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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spijed » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:01 pm

dermotdermot wrote:I think that you’re making rather lame excuses for Corbyn who is, quite clearly, trying to portray himself as this calm, softly spoken rational man of late but is, in truth, the exact opposite.
Do you think Boris Johnson looked composed walking around parts of the areas that were flooded?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:28 pm

Spijed wrote:Do you think Boris Johnson looked composed walking around parts of the areas that were flooded?
Did he run away like Jezza ?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:29 pm

martin_p wrote:You won’t find Johnson running away, mainly because he seems to be hiding and only doing very controlled press conferences and meeting vetted members of the public. He’s in some of the Yorkshire flood areas today but has refused all interviews with local media v
Really ? why have i seen him being given a hard time by locals on the news channels then ?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Rick_Muller » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:29 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Did he run away like Jezza ?
Was he meeting the public or was he shaking hands with a controlled set of individuals to promote the Tory propaganda machine...?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:31 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Did he run away like Jezza ?
He ducked out the back door in Luxemburg to dodge a press conference cos he was scared of getting boo'd - what a guy!!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:48 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Really ? why have i seen him being given a hard time by locals on the news channels then ?
Since the start of the election campaign?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:49 pm

martin_p wrote:Since the start of the election campaign?
Today.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/ ... 9846946817" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:49 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Was he meeting the public or was he shaking hands with a controlled set of individuals to promote the Tory propaganda machine...?
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/ ... 9846946817" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Rick_Muller » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:54 pm

So, he was shaking hands with controlled people for the Tory propaganda machine whilst a lady intervened and spoke the truth, thanks for highlighting that

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by dsr » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:56 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:He ducked out the back door in Luxemburg to dodge a press conference cos he was scared of getting boo'd - what a guy!!
I have a suspicion that if the UK government set up a press conference for Corbyn with a crowd of Brexiteers as spectators, Corbyn wouldn't turn up either.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:02 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:So, he was shaking hands with controlled people for the Tory propaganda machine whilst a lady intervened and spoke the truth, thanks for highlighting that
Here's more carefully stage managed photo opportunities.

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1194592831479963649" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:10 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Here's more carefully stage managed photo opportunities.

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1194592831479963649" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Andy’s scoured the internet and posted some evidence! Fair play, I was wrong.

Mind you, surprised it’s taken you so long to post these, you managed to get the Corbyn one up a full eleven minutes after it went on Twitter. But glad you’ve finally provided some much needed balance ;)
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:21 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Here's more carefully stage managed photo opportunities.

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1194592831479963649" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Have you read the posts underneath?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:43 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Not being a racist means treating people of all races similarly, both in political decisions and generally in terms of respect. People are defined by what they do, not what race they are born into. Jews are not technically a separate race, hence the term antisemite, but it is as though they are in terms of this issue.

Can anyone honestly say equal treatment and respect applies to Corbyn? He has spent his life arguing against oppression, but only when it is the poor being oppressed. You cannot be selective on this issue.

Yesterday 50 Hamas missiles rained down on Tel Aviv from Gaza. I saw a clip of a missile bomb a road, missing two cars by what looked like inches. Where was Corbyn criticising that? Come to think of it, I haven't seen it on our news either. He was too busy on Twitter supporting the Bolivian tyrant who was deposed as leader.

The Jewish Chronicle seem to have a clear view of him. He is terrifying.

https://www.thejc.com/comment/leaders/t ... s-1.491812
Apart from brief periods of revenge for long periods of oppression (as we saw with the cull of aristocrats after the French Revolution), its always the poor being oppressed by the wealthy.

As for Corbyn he always stands against violence by either side.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:47 pm

dsr wrote:I have a suspicion that if the UK government set up a press conference for Corbyn with a crowd of Brexiteers as spectators, Corbyn wouldn't turn up either.
I couldn't tell you but not sure what your make believe scenario has to do with things. Remember that Johnson was the Govt so he effectively set it up for himself and then ducked out cos there were some British people want to make their feelings clear about him and his Brexit policy.

