How have you determined that Johnson won last night? He looked lost and bereft whenever he was asked a difficult question, and answered none. Their fag packet manifesto hasn’t been costed, and just contains sticking plasters to cover over a bit of their austerity damage. How many new hospitals and nurses do you believe they’ll deliver? The Labour manifesto is very transformational and positive. A cogent alternative to austerity. The choice couldn’t be starker.Inchy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:00 amBoris won last night purely on the fact he wasnt humiliated. If Corbyn was a strong leader he would have gone for Boris. He would have highlight all the lies. He should have focussed on that and less on his own policies. Boris had an easy ride. All he have to do is divert every question to brexit. The one time he was questioned about his lies he was able to brush it off as a joke. Corbyn should have gone to town on this subject.
It admirable that Corbyn was more interested in focusing on his own policies but that won’t win this election.
The only outcome I hope for is a minority Tory win (I would prefer labour to win and that’s how I will be voting but it’s clearly not achievable). Hopefully this will provide a weak Tory government and hopefully this will be enough to replace Corbyn. Preferably with someone with less baggage.
Labour need someone more in touch with the labour heartlands. Immigration isn’t an issue to Corbyn. It isn’t an issue for me. I believe in freedom of movement. However I understand that people in the industrial north have a real issue with that.
If Labour do poorly in the election, I’d imagine Corbyn will go, however the next leader will get the same relentless assault from the right wing press. They don’t hate Corbyn, but the ideas and policies he represents. If you want a Labour government that truly works for the people, then we have to accept the opposition of the Sun, Mail and Telegraph. Immigration fits in here as an issue those papers invented. Why else would it be an issue in areas largely unaffected by immigration, and why is it not an issue in places most of the immigrants have come to? I think it would be unwise for Labour to play to a concocted issue (and precisely why the Tories have done so badly with immigration - failing to meet any targets, and going so far to bring numbers down that they’ve had things like the Windrush Scandal blow up in their faces).