew]

DHOTYA

[Cryssys]

I wouldn't call it an exponential increase myself, but using strict mathematical definitions to try and debunk a colloquial expression is a bit pointless.

You acknowledge the definition is correct but because it doesn't fit the facts, your opinion or your understanding you change the definition. First class wriggling.

Scientific words used in colloquial English shouldn't be taken literally.

They should when someone uses them to present something as a fact when it clearly isn't. Otherwise it just becomes hype.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Had a strange encounter this evening.

Being in town longer than we thought , called a Local Chinese for tea who are on just eat.

Guy taking the order starts talking about leaving the EU, ex navy.

Delivery driver is an Asian guy in Asian dress.

Joins in the conversation and tells us he voted leave.

Will not vote in this election because they have not done what we voted for.

Gobsmacked I was.

Very typical.

I find many migrants (now citizens) from outside the EU voted leave and cannot fathom why we want to be in it. Indians I find particularly Leave dominant.

[Jakubclaret]

Very typical.

I find many migrants (now citizens) from outside the EU voted leave and cannot fathom why we want to be in it. Indians I find particularly Leave dominant.

When the polish people first came over in large numbers I used to hear they were dubbed the white Pakistanis, but I don’t see how the Asians would be predominantly vote leave the polish didn’t take over the takeaway businesses or taxi driving or mobile phone shops, the EU migrants & the Asian community seem to integrate well.

[RingoMcCartney]

Very typical.

I find many migrants (now citizens) from outside the EU voted leave and cannot fathom why we want to be in it. Indians I find particularly Leave dominant.

Perhaps it's in the DNA of Indians?

After all, India threw off the shackles of the British Empire. Why would Indians want to be part of any European one?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I was going to make that joke about thatdberight but you can bet if I had he, and probably you and a bunch of other snowflakey *****, would have thrown a hissy fit about me wishing him dead.

Not me, I've got a sense of humour.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I thought it was just me random people on the other end of a phone told who which they voted in a referendum in 2016 before I order my vindaloo.

Even the postman the other day wouldn’t give me my parcel until he’d told me which way he’d voted.

Looking forward to my commute to work now you never know who you’ll bump into and the conversations you might have!

[Woodleyclaret]

I would vote for Corbyn much as I cant stand him, if it got me a 32 hr week. But as hes going to get hammered due to his stupidy in ignoring Labour voters who voted in large numbers to leave .

[AndrewJB]

To be fair , I thought he was a really nice guy.
Just stunned he voted leave

Why were you stunned he voted leave?

[Jakubclaret]

I would vote for Corbyn much as I cant stand him, if it got me a 32 hr week. But as hes going to get hammered due to his stupidy in ignoring Labour voters who voted in large numbers to leave .

I agree, it'll put millions off & he'll fall on his own sword because of this.

[AndrewJB]

I would vote for Corbyn much as I cant stand him, if it got me a 32 hr week. But as hes going to get hammered due to his stupidy in ignoring Labour voters who voted in large numbers to leave .

He’s offering a leave too, and one that is far better for working people than Johnson’s. If we’re going to leave, then far better to remain in the CU so we retain closer trade ties, and all the jobs that go with it than be out of that.

[TheFamilyCat]

Perhaps it's in the DNA of Indians?

After all, India threw off the shackles of the British Empire. Why would Indians want to be part of any European one?

So much in the DNA that they threw off the shackles then came to live here?

[Lancasterclaret]

So much in the DNA that they threw off the shackles then came to live here?

Sssshhhhhhhh

Its Friday

ITS RINGO TIME!

[TheFamilyCat]

Just giving him a little warm up exercise

[RingoMcCartney]

Sssshhhhhhhh

Its Friday

ITS RINGO TIME!

You're correct, (for once), it is Friday!. So why not take the opportunity not to avoid answering a question for the last fortnight and finally answer it.

Given you'll be voting for a party that says it will stop Brexit without a referendum. How would you feel if a government subsequently took us out of the EU anyway, without a referendum?

Dont be a answer swerving , credibility lacked all week. Have fridays off!

[RingoMcCartney]

So much in the DNA that they threw off the shackles then came to live here?

Yes.

I havent got a problem with that.

Have you?

Yes or No?

[Spijed]

Yes.

I havent got a problem with that.

Have you?

Yes or No?

So Ringo, the price of Brexit.

The NHS sold off to the Americans!

Great innit?

[Lancasterclaret]

You're correct, (for once), it is Friday!. So why not take the opportunity not to avoid answering a question for the last fortnight and finally answer it.

Given you'll be voting for a party that says it will stop Brexit without a referendum. How would you feel if a government subsequently took us out of the EU anyway, without a referendum?

Dont be a answer swerving , credibility lacked all week. Have fridays off!