Which ever way you spin it if you're gonna have a go for Corbyn for doing a runner then you're gonna have to tar Johnson with the same brush

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:12 pm

Every day the attempts to make Johnston look vaguely Prime ministerial fail spectacularly, and every day the ability of certain posters to ignore his complete unsuitability for the role increases by an equally spectacular amount.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:12 pm

martin_p wrote:So when you say ‘community’ you actually mean the individual who wasn’t selected as Labour candidate.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Rick_Muller » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:30 pm

AndyClaret wrote:.
you have to be careful with statistics... this also means that up to 50% of Indians DIDN'T vote Labour whilst living in the UK... I'm also curious as to why it is necessary to mention which country they lived in whilst voting in UK elections, but that's another story I'm sure.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by dsr » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:29 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Remember that Johnson was the Govt so he effectively set it up for himself ...
This planned press conference was in Luxembourg. Boris Johnson isn't the government when he is in Luxembourg.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by tiger76 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:50 pm

Let's not hear anymore about feminism from Labour after endorsing this candidate https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50402328

And a safe seat to boot :roll: so he's virtually certain to be elected.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spijed » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:10 pm

Lewis Goodall
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Farage confirms he will not be standing down in Tory target seats. BXP irritated that has been no reciprocity. Could make all the difference.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:14 pm

dsr wrote:This planned press conference was in Luxembourg. Boris Johnson isn't the government when he is in Luxembourg.
Who planned it then?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spijed » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:53 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:The difference is that Johnson throws casual comments around which could be offensive
If you don't think Johnson's comments are racist then questions have to be asked about your own views on racism.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by dsr » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:59 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Who planned it then?
Who would you expect to plan a government press conference in Luxembourg? The government, of course. The Luxembourg government, in case there is any doubt. Which isn't Boris Johnson.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:12 pm

Farage to vote Tory ?

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status ... 7348311040" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:18 pm

This thread is comedy gold

"You see that racist over there? "

"Oh god no, we hate racists"

"But he backs Brexit?"

"Really? Well, I'm sure he's just been misquoted and its all virtue signalling at the end of the day eh?"
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:20 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Farage to vote Tory ?

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status ... 7348311040" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Oh dear, how embarrassing! What must his remaining candidates be thinking? What will Farage’s election slogan be? Vote Brexit Party! (Do as I say, not as I do)

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by tiger76 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:21 pm

The courts are going to be busy once more.

SNP launch legal action over ITV debate

Nick Eardley

BBC political correspondent

The SNP announce they are taking legal action against ITV over its decision to exclude their leader from the channel's election debate next week.

This follows in the footsteps of the Lib Dems, who made a similar move on Monday.

ITV is hosting a primetime head-to-head between Conservative leader Boris Johnson and his Labour counterpart Jeremy Corbyn on 19 November.

And just in case Boris thought he'd dodged a bullet.

Legal threat over report into Russia election interference
Away from Boris Johnson's speech for a moment, his government could face a legal challenge to its decision to delay the publication of a report into claims of Russian interference in UK elections.

The Bureau of Investigative Journalism has written to Boris Johnson demanding the report's publication before the election and giving him six days to respond. The bureau says it will launch a judicial review if he refuses.

The government said it needed more time to be vetted.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by FactualFrank » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:26 pm

tiger76 wrote:The courts are going to be busy once more.

SNP launch legal action over ITV debate

Nick Eardley

BBC political correspondent

The SNP announce they are taking legal action against ITV over its decision to exclude their leader from the channel's election debate next week.

This follows in the footsteps of the Lib Dems, who made a similar move on Monday.

ITV is hosting a primetime head-to-head between Conservative leader Boris Johnson and his Labour counterpart Jeremy Corbyn on 19 November.

And just in case Boris thought he'd dodged a bullet.

Legal threat over report into Russia election interference
Away from Boris Johnson's speech for a moment, his government could face a legal challenge to its decision to delay the publication of a report into claims of Russian interference in UK elections.

The Bureau of Investigative Journalism has written to Boris Johnson demanding the report's publication before the election and giving him six days to respond. The bureau says it will launch a judicial review if he refuses.

