General Election Is On

[AndrewJB]

He's wrong is he?!

You had experience of both. In order to avoid speaking from a position of ignorance and lacking credibility?

Yes or No?

Plus, he was talking about the way the EU is developing. Not necessarily as it is right now.

Yes, he’s wrong. I know several people who lived in, and escaped from communist Poland and they would laugh at the comparison. If you want to believe the old man, go for it, but I’m not so gullible. You could always do some research and show us some evidence, but I think you’ll find none.

[TheFamilyCat]

Yes, he’s wrong. I know several people who lived in, and escaped from communist Poland and they would laugh at the comparison. If you want to believe the old man, go for it, but I’m not so gullible. You could always do some research and show us some evidence, but I think you’ll find none.

I love how ringo thinks you need to have lived in communist Poland to be able to make comparisons to the EU.

[AndrewJB]

I love how ringo thinks you need to have lived in communist Poland to be able to make comparisons to the EU.

And believes a solitary elderly Polish man who has made a prediction about the future, and put it on YouTube.

[TheFamilyCat]

And believes a solitary elderly Polish man who has made a prediction about the future, and put it on YouTube.

And then refuses to share the link. Even by ringo's standards it's odd behaviour.

[TheFamilyCat]

He's wrong is he?!

You had experience of both. In order to avoid speaking from a position of ignorance and lacking credibility?

Yes or No?

Plus, he was talking about the way the EU is developing. Not necessarily as it is right now.

And what makes you believe this 90+ year-old Pole is suitably well-informed to predict the future development of the EU?

[AndrewJB]

And what makes you believe this 90+ year-old Pole is suitably well-informed to predict the future development of the EU?

What kind of elderly Polish men put such predictions up on You Tube? Could it be Stanislaw, who augmented his meager pension by saying what he was told from the person filming it, or could it be Stan, from Bognor Regis - who does a great Polish accent? Just a bit curious.

[Lancasterclaret]

Boris Johnson last night

""Actually Northern Ireland has got a great deal. It's got a great deal. You keep free movement, you keep access to the single market. But you also have, as it says in the deal, unfettered access to GB."

If that is such a great deal, why are we not having it as well?

[TheFamilyCat]

Boris Johnson last night

""Actually Northern Ireland has got a great deal. It's got a great deal. You keep free movement, you keep access to the single market. But you also have, as it says in the deal, unfettered access to GB."

If that is such a great deal, why are we not having it as well?

Because the will of the people voted for something crapper in the biggest single expression of democracy thos country has ever seen.

[Spijed]

Boris Johnson last night

""Actually Northern Ireland has got a great deal. It's got a great deal. You keep free movement, you keep access to the single market. But you also have, as it says in the deal, unfettered access to GB."

If that is such a great deal, why are we not having it as well?

And in the video he looks like he'd had a few too many!

[martin_p]

And in the video he looks like he'd had a few too many!

Wrongo will pick up on that, he hates politicians that appear drunk.

[Lancasterclaret]

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[AndrewJB]

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That’s hard to watch.

[Lancasterclaret]

And in other batshit mental election news

The Brexit Party are not going to have a manifesto, they are going to have a "contract with the British People"

No wonder they don't bother making "The Thick of It" anymore.

[TheFamilyCat]

Haha. Farage being shown up to be the utter twerp he really is.

[AndyClaret]

Another one bites the dust ?

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[AndyClaret]

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Quoting the Incel little Jimmy Felton now, the man with the voice of a 12 year old girl.

[martin_p]

Another one bites the dust ?

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It’s a little ironic, the candidates on all sides being pressured to stand aside for inappropriate comments, when Boris Johnson is a candidate for Prime Minister.

[android]

Yes, he’s wrong. I know several people who lived in, and escaped from communist Poland and they would laugh at the comparison. If you want to believe the old man, go for it, but I’m not so gullible. You could always do some research and show us some evidence, but I think you’ll find none.

At least you and Ringo seem to agree on the despair of living in communist Poland. Back in the day I visited Poland, East Germany, Soviet Union and others. Fair to say they left a vastly different impression on me than they did on Jeremy Corbyn (maybe I just needed Diane for company).

[martin_p]

At least you and Ringo seem to agree on the despair of living in communist Poland. Back in the day I visited Poland, East Germany, Soviet Union and others. Fair to say they left a vastly different impression on me than they did on Jeremy Corbyn (maybe I just needed Diane for company).

And which bits of what Corbyn is talking about in his election campaign lead you to believe that Cold War era communism is what he has in mind for the uk (or any kind of communism for that matter)?

[Lancasterclaret]

Quoting the Incel little Jimmy Felton now, the man with the voice of a 12 year old girl.

Jesus

Go and lie down and have a **** over Breitbart.

