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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:22 pm

Clarets4me wrote:Farage has turned down peerages, at least twice previously ....

I know you're not a " dyed in the wool " Labour man, Lancs, at least not under Corbyn but one peerage Corbyn has recommended was for Shami Chakrabarti, who, oddly enough, had just completed a Labour report, clearing the party of " Institutional anti-semitism " ...
And now we have the "Whataboutery"

Brexit Bingo card filled in three posts.

Cheers all!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by aggi » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:22 pm

dsr wrote:That depends on whether the EU, in principle, wants free trade or not. The EU is traditionally protectionist and tends to be opposed to free trade except with their own borders. If that continues, and they decide the political aspect of free trade outweighs the financial benefits, then there won't be an agreement. But if the EU wants free trade, the rest is just detail and should be resolved relatively easily.
So you're expecting the EU to fold.

Free trade agreements commonly contain terms beyond basic trade. Look at the EU-Canada deal or the North American Trade Agreement as examples. Saying it is just detail and should be resolved relatively easily is just wishful thinking.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:26 pm

Essentially people are realising that if its a Brexit hard enough for Nigel Farage, then its not going to be a soft Brexit.

That could have an impact on how people vote as well.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:27 pm

Some grumpy remoaners about this afternoon!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Greenmile » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:56 pm

android wrote:The main reason I am still banging on about Marxism is that whenever I have pointed out that Mcdonnell is a Marxist (nice try with the once said routine btw) people that have suggested Marxism is not bad have also claimed that I have smeared him! I just wish those that like Marxism would embrace it and own it.

Anyway, if the comrades gain power, it does not matter whether they call their change of system socialism, Marxism or communism. I prefer our capitalist system, which has been incredibly successful here and elsewhere.

Thanks to dsr and Paul Waine for quickly pointing out some of the many variables that debunk the idiotic 130k deaths claim. And I'm sure you have your reasons for maintaining that Johnson's lies matter more than Corbyn's lies but "racist" and "homophobic"? Dear oh dear, it's just not worth engaging with that.

Hopefully I can take a back seat now as the Farage announcement has taken centre stage...
Is that because he doesn’t self-identify as a racist homophobe (and therefore can’t possibly be one) or just because you don’t care about his racism and homophobia?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by dsr » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:00 pm

aggi wrote:So you're expecting the EU to fold.
No I'm not.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:12 pm

dsr wrote:No I'm not.
Then does that mean you expect a "No Deal" in 2020?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by dsr » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:16 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Then does that mean you expect a "No Deal" in 2020?
I think there is every chance. If I was in charge of the EU, then no, because I'm a free trade advocate. So is Boris Johnson. The EU, I believe, is not.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by If it be your will » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:24 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You can believe in Brexit and still vote Labour.
Legally, you can, yes.

It'll be immensely hard work, though.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:28 pm

dsr wrote:I think there is every chance. If I was in charge of the EU, then no, because I'm a free trade advocate. So is Boris Johnson. The EU, I believe, is not.
Yeah well, we could argue about that all day!

Still, its basically a "No Deal" versus "Remain" election then.

If only there was another way of doing that.............

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by LoveCurryPies » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:40 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:.....the end of Farage is nigh.
That will be Lord Farage, UK Ambassador to Washington that you are referring to. :lol:
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:49 pm

dsr wrote:I think there is every chance. If I was in charge of the EU, then no, because I'm a free trade advocate. So is Boris Johnson. The EU, I believe, is not.
What I don’t understand is how you think the protectionist Donald Trump is going to give us a free trade deal on our terms when you conclude (rightly) that the protectionist EU won’t.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:59 pm

Tories now 1/2 on for a majority.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by CardyTheClaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:00 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Sorry mate, I'm pretty consistent on here with stuff like this.

I leave the blatant one sided reporting to Andy and Ringo

And I leave the made up economic stuff to Crosspool and Dsr
Not as far as I can see, you don’t. You’re just as entrenched in you views as the posters you’ve mentioned.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:04 pm

CardyTheClaret wrote:Not as far as I can see, you don’t. You’re just as entrenched in you views as the posters you’ve mentioned.
I think I'm fairer than that

But I've realised as this whole **** show has gone on that a lot of people can't see past big bold pronouncements and those now trump (an apt phrase) reality.