The government said it needed more time to be vetted.
I don't fancy Boris to show up, anyway.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:28 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Farage to vote Tory ?

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status ... 7348311040" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status ... 4709268480" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

New record

He's changed his mind already!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Mala591 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:40 pm

Simple guide for Burnley constituents on how to vote in the General Election:

If you STRONGLY want to remain in the EU vote Lib Dem

If you STRONGLY want to leave the EU vote Conservative

If you don't feel STRONGLY about remaining or leaving then you should vote for any party that is offering policies which you find the most attractive.

A vote for the Brexit Party or any other independent candidate will be a completely wasted vote.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spiral » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:41 pm

Spiral wrote:Absolute madness tonight. It turns out is isn't a formal pact but rather the LD candidate voluntarily stepping down to help the Lab incumbent who has a majority of 187 (one hundred and eighty seven) over the Tories, who fielded a hard-brexiteer in 2017. But then LD HQ confirmed that there will be a replacement fielded, and that the LDs will fight Canterbury. However, the four approved potential candidates from the local LD party are now all refusing to stand, and the local association appears to be unwilling to play nice with the candidate Swinson will now need to parachute in from outside the constituency. It's thought local activists will campaign for other candidates in the surrounding seats. Local LD party and activists at loggerheads with LDHQ over strategy.
To follow up on this, the LD candidate for High Peak in Derbyshire (2322 Lab majority over Tories) has threatened to stand down, asking for a rethink of the leadership stance and disciplinary action against the Canterbury candidate, and an unreserved apology for the implied threat to other candidates. LD won 5% (2669 votes) in High Peak in 2017.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:45 pm

dsr wrote:Who would you expect to plan a government press conference in Luxembourg? The government, of course. The Luxembourg government, in case there is any doubt. Which isn't Boris Johnson.
It wasn't a govt press conference it was a press conference on the EU discussions that took place. This wasn't thrust upon Johnson but a press conference he jointly agreed to and then ran away because he was scared to face his British public

Again if you have any actual proof to show it was specifically set up and arranged by Luxemburg and Johnson was not party to these arrangements please do post it. Otherwise just go and spread your bullsh*t elsewhere please

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by tiger76 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:45 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I don't fancy Boris to show up, anyway.
Fine then empty-chair him like they did during the leadership debates,it shouldn't be for the political parties to dictate the agenda,if they shirk a debate it doesn't speak highly of their confidence in their policies does it,if they have no confidence in their own policies why should the general public.

I see the economic debate has been shelved after Javid chickened out,https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... e-20868072

The Conservatives obviously have learnt nothing from 2017,and are in danger of blowing a huge lead again.

Would have been daft to hold it this Sunday anyway,I'm a Celeb starts so no-one would tune in. :lol:
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:03 pm

tiger76 wrote:Fine then empty-chair him like they did during the leadership debates,it shouldn't be for the political parties to dictate the agenda,if they shirk a debate it doesn't speak highly of their confidence in their policies does it,if they have no confidence in their own policies why should the general public.

I see the economic debate has been shelved after Javid chickened out,https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... e-20868072

The Conservatives obviously have learnt nothing from 2017,and are in danger of blowing a huge lead again.

Would have been daft to hold it this Sunday anyway,I'm a Celeb starts so no-one would tune in. :lol:
I think not debating is a deliberate policy to not have the platforms compared like for like next to each other. They know some people will see it as shirking, but they’re probably counting on holding on to more of their “outer core” vote when it’s harder for them to compare like for like.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:05 pm

Mala591 wrote:Simple guide for Burnley constituents on how to vote in the General Election:

If you STRONGLY want to remain in the EU vote Lib Dem

If you STRONGLY want to leave the EU vote Conservative

If you don't feel STRONGLY about remaining or leaving then you should vote for any party that is offering policies which you find the most attractive.

