General Election Is On

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:17 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Can someone sort Corbyn’s glasses out!

I'm not sure if it's his glasses that are wonky, or his ears...

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:18 pm

Corbyn - where is the LEADERSHIP? You want to be Prime Minister and yet seem incapable of answering in what direction does he want to lead the country?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:19 pm

Maybe he’s falling down.

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:21 pm

If you are watching this.

Try this Drinking game.

1 glug every Boris interuption / talk over
2 glugs every lie.
3 glugs every point dodged.
4 glugs for every promise made with no intention of delivering

I'm half pi$$ed already

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:22 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I'm not sure if it's his glasses that are wonky, or his ears...

Everything about him is wonky.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:24 pm

HunterST_BFC wrote:If you are watching this.

Try this Drinking game.

1 glug every Boris interuption / talk over
2 glugs every lie.
3 glugs every point dodged.
4 glugs for every promise made with no intention of delivering

I'm half pi$$ed already

Corbyn’s glasses are making me feel sloshed, that’s before the three glugs for all the commitments he’s swerved. I couldn’t stomach the 4 glugs for the ‘we won’t do a deal with the SNP’, for laughing unfortunately

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:26 pm

The host terrible so far. Not allowing a debate to develop, not even allowing a 30 second answer. Should be 2 hours not 1.

I recall she was bad in 2017 too.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:30 pm

Corbyn’s statements on Anti semitism being addressed by Labour, followed by Johnson’s massive swerve on honesty in politics though...

Wow.

Comedy Gold.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:33 pm

Crikey, this bird presenting is trying her hardest to be "edgy and in control" whilst looking a complete ****, one can only wonder if shes after a job on the BBC gravy train!

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:34 pm

This ‘debate’ is a total mess. The presiding host I totally incapable of holding it together. Where is Jeremy Paxman when you need him?

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:34 pm

...and why do lefties always have to shout? is it cos Corbin is at the "i'm so old I **** myself every 20 mins" stage of life he has also lost his hearing?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:35 pm

Pretty poor all round so far. As we knew it would be.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:36 pm

dermotdermot wrote:This ‘debate’ is a total mess. The presiding host I totally incapable of holding it together. Where is Jeremy Paxman when you need him?

I think she's doing alright. Certainly better than Fiona Bruce.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:36 pm

I watched the first 25 minutes and had to switch off: I could not stand the woman hosting the show. She was is totally unprofessional and down right annoying.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:41 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I think she's doing alright. Certainly better than Fiona Bruce.

Any own goals from either side yet?
VAR in use tonight?

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:43 pm

He’s telling lies when he talks about 40 new hospitals. 40 hospitals have been given seed money to do a business case to see how much a new hospital will cost etc. I’ve seen the letter.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:45 pm

Corbyn glossing over that his own shadow health secretary was responsible for most of the NHS privatisation in it’s history, as an advisor to Gordon Brown as Chancellor and promoting those ruinous PFI deals.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:49 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:He’s telling lies when he talks about 40 new hospitals. 40 hospitals have been given seed money to do a business case to see how much a new hospital will cost etc. I’ve seen the letter.

Which is why there needed to be a fact checker to shout "Bullsh!t!!!" when something is incorrect.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:51 pm

Conservative Party HQ have changed their Twitter name to make people think they are a genuine Fact Check site. This party just cannot help itself but lie about everything

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:52 pm

4 day week won’t apply to the NHS. Tories know that but continue to spout their nonsense about it.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:54 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Conservative Party HQ have changed their Twitter name to make people think they are a genuine Fact Check site. This party just cannot help itself but lie about everything

Those nurses only work 3 days a week. 4th is always on agency somewhere else!

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:56 pm

Wow, that's an hour of my life I'll never get back

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:56 pm

It was woeful as a debate. An hour not enough. Corbyn edges it for me. Boris just told lie after lie.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:58 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:Those nurses only work 3 days a week. 4th is always on agency somewhere else!

I think youve missed my point. Its not the 4 day week tweet but this is the Conservative HQ page not a fact check site. They've changed to spread their bullsh*t under the disguise of looking like an unbiased Twitter account

As said the lying bast*rds just cant help themselves

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:02 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:4 day week won’t apply to the NHS. Tories know that but continue to spout their nonsense about it.

Corbyn's right hand man said it would apply to the NHS only the other day.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:03 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I think youve missed my point. Its not the 4 day week tweet but this is the Conservative HQ page not a fact check site. They've changed to spread their bullsh*t under the disguise of looking like an unbiased Twitter account

As said the lying bast*rds just cant help themselves

Someone as simple as you have worked out its the tories. It's in the name and the description.

...calm down love!

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:04 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:4 day week won’t apply to the NHS. Tories know that but continue to spout their nonsense about it.

Well John McDonnell says it does.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:04 pm

Well that was all rather underwhelming. The host was terrible and quite clearly tried to cut Boris Johnson short on just about every topic he tried to reply to. Even on his final sum up. She just wouldn’t let him finish. Corbyn did his best to impersonate Fred Kite and that was just about it.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:04 pm

Utter dross of course from ITV. As expected.

It was clear that the Tories are going to focus on attack lines for the next few weeks, principally Corbyn not answering which side he would back.

