Lancasterclaret wrote:What is the point in voting for the Brexit Party?
You might as well vote Conservative
That could well be many people’s point of view.
There are still a lot of people who will not vote Tory.
Looks like we will see
Lancasterclaret wrote:What is the point in voting for the Brexit Party?
You might as well vote Conservative
You can believe in Brexit and still vote Labour.Vino blanco wrote:It also means they believe in Brexit, and I'm sure they all sleep well at night.
Vino blanco wrote:Many, many of my mates in Burnley are Labour through and through. They will never vote Conservative but they will vote for the Brexit Party.
TheFamilyCat wrote:I see you're still throwing that around, again providing more evidence that you don't read, or choose to ignore what other people write. Funny too that you get in a hissy fit when anyone calls any leave voter a narrow minded little Englander.
Anyway, I digress. Back to your old Polish guy making the ridiculous claim that you have thrown all your weight behind. So you've made up that he fought in the war? I won't dispute that he lived under Soviet rule; in which case he will have witnessed these things:
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Do you really believe this would be our future if we stayed in the EU? Really?
He's more qualified to predict the future of the European union, given he actually lived under the Soviet cosh, than you ever will.TheFamilyCat wrote:And what makes you believe this 90+ year-old Pole is suitably well-informed to predict the future development of the EU?
TheFamilyCat wrote:And what makes you believe this 90+ year-old Pole is suitably well-informed to predict the future development of the EU?
I'm not sure I can cope with much more of this.CrosspoolClarets wrote:The only way Johnson wins a majority is if the Brexit Party stands down. They should get a promise of something to be written in the Tory manifesto and then withdraw all candidates by Thursday.
People can be a bit thick, especially young inexperienced people (I was one of them 30 years ago), and there are a LOT of people who support Corbynomics. Even after disastrous interviews about foreign policy (this morning) by Thornberry, Corbyn could easily be our next PM, and he would then be hard to stop with his purge of top civil servants, letting foreigners and children vote, borrowing on the never never, etc.
The only way he isn't, is if we all pull together to stop him. That means you too Nigel.
TheFamilyCat wrote:Hi ringo, not sure what's happened there. I asked a question and all you have done is repeated the post I replied to. Must be an issue with your copy/paste function; it's get that looked into, you do use it a lot.
Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning. How are those two things linked?RingoMcCartney wrote:He's more qualified to predict the future of the European union, given he actually lived under the Soviet cosh, than you ever will.
No, I have not had the experience of either as you are taking about the future of the EU.RingoMcCartney wrote:You had experience of both. In order to avoid speaking from a position of ignorance and lacking credibility?
Yes or No?
On the contrary Aggi, what you are missing is that Brexit is far from irreversible, we can re-enter, and doubtless with an offer that lets us keep the pound (with way less influence that now admittedly).aggi wrote:What you're missing here is that if Brexit goes badly it is irreversible. If "Corbynomics" goes badly it may drag on for a few years but we can vote the party out after 5 years and change things around.
We won’t be leaving Lancs if Farage stands in every seat. That’s the point.Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm not sure I can cope with much more of this.
Honestly, what are you all going to do when we leave and things don't magically improve?
Who the hell are you going to blame then?
its almost like you are admitting that leaving isn't the "will of the people"CrosspoolClarets wrote:We won’t be leaving Lancs if Farage stands in every seat. That’s the point.
And if this bunch don’t leave and see us improve, we will vote someone else in who will. That’s democracy.
That is a fair point.Damo wrote:I dont think voting for Labour because your grandad worked down the mines is helpful for sleeping at night to be honest
Ah! So you admit it. Given that youre fortunate never to have lived under the cosh of the soviet union. You are talking from a position of pure ignorance when sat the old polish fella is wrong when he looks at the direction of travel the EU is heading and it looks all too familiar to his concerned eyes!TheFamilyCat wrote:No, I have not had the experience of either as you are taking about the future of the EU.
So unless you're old Polish guy is also a time-traveller and has lived in the future he is similarly experienced and qualified.
Or because you made it up (still no link).RingoMcCartney wrote:Ah! So you admit it. Given that youre fortunate never to have lived under the cosh of the soviet union. You are talking from a position of pure ignorance when sat the old polish fella is wrong when he looks at the direction of travel the EU is heading and it looks all too familiar to his concerned eyes!
old polish gentleman that lived under the soviet union cosh, referring to how the EU is going
"I've lived in your future. Its nota nice place to be
I'm retyping that quote cos , as an evangelical EU nationalist zealot and a self confessed Little Europeaner you dont like it!
One thing I find odd is that I thought Boris Johnson wanted a majority to govern for five years.AndyClaret wrote:Conservative candidate in Hartlepool stands down, brexit chairman Richard tice is standing there.
The leave alliance is on !
martin_p wrote:Or because you made it up (still no link).
John Curtice:martin_p wrote:Today’s events may help Johnson win a few more seats, but it’s a complete and utter humiliation for Farage. He’s implicitly accepted Johnson’s deal, all those intending to vote for the Brexit Party should remember that, and got absolutely nothing in return from Johnson.
More evidence of not reading from ringo but hardly surprising. Where have I said he is wrong? I just wondered how well informed he is on the future direction of the EU.RingoMcCartney wrote:Ah! So you admit it. Given that youre fortunate never to have lived under the cosh of the soviet union. You are talking from a position of pure ignorance when sat the old polish fella is wrong when he looks at the direction of travel the EU is heading and it looks all too familiar to his concerned eyes!
old polish gentleman that lived under the soviet union cosh, referring to how the EU is going
"I've lived in your future. Its nota nice place to be
I'm retyping that quote cos , as an evangelical EU nationalist zealot and a self confessed Little Europeaner you dont like it!
