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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:32 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:What is the point in voting for the Brexit Party?

You might as well vote Conservative

That could well be many people’s point of view.

There are still a lot of people who will not vote Tory.

Looks like we will see

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Vino blanco » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:33 pm

It also means they believe in Brexit, and I'm sure they all sleep well at night.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spijed » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:34 pm

Interesting tha not all political commentators can agree as to whether this is good for the Tories.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:36 pm

Vino blanco wrote:It also means they believe in Brexit, and I'm sure they all sleep well at night.
You can believe in Brexit and still vote Labour.

And again, whatever it takes to make them sleep at night.

My sympathy with northern areas that vote for a de facto Conservative candidate and then moan that things are not getting better will be pretty limited.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:40 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Many, many of my mates in Burnley are Labour through and through. They will never vote Conservative but they will vote for the Brexit Party.

There are several meet and greet meetings in Burnley and Padiham with the Brexit Party candidate.
One tonight in burnley at the crooked billet Inn.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:40 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:I see you're still throwing that around, again providing more evidence that you don't read, or choose to ignore what other people write. Funny too that you get in a hissy fit when anyone calls any leave voter a narrow minded little Englander.

Anyway, I digress. Back to your old Polish guy making the ridiculous claim that you have thrown all your weight behind. So you've made up that he fought in the war? I won't dispute that he lived under Soviet rule; in which case he will have witnessed these things:

https://culture.pl/en/article/10-mind-b ... ist-poland" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do you really believe this would be our future if we stayed in the EU? Really?

As I dont know the old gentleman personally, neither do you, given his apparent age, it's fair to assume that he would have fought in the war.

His generation, by and large , did.

You dont like the message he's sending out. As evangelical europhile zealot you dont like it.

Little Europeaners like you see it as heresy.

The old gentleman said, with reference to how he saw the EU developing.

"I have lived in your future. It's not a nice place to be

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:43 pm

The only way Johnson wins a majority is if the Brexit Party stands down. They should get a promise of something to be written in the Tory manifesto and then withdraw all candidates by Thursday.

People can be a bit thick, especially young inexperienced people (I was one of them 30 years ago), and there are a LOT of people who support Corbynomics. Even after disastrous interviews about foreign policy (this morning) by Thornberry, Corbyn could easily be our next PM, and he would then be hard to stop with his purge of top civil servants, letting foreigners and children vote, borrowing on the never never, etc.

The only way he isn't, is if we all pull together to stop him. That means you too Nigel.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:43 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:And what makes you believe this 90+ year-old Pole is suitably well-informed to predict the future development of the EU?
He's more qualified to predict the future of the European union, given he actually lived under the Soviet cosh, than you ever will.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:43 pm

Hi ringo, not sure what's happened there. I asked a question and all you have done is repeated the post I replied to. Must be an issue with your copy/paste function; it's get that looked into, you do use it a lot.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:44 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:And what makes you believe this 90+ year-old Pole is suitably well-informed to predict the future development of the EU?

You had experience of both?. In order to avoid speaking from a position of ignorance and lacking credibility?

Yes or No?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:45 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:The only way Johnson wins a majority is if the Brexit Party stands down. They should get a promise of something to be written in the Tory manifesto and then withdraw all candidates by Thursday.

People can be a bit thick, especially young inexperienced people (I was one of them 30 years ago), and there are a LOT of people who support Corbynomics. Even after disastrous interviews about foreign policy (this morning) by Thornberry, Corbyn could easily be our next PM, and he would then be hard to stop with his purge of top civil servants, letting foreigners and children vote, borrowing on the never never, etc.

The only way he isn't, is if we all pull together to stop him. That means you too Nigel.
I'm not sure I can cope with much more of this.

Honestly, what are you all going to do when we leave and things don't magically improve?

Who the hell are you going to blame then?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:45 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Hi ringo, not sure what's happened there. I asked a question and all you have done is repeated the post I replied to. Must be an issue with your copy/paste function; it's get that looked into, you do use it a lot.

You had experience of both. In order to avoid speaking from a position of ignorance and lacking credibility?

Yes or No?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:47 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:He's more qualified to predict the future of the European union, given he actually lived under the Soviet cosh, than you ever will.
Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning. How are those two things linked?

I watched Burnley under Chris Waddle but that has no bearing on how I think the future will pan out under Sean Dyche.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:51 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:You had experience of both. In order to avoid speaking from a position of ignorance and lacking credibility?

Yes or No?
No, I have not had the experience of either as you are taking about the future of the EU.

So unless you're old Polish guy is also a time-traveller and has lived in the future he is similarly experienced and qualified.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:53 pm

aggi wrote:What you're missing here is that if Brexit goes badly it is irreversible. If "Corbynomics" goes badly it may drag on for a few years but we can vote the party out after 5 years and change things around.
On the contrary Aggi, what you are missing is that Brexit is far from irreversible, we can re-enter, and doubtless with an offer that lets us keep the pound (with way less influence that now admittedly).