A vote for the Brexit Party or any other independent candidate will be a completely wasted vote.
I suppose those who just want an orderly soft Brexit - one that protects jobs and conditions - they’ll have nobody but Labour to vote for?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:07 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Ok, let's look at some facts.
1. He pleaded with Boris to do a deal. Boris said no.
2. He threatened to challenge boris by standing in every constituency. Boris didn't back down.
3. Brexit Party polling slumped.
4. It would cost a fortune to run a campaign in 600 constituencies.
5. He had so little confidence in the party's ability to win any seats that he didn't even stand himself.

But if you believe that he's nobly and patriotically doing it for the country, then that's up to you.
The money that going to be used in all 600 is now only split by 300 so we have been informed there’s more money to fight in Burnley.

I still don’t get why he decided not to stand, that was strange.

The polls is the establishment trying to convince people the BP has little support. Not exactly what’s being experienced knocking on doors.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm

AndyClaret wrote::lol: :lol: :lol:

https://twitter.com/RaynerSkyNews/statu ... 2644480001" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Well for someone who's been so concerned about the racism and bigotry of Corbyn and the Labour party you sure know how to pick em

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/ ... 8049105920

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spiral » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:21 pm

Jesus bloody Christ, this tweet: "Yes, some in the church have erred. But unlike gays we don't celebrate perversion"

Is he suggesting gay-pride is a greater sin than paedophilia?

And "erred"? What kind of description of the Church's scandals is that?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spijed » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:23 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Well for someone who's been so concerned about the racism and bigotry of Corbyn and the Labour party you sure know how to pick em

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/ ... 8049105920
So basically, the guy who heckled Jeremy Corbyn was a Tory plant?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Rick_Muller » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:23 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Well for someone who's been so concerned about the racism and bigotry of Corbyn and the Labour party you sure know how to pick em

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/ ... 8049105920
That’s absolutely f#cking hilarious isn’t it :D :lol:

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spiral » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:24 pm

I just scrolled down that twitter thread. HE'S AN FU.CKING ANTI-SEMITE, TOO!!!!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:24 pm

Just Jezza meeting with another terrorist organisation.

https://twitter.com/TheGolem_/status/11 ... 9390920707" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:35 pm

Honest question for you that are into politics, I'm 63 yeas old,is this the most important election in my lifetime....and if it is why?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:41 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status ... 4709268480

New record

He's changed his mind already!
Cameron must be really kicking himself for taking the "threat" of this crank seriously.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by tiger76 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:00 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Cameron must be really kicking himself for taking the "threat" of this crank seriously.
That's why the country is split asunder,Cameron freaked out at the UKIP threat,and promised a referendum he never thought he'd have to deliver.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:02 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Honest question for you that are into politics, I'm 63 yeas old,is this the most important election in my lifetime....and if it is why?

Depends on your outlook.

For remainers, it’s the end of the universe. But actually you could rejoin the EU in the future if that was the countries wish.

For leavers, it’s the start hopefully of a brave new world, outside of the straight jacket of the EU.

The future cannot be predicted, you take your choice and hope your right.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:08 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Depends on your outlook.

For remainers, it’s the end of the universe. But actually you could rejoin the EU in the future if that was the countries wish.

For leavers, it’s the start hopefully of a brave new world, outside of the straight jacket of the EU.

The future cannot be predicted, you take your choice and hope your right.
I'm in a difficult position I live in Scotland,but I voted to leave as I lived in England at the time,Scotland's future is very precariously balanced.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:09 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Depends on your outlook.

For remainers, it’s the end of the universe. But actually you could rejoin the EU in the future if that was the countries wish.

For leavers, it’s the start hopefully of a brave new world, outside of the straight jacket of the EU.

The future cannot be predicted, you take your choice and hope your right.
Sadly, if it was a referendum, that would be true.

But it isn't, its an election and whoever gets a majority will rule for five years.

Look, I get that Brexit is a major issue, but its not as important as public services/NHS etc etc

That will be a factor, simply because the Tories have been the ruling party for a while.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:19 pm

Steve1956 wrote:I'm in a difficult position I live in Scotland,but I voted to leave as I lived in England at the time,Scotland's future is very precariously balanced.

That is a difficult position.

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