[AndyClaret]

And another one bites the dust...

Do Labour have any candidates that aren't raving anti-semites ?

[AndyClaret]

Jesus

Go and lie down and have a **** over Breitbart.

Rather that than turn a blind eye to anti-semitism because, erm, Brexit.

[Spijed]

And another one bites the dust...

Do Labour have any candidates that aren't raving anti-semites ?

And likewise, do the Tories have any candidates that don't think rape is ok?

[Lancasterclaret]

Rather that than turn a blind eye to anti-semitism because, erm, Brexit.

You are as transparent as Rowls is over anti-semitism mate.

[AndyClaret]

And likewise, do the Tories have any candidates that don't think rape is ok?

1 vs how many anti-semites ? i've lost count already.

[AndyClaret]

You are as transparent as Rowls is over anti-semitism mate.

And you're about as transparent as Anna Soubry in respecting the referendum.

[martin_p]

1 vs how many anti-semites ? i've lost count already.

I think you’re being harsh there Andy. I’m sure there’s more than 1 Tory candidate that doesn’t think rape is ok.

[Lancasterclaret]

And you're about as transparent as Anna Soubry in respecting the referendum.

Jesus

Get a good deal and I'm right behind it.

We haven't got a good deal, so I'm not.

Unlike people like you, I look at stuff from the other side and I'm bright enough and interested enough to do some checking of stuff to see if its good or not. This deal is better than no-deal, but it leaves us with an almost certain no-deal in 2020. I've been as consistent in my opposition to a No Deal as you are in not posting polls that don't back up what you want to believe.

Quick question for you - if this election doesn't result in a Conservative Government, are you still going to ignore the election results of 2017 and 2019 in a parliamentary democracy because of an advisory referendum in 2016?

And if we have a majority government on Dec 13th, then that government have a mandate to do what it wants. I might not like what it does, but it has a democratic mandate, and thats is very important in a parliamentary democracy.

[AndyClaret]

I think you’re being harsh there Andy. I’m sure there’s more than 1 Tory candidate that doesn’t think rape is ok.

Maybe, but it's quite telling how open Labours anti-semites are.

[Lancasterclaret]

And all this shows is that the candidate selection procedures for both the Cons and Labour are massively inadequate.

[Lancasterclaret]

Stuff like this just backs up my point btw

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This is a hard Brexit Deal. It is not what the majority of the country wanted or voted for in 2016.

[martin_p]

Maybe, but it's quite telling how open Labours anti-semites are.

Only a ‘maybe’. Ok.

[AndyClaret]

Only a ‘maybe’. Ok.

Without evidence it's a maybe, whereas there are loads of Labour anti-semites out in the open.

[martin_p]

Without evidence it's a maybe, whereas there are loads of Labour anti-semites out in the open.

Wow, you must have a pretty low opinion of the Tory candidates if you think there ‘maybe’ more than one (without evidence) that doesn’t think that rape is ok!

[AndyClaret]

And all this shows is that the candidate selection procedures for both the Cons and Labour are massively inadequate.

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[AndyClaret]

Wow, you must have a pretty low opinion of the Tory candidates if you think there ‘maybe’ more than one (without evidence) that doesn’t think that rape is ok!

Whereas you have no evidence, so just assume they must.

[martin_p]

Whereas you have no evidence, so just assume they must.

So just to be clear, you think Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg think rape is ok because you’ve no evidence to the contrary (or is Johnson your 1 that doesn’t think rape is ok)?

[AndyClaret]

So just to be clear, you think Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg think rape is ok because you’ve no evidence to the contrary (or is Johnson your 1 that doesn’t think rape is ok)?

I think you've just described your position there my friend.

[Billy Balfour]

And another one bites the dust...

Better ban Shakespeare in schools then. This is getting ridiculous.

[martin_p]

I think you've just described your position there my friend.

Read your posts, I’ve described your position. You were asked If the Tories have any candidates that don’t think rape is ok and you said ‘1’. When I suggested that was a bit harsh you required proof that more Tory candidates don’t think rape is ok. I’m more generous (even to a Tory), I assume they don’t think rape is ok unless they say something to make me think different.

[android]

And which bits of what Corbyn is talking about in his election campaign lead you to believe that Cold War era communism is what he has in mind for the uk (or any kind of communism for that matter)?

What Corbyn has said and done since 2015 matters. But what he said and did before 2015 (a long life) is even more informative. I think the better question would be why are so many willing to set aside his past beliefs and actions?

I think part of the answer is a visceral hatred of anything/anyone tory in some places so any alternative is worth considering however bad it might be. Another reason is that Corbyn often comes across as generally well meaning and harmless. Apart from the European issue, Corbyn doesn't appear to have set out to reinvent himself - unlike Mcdonnell who has tried to reinvent himself and seems much more desperate for power. Would like to add to this later but am short of time now, although I don't particularly want to re-hash the differences between Marxism and Communism.