A Corbyn majority government, rather than a coalition, may be temporary but the damage from that would last a generation. Brown and Blair’s excesses took nearly a decade of austerity to sort out. Corbyn is proposing to spend far, far more. The austerity equivalent needed to sort that out will destroy huge chunks of our society. The NHS - gone, as a free benefit. Welfare spending at anything like the current level (still going up after austerity currently) - gone. Minimum wage - gone. Council house provision - large chunks of it gone. All unaffordable when debt repayments are a big chunk of GDP.

I genuinely believe that Corbyn would be the ruin of this country. Russia and others have shown how economies and living standards can collapse. We have to take off the blinkers and get real. This guy and his crew aren’t just socialist - he is a further to the left radical, a dangerous one.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:54 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm not sure I can cope with much more of this.

Honestly, what are you all going to do when we leave and things don't magically improve?

Who the hell are you going to blame then?
We won’t be leaving Lancs if Farage stands in every seat. That’s the point.

And if this bunch don’t leave and see us improve, we will vote someone else in who will. That’s democracy.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Damo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:58 pm

I dont think voting for Labour because your grandad worked down the mines is helpful for sleeping at night to be honest

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:58 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:We won’t be leaving Lancs if Farage stands in every seat. That’s the point.

And if this bunch don’t leave and see us improve, we will vote someone else in who will. That’s democracy.
its almost like you are admitting that leaving isn't the "will of the people"

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:59 pm

Damo wrote:I dont think voting for Labour because your grandad worked down the mines is helpful for sleeping at night to be honest
That is a fair point.

But I assume that most people vote labour because they tend to spend more on public services and suchlike.

Its a high risk strategy to assume that the Conservatives under Johnston won't erode that further.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:02 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:No, I have not had the experience of either as you are taking about the future of the EU.

So unless you're old Polish guy is also a time-traveller and has lived in the future he is similarly experienced and qualified.
Ah! So you admit it. Given that youre fortunate never to have lived under the cosh of the soviet union. You are talking from a position of pure ignorance when sat the old polish fella is wrong when he looks at the direction of travel the EU is heading and it looks all too familiar to his concerned eyes!

old polish gentleman that lived under the soviet union cosh, referring to how the EU is going

"I've lived in your future. Its nota nice place to be



I'm retyping that quote cos , as an evangelical EU nationalist zealot and a self confessed Little Europeaner you dont like it!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:05 pm

Conservative candidate in Hartlepool stands down, brexit chairman Richard tice is standing there.

The leave alliance is on !

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:09 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Ah! So you admit it. Given that youre fortunate never to have lived under the cosh of the soviet union. You are talking from a position of pure ignorance when sat the old polish fella is wrong when he looks at the direction of travel the EU is heading and it looks all too familiar to his concerned eyes!

old polish gentleman that lived under the soviet union cosh, referring to how the EU is going

"I've lived in your future. Its nota nice place to be



I'm retyping that quote cos , as an evangelical EU nationalist zealot and a self confessed Little Europeaner you dont like it!
Or because you made it up (still no link).

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spijed » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:10 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Conservative candidate in Hartlepool stands down, brexit chairman Richard tice is standing there.

The leave alliance is on !
One thing I find odd is that I thought Boris Johnson wanted a majority to govern for five years.

Has he now admitted that it's no longer possible for the Conservatives to get a majority?

They'll be shafted at the next election if Brexit gets sorted before then.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:11 pm

Today’s events may help Johnson win a few more seats, but it’s a complete and utter humiliation for Farage. He’s implicitly accepted Johnson’s deal, all those intending to vote for the Brexit Party should remember that, and got absolutely nothing in return from Johnson.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:11 pm

The left really really are blinkered arent they!

They will fly in the face of reality even if makes then look totally ridiculous!

You see it on s regular basis from all the lefties on here!

A Labour MP from liverpool has been found to have been singing the Beatles, Hey Jude. But in an another anti semitic rant from labour he altered the words to Hey Jews.

Rather than hold their hands up and condemn him, the Left wing website Squawk box, has come running to his aid and blamed it on the journalist who reported the incident on "not understanding his scouse accent!

:lol: :lol:




"CARDEN’S CATEGORIC DENIAL OF RIDICULOUS CLAIMS SHOWS – AT BEST – JOURNOS’ INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND SCOUSE ACCENT"


"The claims were always unrealistic, given the setting in which the words were supposedly sung. Stretching charitability to its absolute limit, the claims are the idiocy of some southern corporate journalist failing to understand the Scouse accent in a noisy bus."