You lie to get on the radio

You lied about Jo Swinson on here without doing a cursory fact check, and quoted four different fake news sites.

So I'm going to sit back, do my work, drink my coffee and watch you post your usual Friday offerings.

Hope all this makes your life better Ringo!

[Imploding Turtle]

You're correct, (for once), it is Friday!. So why not take the opportunity not to avoid answering a question for the last fortnight and finally answer it.

Given you'll be voting for a party that says it will stop Brexit without a referendum. How would you feel if a government subsequently took us out of the EU anyway, without a referendum?

Dont be a answer swerving , credibility lacked all week. Have fridays off!

Are you seriously still whining about him not answering a question he has previously already answered? How sad.

[Lancasterclaret]

Parliament in sovereign.

Always has been, always will be

[Quickenthetempo]

What went on in Worcester last night.

Somebody said Labour took a kicking but it's a bit early for that isn't it?

[Lancasterclaret]

Local election?

Absolutely no idea to be honest

[TheFamilyCat]

Yes.

I havent got a problem with that.

Have you?

Yes or No?

Have I got a problem with Indians living here? No, not at all. What an odd question.

[RingoMcCartney]

You lie to get on the radio

You lied about Jo Swinson on here without doing a cursory fact check, and quoted four different fake news sites.

So I'm going to sit back, do my work, drink my coffee and watch you post your usual Friday offerings.

Hope all this makes your life better Ringo!

I've held my hand up, and conceded the Swinson thing I'd spotted was wrong. When I posted it on Monday thought it was genuine. Once I realised it was fake, I admitted it. I DID NOT try and continue claiming it was true. That would be lying.

I have not admitted I've lied on here. On here, openly said, that to get on certain national radio stations . You have to tell the production team what they want to hear.

I would have thought that somebody who sees themselves as an intellectual and political heavyweight would be able to differentiate the subtle difference.

So that means I've now answered you TWICE.

What would make my life a tad better, would be that you answered a simple straight forward reasonable,
politely asked question ONCE!

Given you'll be voting for a party that says it will stop Brexit without a referendum. How would you feel if a government subsequently took us out of the EU anyway, without a referendum?

[aggi]

I imagine it could be this council election



A council seat so hard to judge really. Votes involved were pretty minimal (winner got ~ 700)

[RingoMcCartney]

Have I got a problem with Indians living here? No, not at all. What an odd question.

Good.

[Rick_Muller]

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Just Wow AndyClaret - you compare an articulate student doctor who is highlighting the facts about how the NHS IS being privatised and has already been privatised, and how BoJo will shaft the NHS using Jeremy Hunt's template to some dickhead shouting "Corbyn is a W#nker". That just about sums up the ignorance of you and your kind.

The thing that is overlooked in this appreciation of this charming and fluent young lady is that she is basing all her "facts" on fiction. How can she possibly see the effect of Tory cuts on the NHS, when (i) in 2010-11 NHS spending £115 billion which is rising to £134 billion in inflation-adjusted terms in 2019-20. That's a much greater rise than the increase in population.

So she may validly criticise the government for not increasing spending enough, or she may validly criticise NHS management for spending it badly, but she can't validly criticise the government for making cuts. (Her comments on being able to see the effect of the "cuts" might also be taken with a pinch of salt because she doesn't look old enough to remember what it was like 10 years ago. The voice of an older nurse at first hand, rather than this woman's voice repeating what she has been told, would be more relevant, perhaps.)

OK - take it from someone who spent 10 years working in the NHS and has spent the last 10 years in the care of the NHS for a serious chronic lifelong disease. Everything she alludes to is correct. I have researched as much as I can, and concluded that the drugs used to treat me will cost 10 to 15 times MORE if the market is opened to the USA companies - that will be the recharge to the NHS. Make no mistake about it, this is a tactic to undermine the NHS and force it's failure to ensure that private health firms can step in and "rescue" the NHS. Many of the services I have been sent for that used to be provided by the NHS (Cat Scan; X-Ray; Physio etc) are all run by external private companies now and they can charge the NHS what they like for the service. All done in the guise of having competition to improve efficiency. The Tory policy is scandalous, and I hope none of you get ill and regret the Tories selling us down the river.

[RingoMcCartney]

Are you seriously still whining about him not answering a question he has previously already answered? How sad.

Are you seriously poking your head out of your shell and posting nonsense.!?

[Lancasterclaret]

I've held my hand up, and conceded the Swinson thing I'd spotted was wrong. When I posted it on Monday thought it was genuine. Once I realised it was fake, I admitted it. I DID NOT try and continue claiming it was true. That would be lying.

I have not admitted I've lied on here. On here, openly said, that to get on certain national radio stations . You have to tell the production team what they want to hear.

You are bright enough to get that another google search of what you wanted to hear would have told you that it was ********.