Are you supposed to be a lion or a tiger?RingoMcCartney wrote:Grrrr!
He got Canada plus and no extension to the transition period.martin_p wrote:Today’s events may help Johnson win a few more seats, but it’s a complete and utter humiliation for Farage. He’s implicitly accepted Johnson’s deal, all those intending to vote for the Brexit Party should remember that, and got absolutely nothing in return from Johnson.
The main reason I am still banging on about Marxism is that whenever I have pointed out that Mcdonnell is a Marxist (nice try with the once said routine btw) people that have suggested Marxism is not bad have also claimed that I have smeared him! I just wish those that like Marxism would embrace it and own it.AndrewJB wrote:How dire is dire? We could be setting in place the process where our planet becomes too hot to host life. The Brexit situation is dire. You’ve claimed some Labour Party members are dangerous because they’re Marxists (I don’t know any now, but those in university were against armed struggle in a democracy - so obviously what a Marxist believes could be a range of things), but what members of this government believe is downright scary. No ideology avowed, but what they’ve said, and what they’ve written. A racist, homophobic, and liar for a PM. In Britannia Unchained (written by four cabinet members and another MP who features as a spokesperson) they describe British workers as lazy, and talk about how our rights need to be curtailed. They are disgraceful, and a danger to our country - but you’d rather bang on about someone once saying they’re Marxist?
We aren’t close to being in as dire a situation as we were after ww2, but at that time it was the same economic plan that Labour propose now that got us out of it.
It's not fair to say that, he probably realises it's too late in the day to broker any other brexit arrangement & the deal now probably represents the best we are going to get, why cut your nose off to spite your face. It means BJ deal should go through when the conservatives stay in power.martin_p wrote:Today’s events may help Johnson win a few more seats, but it’s a complete and utter humiliation for Farage. He’s implicitly accepted Johnson’s deal, all those intending to vote for the Brexit Party should remember that, and got absolutely nothing in return from Johnson.
Again, that is based purely on the word of Boris Johnston.AndyClaret wrote:He got Canada plus and no extension to the transition period.
He’s been saying no extension to transition since he became PM, that’s not a concession! And promising anything on a deal he has yet to negotiate is meaningless. It’s like when he went to the DUP conference last year and promised no border down the Irish Sea!!AndyClaret wrote:He got Canada plus and no extension to the transition period.
Remain alliance: good, principled.Lancasterclaret wrote:By some bizarre coincidence, farage was offered a peerage 48 hours before standing down against Tory MPs.
I'll say one thing for you Brexiteers, you certainly do pick them!
He’ll be able to talk to the lads down the boozer about his new peerage they’ll love it.Lancasterclaret wrote:By some bizarre coincidence, farage was offered a peerage 48 hours before standing down against Tory MPs.
I'll say one thing for you Brexiteers, you certainly do pick them!
Campbell will be on the blower, right now, to Jolyon Maugham.AndyClaret wrote:All the right people, (remainers) are absolutely furious !
Just for balance, what are YOU going do if they do improve? At a guess, you'll cherry-pick every left-wing article you can find to prove yourself right.Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm not sure I can cope with much more of this.
Honestly, what are you all going to do when we leave and things don't magically improve?
Who the hell are you going to blame then?
I’m not sure you know what the word furious means.AndyClaret wrote:Another lefty remainer, absolutely furious !
Oh i do, big remoaner meldown, Lord Farage trending on Twittermartin_p wrote:I’m not sure you know what the word furious means.
If it’s true then there’s certainly something to be furious about.AndyClaret wrote:Oh i do, big remoaner meldown, Lord Farage trending on Twitter
Farage has turned down peerages, at least twice previously ....Lancasterclaret wrote:By some bizarre coincidence, farage was offered a peerage 48 hours before standing down against Tory MPs.
I'll say one thing for you Brexiteers, you certainly do pick them!
Do you think that we could rejoin the EU with the pound, vetoes, no schengen, etc after we left? If not then it seems pretty irreversible.CrosspoolClarets wrote:On the contrary Aggi, what you are missing is that Brexit is far from irreversible, we can re-enter, and doubtless with an offer that lets us keep the pound (with way less influence that now admittedly).
A Corbyn majority government, rather than a coalition, may be temporary but the damage from that would last a generation. Brown and Blair’s excesses took nearly a decade of austerity to sort out. Corbyn is proposing to spend far, far more. The austerity equivalent needed to sort that out will destroy huge chunks of our society. The NHS - gone, as a free benefit. Welfare spending at anything like the current level (still going up after austerity currently) - gone. Minimum wage - gone. Council house provision - large chunks of it gone. All unaffordable when debt repayments are a big chunk of GDP.
I genuinely believe that Corbyn would be the ruin of this country. Russia and others have shown how economies and living standards can collapse. We have to take off the blinkers and get real. This guy and his crew aren’t just socialist - he is a further to the left radical, a dangerous one.
Well done on missing the blatant bribe.AndyClaret wrote:Remain alliance: good, principled.
Leave alliance: Bad, caving in.
Sorry mate, I'm pretty consistent on here with stuff like this.CardyTheClaret wrote:Just for balance, what are YOU going do if they do improve? At a guess, you'll cherry-pick every left-wing article you can find to prove yourself right.