With the absolute exception of Ringo, every leave poster is perfectly capable of thinking and analysing information, but if it comes back with anything that isn't pro-Brexit, its ignored.

I can't think of anything quite like it in politics to be honest.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by LoveCurryPies » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:10 pm

I’m wondering at what price Farage has done this.

At first I thought it was a Knighthood or Lordship, but now fearing it’s No-Deal pact.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndrewJB » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:17 pm

Dy1geo wrote:As well as not fielding candidates in the 317 seats which elected a Tory in 2017, the Brexit party are not fielding a candidate in Brecon the seat the Lib Dem’s won in a by -election recently.

By 4pm on Thursday I can envisage them standing in only about 100 seats, basically the ones where the Tory brand is seen as “Toxic” such as Salford, Barnsley, Sunderland testing the Labour loyalty in Leave areas. On the flip side the Tories will only run “notional” campaigns in those seats.
So a vote for the Brexit Party is basically a vote for the Tory Party, and a vote for a Tory Brexit, is a vote for a hard brexit. Anyone wanting a soft Brexit will have to turn to Labour.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:23 pm

AndrewJB wrote:So a vote for the Brexit Party is basically a vote for the Tory Party, and a vote for a Tory Brexit, is a vote for a hard brexit. Anyone wanting a soft Brexit will have to turn to Labour.
Come of it Andrew.

Anyone wanted anything other than a "Hard Brexit" has to vote for whichever party has the best chance of stopping a Tory MP.

Pretty sure now I'm voting lab up here, rather than Lib Dem.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by android » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:36 pm

Greenmile wrote:Is that because he doesn’t self-identify as a racist homophobe (and therefore can’t possibly be one) or just because you don’t care about his racism and homophobia?
Don't worry Greenmile, if you were born male and now identify as female, it will not change my opinion of your political acumen.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:36 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Tories now 1/2 on for a majority.
5 more weeks for you to post the latest polls and bookies odds exciting times!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:45 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:I’m wondering at what price Farage has done this.

At first I thought it was a Knighthood or Lordship, but now fearing it’s No-Deal pact.
Boris may have offered him that but let's not pretend that Boris sticks to his word.

The only way Farage can guarantee any influence over the deal is in a hung parliament where BP prop up the tories

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spiral » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:51 pm

dsr wrote:I think there is every chance. If I was in charge of the EU, then no, because I'm a free trade advocate. So is Boris Johnson. The EU, I believe, is not.
The European Union, whose antecedent organisation, the European Economic Community, which was established by the treaty of Rome with the express aim of integrating economies by liberalising trade and establishing a set of rules to remove barriers to trade, does not advocate free trade? You actually typed this, yes? This was not a typo? The organisation which instituted the most comprehensive free market in human history does not advocate free trade?
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spiral » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:12 pm

Ignore that it's the New European (not even I read that), ignore James O'Brien's smugness, (Edit-a word) ignore the editorial slant, just look at the info: The BXP candidate for Pendle (or at least a man claiming to be) called in to LBC to express his frustration at being stood down. He lost his £100 fee to Nigel (along with 3000 other prospective candidates) but the story here is the revolution eating itself, in part on account of the caprice of a conman.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-6369723" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spiral » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:26 pm

Bear in mind when casting a ballot in Burnley that there's absolutely no democratic accountability within the Brexit Party. There's no membership, no executive committee, and the only people with the power to hold him to account are the board which Farage himself selects. He can't be removed and wields near-total power over the party, so better get used to this kind of bull$hit if the BXP have any electoral success. It'd be interesting to hear the thoughts of anyone in Pendle who was going to vote BXP.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:30 pm

Spiral wrote:Ignore that it's the New European (not even I read that), ignore James O'Brien's smugness, (Edit-a word) ignore the editorial slant, just look at the info: The BXP candidate for Pendle (or at least a man claiming to be) called in to LBC to express his frustration at being stood down. He lost his £100 fee to Nigel (along with 3000 other prospective candidates) but the story here is the revolution eating itself, in part on account of the caprice of a conman.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-6369723" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I can confirm it was actually him, he messaged the BP what’s app group saying he had been on LBC.

He was upset.