But you didn't do it.

Because you so wanted it to be true and its exactly what you wanted to find, so you posted it.

I've no idea why you lied to get on the radio Ringo, I listen to while I'm working and there is no shortage of people with your views on there. Its not like they block brexiteers is it?

I've replied AGAIN btw.

[RingoMcCartney]

So Ringo, the price of Brexit.

The NHS sold off to the Americans!

Great innit?

If you want to believe it. Fine.

Vote accordingly.

It's a democracy. Just.......

[Lancasterclaret]

If you want to believe it. Fine.

Vote accordingly.

It's a democracy. Just.......

I posted the US documents from the US Government that details their aims for the deal Ringo.

Its all there in black and white.

[AndyClaret]

I imagine it could be this council election



A council seat so hard to judge really. Votes involved were pretty minimal (winner got ~ 700)

This is what I said yesterday, lib Dems taking votes off labour, and letting the Tories win.

[RingoMcCartney]

You are bright enough to get that another google search of what you wanted to hear would have told you that it was ********.

But you didn't do it.

Because you so wanted it to be true and its exactly what you wanted to find, so you posted it.

I've no idea why you lied to get on the radio Ringo, I listen to while I'm working and there is no shortage of people with your views on there. Its not like they block brexiteers is it?

I've replied AGAIN btw.

I'm honest enough to admit it was fake.

Looks like you're not honest enough to answer my question.

And it's now YOU that's lying!

You have not answered the question-

Given you'll be voting for a party that says it will stop Brexit without a referendum. How would you feel if a government subsequently took us out of the EU anyway, without a referendum?


Is so cut and paste it .......



Over to your , credibility lacking and now lying through your teeth , not so squeaky clean, self!

[Lancasterclaret]

This is what I said yesterday, lib Dems taking votes off labour, and letting the Tories win.

Or in this case, the independent taking the votes off Labour so the Conservatives won*

*I do take your point btw, I'm being slightly facetious!

Thats why I think tactical voting will decide this election one way or the other, but I think everyone is waiting to see what the Brexit Party plan to do.

If they give the Tories a free hand, then Lab and Lib Dems need to get a pact sorted whether they like it or not.

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm honest enough to admit it was fake.

Looks like you're not honest enough to answer my question.

And it's now YOU that's lying!

You have not answered the question-

Given you'll be voting for a party that says it will stop Brexit without a referendum. How would you feel if a government subsequently took us out of the EU anyway, without a referendum?


Is so cut and paste it .......



Over to your , credibility lacking and now lying through your teeth , not so squeaky clean, self!

But I have

[TVC15]

To be fair , I thought he was a really nice guy.
Just stunned he voted leave

I’m stunned you were stunned tbh.
Just like what happened in America the biggest single reason people voted how they did was their own economic / financial position.
Forget all this crap about getting our sovereignty back - that’s only a factor for some people when money isn’t.
This country would have been nowhere without the migrant population - my guess from their point of view they have as much right as anyone to vote for leave if they believe uncontrolled migration might put their own livelihoods at risk (not my views btw)

[tiger76]

What went on in Worcester last night.

Somebody said Labour took a kicking but it's a bit early for that isn't it?

The Labour vote collapsed,and in a ward they were defending they slumped to 4th.

Bromsgrove South (Worcestershire) result:

CON: 40.2% (-0.3)
IND: 22.8% (+22.8)
LDEM: 18.7% (+13.7)
LAB: 18.3% (-32.2)

Conservative GAIN from Labour.

What's alarming for Labour is the winning Conservative candidate doesn't even live in the ward,whereas the Labour candidate was local.

Now this is an isolated local by-election,so you can't read too much into the result.Researching more deeply this ward is in Sajid Javid's constituency,which is naturally a safe seat.

The concern for Labour is there is a large number of marginals in this region,which they'll need to hold to prevent a Conservative majority,if they are losing vote share this becomes much harder,as the Conservatives could pick up seats just by standing still,due to the falling Labour vote.

But Labour's vote share has been dropping week on week for a few months now,and by and large the Conservative vote is holding steady.

Labour need to stem the tide or the GE could be a bloodbath.

[Lancasterclaret]

Farage just declared war on the Conservatives.

This could be the most interesting election ever.

[RingoMcCartney]

But I have

If that's the case, and I missed it, do the decent thing and either cut n paste it, identify the post number. Or simply do the easiest thing and instead of wasting time ,using the same amount of time and effort, making à post claiming you've already answered my question, just re-type your answer,

Here's the question-

Given you'll be voting for a party that says it will stop Brexit without a referendum. How would you feel if a government subsequently took us out of the EU anyway, without a referendum?

[wickdkewlclaret]

Read Labours policies. It’s hard to not agree with all of them. Torries have done a shite job, no contest.