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/11/09/carden ... se-accent/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;










Now, if we only had a version the song Hey Jude, sung by a scouser , for reference, to compare it to what the anti semitic scouser said!!!


:lol:
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spijed » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:12 pm

Wayne Bayley the Brexit candidate in Crawley is not happy. He's just told Nigel and Boris to shove it!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:13 pm

martin_p wrote:Or because you made it up (still no link).

Grrrr!


:lol:

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spijed » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:13 pm

martin_p wrote:Today’s events may help Johnson win a few more seats, but it’s a complete and utter humiliation for Farage. He’s implicitly accepted Johnson’s deal, all those intending to vote for the Brexit Party should remember that, and got absolutely nothing in return from Johnson.
John Curtice:

We perhaps should not exaggerate how important this is. It is the Liberal Democrat/Conservative contests where the Tories might be helped out. But in the crucial Conservative/Labour ones, so far at least, Mr Farage is not offering the Conservatives any direct help.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:14 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Ah! So you admit it. Given that youre fortunate never to have lived under the cosh of the soviet union. You are talking from a position of pure ignorance when sat the old polish fella is wrong when he looks at the direction of travel the EU is heading and it looks all too familiar to his concerned eyes!

old polish gentleman that lived under the soviet union cosh, referring to how the EU is going

"I've lived in your future. Its nota nice place to be



I'm retyping that quote cos , as an evangelical EU nationalist zealot and a self confessed Little Europeaner you dont like it!
More evidence of not reading from ringo but hardly surprising. Where have I said he is wrong? I just wondered how well informed he is on the future direction of the EU.

I'll let the "evangelical EU nationalist zealot and a self confessed Little Europeaner" thing slide from now on as well. You're obviously very pleased with it and I wouldn't like to take that from you.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:15 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Grrrr!


:lol:
Are you supposed to be a lion or a tiger?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:21 pm

martin_p wrote:Today’s events may help Johnson win a few more seats, but it’s a complete and utter humiliation for Farage. He’s implicitly accepted Johnson’s deal, all those intending to vote for the Brexit Party should remember that, and got absolutely nothing in return from Johnson.
He got Canada plus and no extension to the transition period.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by android » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:22 pm

AndrewJB wrote:How dire is dire? We could be setting in place the process where our planet becomes too hot to host life. The Brexit situation is dire. You’ve claimed some Labour Party members are dangerous because they’re Marxists (I don’t know any now, but those in university were against armed struggle in a democracy - so obviously what a Marxist believes could be a range of things), but what members of this government believe is downright scary. No ideology avowed, but what they’ve said, and what they’ve written. A racist, homophobic, and liar for a PM. In Britannia Unchained (written by four cabinet members and another MP who features as a spokesperson) they describe British workers as lazy, and talk about how our rights need to be curtailed. They are disgraceful, and a danger to our country - but you’d rather bang on about someone once saying they’re Marxist?

We aren’t close to being in as dire a situation as we were after ww2, but at that time it was the same economic plan that Labour propose now that got us out of it.
The main reason I am still banging on about Marxism is that whenever I have pointed out that Mcdonnell is a Marxist (nice try with the once said routine btw) people that have suggested Marxism is not bad have also claimed that I have smeared him! I just wish those that like Marxism would embrace it and own it.

Anyway, if the comrades gain power, it does not matter whether they call their change of system socialism, Marxism or communism. I prefer our capitalist system, which has been incredibly successful here and elsewhere.

Thanks to dsr and Paul Waine for quickly pointing out some of the many variables that debunk the idiotic 130k deaths claim. And I'm sure you have your reasons for maintaining that Johnson's lies matter more than Corbyn's lies but "racist" and "homophobic"? Dear oh dear, it's just not worth engaging with that.

Hopefully I can take a back seat now as the Farage announcement has taken centre stage...
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:23 pm

martin_p wrote:Today’s events may help Johnson win a few more seats, but it’s a complete and utter humiliation for Farage. He’s implicitly accepted Johnson’s deal, all those intending to vote for the Brexit Party should remember that, and got absolutely nothing in return from Johnson.
It's not fair to say that, he probably realises it's too late in the day to broker any other brexit arrangement & the deal now probably represents the best we are going to get, why cut your nose off to spite your face. It means BJ deal should go through when the conservatives stay in power.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:24 pm

AndyClaret wrote:He got Canada plus and no extension to the transition period.
Again, that is based purely on the word of Boris Johnston.

And again, there is no evidence that that is worth anything at all.

He was going to win no seats, and his ego couldn't take it.

He's a charlatan who has fooled millions that he gave a **** about them.