Labour focusing on the NHS, but a Labour majority has only presided over the NHS for about 25 years of its 71 year existence and in that time did most of its privatisation and its damage (many PFI companies contracts restrict hospitals ability to change physical shape to meet changing needs, we can thank Mr PFI Jon Ashworth for that).

Not a clear winner but the format prevented that. As for those stupid questions at the end, give me strength.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:05 pm

Boris smashed it. Corbyn looked like his liebore party with one foot in the grave

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:05 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:Someone as simple as you have worked out its the tories. It's in the name and the description.

...calm down love!

Dont worry Im ok thanks

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:06 pm

taio wrote:Corbyn's right hand man said it would apply to the NHS only the other day.

Not what Jonathan Ashworth said on five live yesterday and not what we have been told.

Labour know it would be impossible for NHS full time contracts to reduce to 30 hours (current full time is 37.5)

Maybe if we ever got to a point where there wasn’t a shortage of supply then we might be able to move towards it but that’s gonna take years and years given the lack of increase in funding nhs has seen since tories have been in.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:06 pm

As expected Boris ducked any awkward questions and resorted to trotting out inane Brexit catchphrases.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:06 pm

Great fight on BBC now between Gove and a McCluskey lookalike. The gloves are off. Blood will flow.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:09 pm

Top Claret wrote:Boris smashed it. Corbyn looked like his liebore party with one foot in the grave

If you think repeating "get Brexit done" over and over again like a broken record is winning a debate then you're obviously easily pleased.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:10 pm

jrgbfc wrote:As expected Boris ducked any awkward questions and resorted to trotting out inane Brexit catchphrases.

Agreed but that is a deliberate tactic to make all the news bulletins focus on Corbyn’s indecision. Just like the £350m bus - they knew darn well it was just over £200m but decided it was best to goad the opposition into bringing up the subject time and again - now, in 2050 we will still recall the bus, and we’ll also recall Corbyn’s dithering.

Not pleasant tactics but it works.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:10 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Not what Jonathan Ashworth said on five live yesterday and not what we have been told.

Labour know it would be impossible for NHS full time contracts to reduce to 30 hours (current full time is 37.5)

The shadow health secretary said one thing while the shadow chancellor said another. So let's just say that Labour is unclear on the issue.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:14 pm

John McDonald said something like as the economy grows. Fair enough to aim for it but it will take years and years in the nhs , if it is even possible to get to that point

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:16 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:John McDonald said something like as the economy grows. Fair enough to aim for it but it will take years and years in the nhs , if it is even possible to get to that point

Agree it would be undeliverable so why did he say it? And you can hardly accuse the tories of spouting nonsense about it when he said it.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:18 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Dont worry Im ok thanks

Cool.

You seemed a bit animated before.

Glad it's all ok now!

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:19 pm

taio wrote:Agree it would be undeliverable so why did he say it? And you can hardly accuse the tories of spouting nonsense about it when he said it.

The tories were obviously trying to convince the less well read that labour would cripple the nhs by implementing it ‘tomorrow’.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:26 pm

jrgbfc wrote:If you think repeating "get Brexit done" over and over again like a broken record is winning a debate then you're obviously easily pleased.

What was that phrase May kept repeating at the last election? Weirdest bit was the few in audience heckling when Corbyn said disasters as a result of climate change affects the poorest.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:27 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:The tories were obviously trying to convince the less well read that labour would cripple the nhs by implementing it ‘tomorrow’.

I haven't seen them say it would apply immediately but if you have fair enough. You said it won't apply to the NHS (I agree with you). The shadow chancellor said it would apply to everybody and it's a realistic ambition over the next decade or words to that effect. So the Tories were right to pick up on this because of the damage it would inflict on the NHS and it seems you agree because you also think it would be undeliverable.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:32 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:What was that phrase May kept repeating at the last election? Weirdest bit was the few in audience heckling when Corbyn said disasters as a result of climate change affects the poorest.

"Strong and stable" was the Maybots catchphrases. Yeah I noticed that, obviously coming from Tories. Showing any kind of compassion for those less fortunate is clearly alien to your average Tory voter.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:32 pm

taio wrote:I haven't seen them say it would apply immediately but if you have fair enough. You said it won't apply to the NHS (I agree with you). The shadow chancellor said it would apply to everybody and it's a realistic ambition over the next decade or words to that effect. So the Tories were right to pick up on this because of the damage it would inflict on the NHS and it seems you agree because you also think it would be undeliverable.

“Over the next decade”

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:34 pm

AndrewJB wrote:“Over the next decade”

Yes that's why I wrote it. Still undeliverable and most people know it including the shadow health secretary.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:47 pm

Glad I missed it.

Not remotely interested in what either of them has to say so not surprised it being received so negatively by everyone.

Not a great time for UK politics and I hope whoever wins can somehow change the downward spiral we are in.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:54 pm

What a ******* choice, heaven help us!!

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:15 pm

Finished 0-0

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:02 pm

I know it's been mentioned already but still trying to wrap my head around the audacity and brazen deceitfulness of the government.

Who altered their twitter account during a live television debate to masquerade and give the appearance of an independent fact checking service which then only posted anti-labour content...

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