[martin_p]

What Corbyn has said and done since 2015 matters. But what he said and did before 2015 (a long life) is even more informative. I think the better question would be why are so many willing to set aside his past beliefs and actions?

Presumably for the same reason people are prepared to believe that Johnson wants to take us out of the EU when he wrote plenty in support of staying in it pre-referendum.

[Lancasterclaret]

What Corbyn has said and done since 2015 matters. But what he said and did before 2015 (a long life) is even more informative. I think the better question would be why are so many willing to set aside his past beliefs and actions?

I think part of the answer is a visceral hatred of anything/anyone tory in some places so any alternative is worth considering however bad it might be. Another reason is that Corbyn often comes across as generally well meaning and harmless. Apart from the European issue, Corbyn doesn't appear to have set out to reinvent himself - unlike Mcdonnell who has tried to reinvent himself and seems much more desperate for power. Would like to add to this later but am short of time now, although I don't particularly want to re-hash the differences between Marxism and Communism.

I'm fine with all that as long as we can do the same for Johnson.

[CrosspoolClarets]

It’s a shame we only have a choice between Johnson and his (fairly) hard Brexit desire and Corbyn who will bankrupt the country with his Marxist dystopia. I don’t count as credible voting options the lying (even by politician standards) hypocrite Swinson, the even loonier Greens and the ranting English hating SNP. I also don’t count the Brexit Party because in this instance anyone voting for that is insane.

The Bank of England view this week is that the Johnson deal is a bump in the road (an initial uptick followed by a small decline within 3 years).

People need to decide whether voting for that is preferable to Marxism. As austerity showed, it is almost inevitable that those who will vote for Corbyn will be the ones to bear the brunt of the fallout afterwards, so it’s their choice, and the rest of their lives will be framed by it.

[Lancasterclaret]

It’s a shame we only have a choice between Johnson and his (fairly) hard Brexit desire and Corbyn who will bankrupt the country with his Marxist dystopia. I don’t count as credible voting options the lying (even by politician standards) hypocrite Swinson, the even loonier Greens and the ranting English hating SNP. I also don’t count the Brexit Party because in this instance anyone voting for that is insane.

The Bank of England view this week is that the Johnson deal is a bump in the road (an initial uptick followed by a small decline within 3 years).

People need to decide whether voting for that is preferable to Marxism. As austerity showed, it is almost inevitable that those who will vote for Corbyn will be the ones to bear the brunt of the fallout afterwards, so it’s their choice, and the rest of their lives will be framed by it.

I have to ask (as I'm approaching that age)

Does it just click in over night that "socialist" means "Marxist"?

[Greenmile]

“Marxist dystopia”

[Greenmile]

“Lying hypocrite Swinson” (from someone who’s a fan of Johnson)

[android]

Martin/Lancs - I actually have a lot of sympathy with Corbyn's EU switch. If he wanted to stay as Labour leader he had to officially support Remain in 2016 and I'm sure he saw this as a price worth paying for the once in a generation (or even many generations) opportunity at government. I know I'm supposed to call Corbyn a liar and all that but politics puts people in extremely difficult situations.

I was talking mainly economics and state control. EU aside, Johnson is seen as from the liberal left of the Conservative party. He's obviously keen to increase public spending and made similar noises in the early days of May's time. I can't see him being a radical change from the past 30 years. It's a choice between a Johnson government or a Corbyn government with a Marxist chancellor. It can't be extreme from day one but the intended direction of travel is obvious.

[Greenmile]

Martin/Lancs - I actually have a lot of sympathy with Corbyn's EU switch. If he wanted to stay as Labour leader he had to officially support Remain in 2016 and I'm sure he saw this as a price worth paying for the once in a generation (or even many generations) opportunity at government. I know I'm supposed to call Corbyn a liar and all that but politics puts people in extremely difficult situations.

I was talking mainly economics and state control. EU aside, Johnson is seen as from the liberal left of the Conservative party. He's obviously keen to increase public spending and made similar noises in the early days of May's time. I can't see him being a radical change from the past 30 years. It's a choice between a Johnson government or a Corbyn government with a Marxist chancellor. It can't be extreme from day one but the intended direction of travel is obvious.

This may seem to be a bit of a non-sequitur, but what are your views on the trans community?

You seem to think that someone can self-identify as a Marxist even if it isn’t backed up by their actions and policies, so presumably you’re all for someone self-identifying as a woman / man even if it isn’t backed up by their genitalia.

[Spijed]

It's been pointed out that Boris Johnson hasn't had a single press conference.