But he is now fully behind helping Stewart in Burnley.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spiral » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:37 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:I can confirm it was actually him, he messaged the BP what’s app group saying he had been on LBC.

He was upset.

But he is now fully behind helping Stewart in Burnley.
Where does it leave voters in Pendle, though? For what it's worth one could easily cast the same aspersions on LD/Green/Plaid alliances around the country, but I'd argue those parties' interests are slightly more ideologically aligned. It's difficult to gauge BXP ideology beyond Brexit so they might fall literally anywhere between Con and Lab on any given agenda. What do you do if you hate Corbyn but also hate Conservative economic ideology, or more plainly posh entitled tw@ts?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:46 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:I can confirm it was actually him, he messaged the BP what’s app group saying he had been on LBC.

He was upset.

But he is now fully behind helping Stewart in Burnley.
So he’s behind Johnson’s deal then?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Darthlaw » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:55 pm

Spiral wrote:What do you do if you hate Corbyn but also hate Conservative economic ideology
Join the rest of us in the (unrepresented) middle ground?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spiral » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:11 pm

But honestly, what do they do, abstain? Spoil their ballot? Pick a least-worst option? Looking at the Pendle results of 2015 compared to 2017, Cons increased vote share by 1.8% in 2017, UKIP's 12.2% vote share from 2015 being spread around after failing to field a candidate, but the biggest increase went to Labour who gained 11.2% and, while losing the election, reduced Stephenson's majority by 8.5% to give him a 2.8% majority. I'm not being a partisan hack and Labour obviously still lost, but I say all this to draw attention to the numbers. A Brexit party (not necessarily the Brexit party of today) appears to split Labour in Pendle. Now, I'm not a political scientist, and without a detailed break down of the data it's difficult to draw exact conclusions, and impossible to make predictions, but it does look as though the Cons base is reliably secure at around 21-22,000 while Labour benefitted in 2017 to a much greater degree than the Cons by not facing UKIP/Farage. "Workington man" looks damn near mythological, in Pendle at least.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Erasmus » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:20 pm

Android, I find it strange that you keep 'banging on' about Marxism after you said that you don't really know what Marxism is. All you have given is MacDonnell's apparent claim that he is a Marxist, alongside which we also have his claim that he is a Social Democrat. The fact that Labour Party policies are not Marxist is of no importance because they must be some kind of trick to hide the Marxism that lurks beneath.

Are you imagining that if the Labour Party is elected they will then impose a one party state? This would certainly be the Marxist line as a stage in the transition to communism. All this solely on the evidence of a statement of self-identity that has since been contradicted? It's really a bit thin isn't it? And a bit conspiracy theoryish.

And I am not a Marxist and have no sympathy with Marxism because the flaws in Marxist political and cultural theory are so apparent. I also don't like Trump being called a Fascist because he isn't so far as his record to date indicates. It just strikes me as silly to argue in this way without thoroughly understanding the terms being bandied about.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Mala591 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:28 pm

So, the Brexit Party will be 'campaigning against' the Conservatives in 300+ seats.The overall effect of this will be to split the leave vote and allow Labour and the Lib Dems to win more seats.

If we end up with a Labour/SNP coalition government then the Brexit Party will be to blame.

Twenty five years of Nigel Farage's life wasted. The ultimate political irony...

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:36 pm

Darthlaw wrote:Join the rest of us in the (unrepresented) middle ground?
Too late for this election, but at least after 12th December Jeremy will hopefully be gone. Who replaces him could be the most important decision the Labour Party ever make. If it doesn't move towards the centre ground they may never come back.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Bfcboyo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:40 pm

If it be your will wrote:Legally, you can, yes.

It'll be immensely hard work, though.
I have only ever voted labour. This is the first time I wont as the leader is totally out of touch with historic core labour values.

I am now torn between a puppet and mirage. Personally this town being what it is will vote for Brexit and tactically I will vote with the mindless masses and vote for the Brexit Party.

A sad state of affairs voting a government in over Brexits outcome. It should have been done and dusted by now but for the sheer will of the remainers.