The only good thing to come out of these last three years is that today marks the end of Farage, and that is a good thing.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:36 pm

AndyClaret wrote:He got Canada plus and no extension to the transition period.
He’s been saying no extension to transition since he became PM, that’s not a concession! And promising anything on a deal he has yet to negotiate is meaningless. It’s like when he went to the DUP conference last year and promised no border down the Irish Sea!!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:44 pm

All the right people, (remainers) are absolutely furious !
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Post by AndyClaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:49 pm

Another lefty remainer, absolutely furious !
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:58 pm

By some bizarre coincidence, farage was offered a peerage 48 hours before standing down against Tory MPs.

I'll say one thing for you Brexiteers, you certainly do pick them!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:59 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:By some bizarre coincidence, farage was offered a peerage 48 hours before standing down against Tory MPs.

I'll say one thing for you Brexiteers, you certainly do pick them!
Remain alliance: good, principled.
Leave alliance: Bad, caving in.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:04 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:By some bizarre coincidence, farage was offered a peerage 48 hours before standing down against Tory MPs.

I'll say one thing for you Brexiteers, you certainly do pick them!
He’ll be able to talk to the lads down the boozer about his new peerage they’ll love it.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:06 pm

AndyClaret wrote:All the right people, (remainers) are absolutely furious !
Campbell will be on the blower, right now, to Jolyon Maugham.

"Farage is standing aside! We need you to challenge this in the Scottish Courts , or something! Get the crowd funding going!"
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by CardyTheClaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:09 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm not sure I can cope with much more of this.

Honestly, what are you all going to do when we leave and things don't magically improve?

Who the hell are you going to blame then?
Just for balance, what are YOU going do if they do improve? At a guess, you'll cherry-pick every left-wing article you can find to prove yourself right.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:20 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Another lefty remainer, absolutely furious !
I’m not sure you know what the word furious means.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:22 pm

martin_p wrote:I’m not sure you know what the word furious means.
Oh i do, big remoaner meldown, Lord Farage trending on Twitter :lol: :lol:

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:29 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Oh i do, big remoaner meldown, Lord Farage trending on Twitter :lol: :lol:
If it’s true then there’s certainly something to be furious about.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Clarets4me » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:By some bizarre coincidence, farage was offered a peerage 48 hours before standing down against Tory MPs.
I'll say one thing for you Brexiteers, you certainly do pick them!
Farage has turned down peerages, at least twice previously ....

I know you're not a " dyed in the wool " Labour man, Lancs, at least not under Corbyn but one peerage Corbyn has recommended was for Shami Chakrabarti, who, oddly enough, had just completed a Labour report, clearing the party of " Institutional anti-semitism " ...
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Dy1geo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:10 pm

As well as not fielding candidates in the 317 seats which elected a Tory in 2017, the Brexit party are not fielding a candidate in Brecon the seat the Lib Dem’s won in a by -election recently.

By 4pm on Thursday I can envisage them standing in only about 100 seats, basically the ones where the Tory brand is seen as “Toxic” such as Salford, Barnsley, Sunderland testing the Labour loyalty in Leave areas. On the flip side the Tories will only run “notional” campaigns in those seats.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by aggi » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:18 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:On the contrary Aggi, what you are missing is that Brexit is far from irreversible, we can re-enter, and doubtless with an offer that lets us keep the pound (with way less influence that now admittedly).

A Corbyn majority government, rather than a coalition, may be temporary but the damage from that would last a generation. Brown and Blair’s excesses took nearly a decade of austerity to sort out. Corbyn is proposing to spend far, far more. The austerity equivalent needed to sort that out will destroy huge chunks of our society. The NHS - gone, as a free benefit. Welfare spending at anything like the current level (still going up after austerity currently) - gone. Minimum wage - gone. Council house provision - large chunks of it gone. All unaffordable when debt repayments are a big chunk of GDP.

I genuinely believe that Corbyn would be the ruin of this country. Russia and others have shown how economies and living standards can collapse. We have to take off the blinkers and get real. This guy and his crew aren’t just socialist - he is a further to the left radical, a dangerous one.
Do you think that we could rejoin the EU with the pound, vetoes, no schengen, etc after we left? If not then it seems pretty irreversible.

You seem to be neglecting a global financial crisis in your analysis. Were Blair and Brown in charge of Spain for instance and caused the ghost towns and huge rise in unemployment? Ignoring that robs your analysis of any credibility.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:20 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Remain alliance: good, principled.
Leave alliance: Bad, caving in.
Well done on missing the blatant bribe.

You lot will ignore anything as long as you get your Brexit.

What could possibly go wrong with that kind of politics eh?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:21 pm

CardyTheClaret wrote:Just for balance, what are YOU going do if they do improve? At a guess, you'll cherry-pick every left-wing article you can find to prove yourself right.
Sorry mate, I'm pretty consistent on here with stuff like this.

I leave the blatant one sided reporting to Andy and Ringo

And I leave the made up economic stuff to Crosspool and Dsr
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