At least Julie Cooper will not be representing us going forwards.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spijed » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:46 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Too late for this election, but at least after 12th December Jeremy will hopefully be gone. Who replaces him could be the most important decision the Labour Party ever make. If it doesn't move towards the centre ground they may never come back.
Not true. The Conservatives looked like they were obliterated in 1997 but they survived, and so will Labour!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spiral » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:47 pm

Mala591 wrote:So, the Brexit Party will be 'campaigning against' the Conservatives in 300+ seats.The overall effect of this will be to split the leave vote and allow Labour and the Lib Dems to win more seats.

If we end up with a Labour/SNP coalition government then the Brexit Party will be to blame.

Twenty five years of Nigel Farage's life wasted. The ultimate political irony...
332 or there about by my reckoning, with the aim or collapsing the Labour vote in a minority of their 240-odd seats. The Tories are on -13 seats before polling day because they've essentially lost Scotland wholly. Those losses, combined with the loss of the DUP, mean they need to eek out 23 constituencies in the North at a minimum just to break even, and all without their hard line stance and pact with Farage inflicting fatal wounds on Con-held Lab/Con marginals like Pendle, and Con/LD marginals in the south. Difficult task, but not impossible. I've been saying since September, however, weeks before the election was called, that Johnson is going to blow it, in spite of the current positive national polling. If I were a mug and had to make a prediction, I'd go with stasis.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spijed » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:48 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:I have only ever voted labour. This is the first time I wont as the leader is totally out of touch with historic core labour values.

I am now torn between a puppet and mirage. Personally this town being what it is will vote for Brexit and tactically I will vote with the mindless masses and vote for the Brexit Party.

A sad state of affairs voting a government in over Brexits outcome. It should have been done and dusted by now but for the sheer will of the remainers.

At least Julie Cooper will not be representing us going forwards.
If there is more pressure applied to Farage tomorrow and withdraws all candidates where the Tories are trying to win who will you vote for?

I'd think most would simply revert back to Labour.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spiral » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:54 pm

Spijed wrote:If there is more pressure applied to Farage tomorrow and withdraws all candidates where the Tories are trying to win who will you vote for?

I'd think most would simply revert back to Labour.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if Farage rolls back to just 30/40 marginals. He's been ludicrously successful at acting as a right-wing pressure group and has changed the course of the Tory party, why would he undo all his hard work now?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:59 pm

Mala591 wrote:So, the Brexit Party will be 'campaigning against' the Conservatives in 300+ seats.The overall effect of this will be to split the leave vote and allow Labour and the Lib Dems to win more seats.

If we end up with a Labour/SNP coalition government then the Brexit Party will be to blame.

Twenty five years of Nigel Farage's life wasted. The ultimate political irony...
You keep banging that Tory drum Mala.

It won't make any difference in Burnley.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:01 pm

Spijed wrote:If there is more pressure applied to Farage tomorrow and withdraws all candidates where the Tories are trying to win who will you vote for?

I'd think most would simply revert back to Labour.
I wouldn't vote.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:02 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:I have only ever voted labour. This is the first time I wont as the leader is totally out of touch with historic core labour values.

I am now torn between a puppet and mirage. Personally this town being what it is will vote for Brexit and tactically I will vote with the mindless masses and vote for the Brexit Party.

A sad state of affairs voting a government in over Brexits outcome. It should have been done and dusted by now but for the sheer will of the remainers.

At least Julie Cooper will not be representing us going forwards.
Which core values is Corbyn specifically out of touch with?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Bfcboyo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:25 pm

Spijed wrote:If there is more pressure applied to Farage tomorrow and withdraws all candidates where the Tories are trying to win who will you vote for?

I'd think most would simply revert back to Labour.
Unfortunately not. It has become a ridiculous Brexit election.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Bfcboyo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:29 pm

martin_p wrote:Which core values is Corbyn specifically out of touch with?
Labour- working class party for the northern engines union people's party. Go against your backers at your peril.

Blunt enough?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:31 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:Labour- working class party for the northern engines union people's party. Go against your backers at your peril.

Blunt enough?
Blunt, but not an answer to the question about values.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by android » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:40 pm

Erasmus wrote:Android, I find it strange that you keep 'banging on' about Marxism after you said that you don't really know what Marxism is. All you have given is MacDonnell's apparent claim that he is a Marxist, alongside which we also have his claim that he is a Social Democrat. The fact that Labour Party policies are not Marxist is of no importance because they must be some kind of trick to hide the Marxism that lurks beneath.

Are you imagining that if the Labour Party is elected they will then impose a one party state? This would certainly be the Marxist line as a stage in the transition to communism. All this solely on the evidence of a statement of self-identity that has since been contradicted? It's really a bit thin isn't it? And a bit conspiracy theoryish.

And I am not a Marxist and have no sympathy with Marxism because the flaws in Marxist political and cultural theory are so apparent. I also don't like Trump being called a Fascist because he isn't so far as his record to date indicates. It just strikes me as silly to argue in this way without thoroughly understanding the terms being bandied about.
Oh Erasmus, you are still saying things like an "apparent" claim or "sole" evidence as though Mcdonnell's Marxism was a shock revelation! He has a long term passion for Marx and he has been asked about it numerous times. More recently he has preferred to call himself a Socialist and down played the Marxism a little but without outright denying it - he would not go as far as to say he is not a Marxist in the interviews that I have seen. He seems to be pursuing a bit of a mix and match strategy - both Marxist and Socialist. Sorry there are no conspiracy theories for you but I think it is fair to say that you, Andrew JB and Mcdonnell have different ideas on what constitutes a Marxist. I would be grateful if you lefties could sort that out between yourselves now and leave me out of it!

In a recent interview in the context of Labour policies Mcdonnell said this "it's what's achievable in terms of keeping people with us and bringing people with us...what we don't want to be is in a situation where we undermine the support we need to get into government". At this stage it is about getting power.

I truly am bored with this now and I suspect anyone still reading this is as well.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by dermotdermot » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:42 pm

I’ve voted Labour all my life, except for the last time, but, this time, I hope that they get voted into oblivion and that we can finally see the back of Corbyn. I say this because of how incredibly stupid they’ve been to have allowed this takeover to occur. When asked about whether or not it was worth it, after losing the 2015 election, an aide of Miliband’s said, ‘Well yes, because at least we had a go’. Well this time they really will have ‘had a go’. The Labour Party will never ever recover from allowing this **** stirring subversive to be their leader.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:50 pm

Spijed wrote:If there is more pressure applied to Farage tomorrow and withdraws all candidates where the Tories are trying to win who will you vote for?

I'd think most would simply revert back to Labour.
Fair play to it for getting on the news but all that has happened is that the party that is literally five minutes old and had never stood anywhere before in a General Election decided not to stand in half of this one.

Rumour has it that Farage has been offered a Lordship and candidates from his own party are saying there has been a backroom deal.

Only about a month away now, very exciting :D

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by dsr » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:00 pm

Spiral wrote:The European Union, whose antecedent organisation, the European Economic Community, which was established by the treaty of Rome with the express aim of integrating economies by liberalising trade and establishing a set of rules to remove barriers to trade, does not advocate free trade? You actually typed this, yes? This was not a typo? The organisation which instituted the most comprehensive free market in human history does not advocate free trade?
The EU free market, in terms of population, is vastly smaller than the Indian and Chinese free markets; in terms of size of economy, it is smaller than the USA free market. So it isn't the most comprehensive free market in human history. The EU is a single political entity which has free trade within its own borders, like virtually every other political entity in the world.

What they do not encourage is free trade outside their own borders. In that, they are protectionist, not free traders.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by dsr » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:03 pm

martin_p wrote:What I don’t understand is how you think the protectionist Donald Trump is going to give us a free trade deal on our terms when you conclude (rightly) that the protectionist EU won’t.
What I don't understand is why you think that I think Donald Trump will give us a free trade deal at all. I certainly don't think he will give us a deal on our terms - negotiations don't work that way - but I don't remember ever saying that he would give us a deal even on mutually agreed terms. He might, or he might not. It's impossible to tell from one day to the next what his policy will be.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:07 pm

Still think people are underpricing the tendency of people to vote for the red rosette, not the person wearing it.

My MP is Jared O’Mara for heaven’s sake, that is living proof.

Labour will get over 200 seats, Lib Dems will get over 50, SNP similar. It will be close.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Bfcboyo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:16 pm

martin_p wrote:Blunt, but not an answer to the question about values.
Core values being a party for the majority of the working class people, a party that works for them and delivers what they want in parliment. What are you missing? I will not be led into the gallows by your questions , make your own assumptions from never never land on what I suggest . You have my answer and you no what it means.

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