General Election Is On

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:09 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:22 pm
Yep you might be right Damo....despise probably the wrong word.
I can think of plenty of other words that probably better fit....my overriding feeling is probably pity - I feel sorry for anyone who can spend so much time posting on a messageboard instead of living in the real world.
I can confirm that!

A cursory glance at your wee small hours irrational rants towards me will show most of your words were foul and abusive!

And needlessly bringing my lad into your bile and filth!

What a nasty nasty person.......

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:12 pm

claret_in_exile wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:57 pm
Yes, actually. You're kidding yourself if you think it was just about Ringo. There is a small clique on here who aggressively attack anyone who doesn't worship ultra-leftism. Most people are alright, but particular contributors (and we all know who they are) have been behaving dreadfully and fully deserve to suffer through Ringo's moment in the sun.

I don't agree with a significant aspect of Ringo's politics, by the way. But I am enjoying the schadenfreude.
Especially for you!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by NottsClaret » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:30 pm

Hard work reading some of this, explains a lot though.

That whole page dedicated to Martin and Ringo arguing about two different things, shouting into a void neatly sums up modern politics.

One thing that is really good about this thread / forum - and I mean this - is that it’s actually one place online that isn’t an echo chamber. I realised yesterday that I sort of inhabit one online, even though I believed otherwise.

It’s an easy trap to fall into and I imagine all of us - and clearly the Labour Party and Momentum - are as guilty as anyone.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by KateR » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:53 pm

It is what it is, some posters on here still in denial, still trying to defend the what they can not come to accept, it's happened, your thoughts and wishes did not materialize, the voters are not stupid and have sent a large message to parliament, surely everyone can see that message. If you can, then I hope some can just try to support the government now as we move forward, stop with the fear campaigns, let's agree to disagree on certain subjects and just let it go.

Clearly no one knows where we will be in 5 years let alone 2021 but surely we all want the best for the UK unless of course you are supporting a break away from the UK to your own small piece of utopia.

I am extremely pleased with the results and they are far better than I imagined they would be, the Labour Party controlling body seem to be in denial about the results and until they understand the message they have been sent there will be no credible opposition. I believe it is good to have credible opposition, but more than this, I intensely dislike politics that just oppose the other sides thought/intended actions. Numerous things can benefit the country through parties being aligned, supporting actions for improvement rather than the continual "its a step in the right direction but nowhere near enough".

Swinson's exit speech showing why LibDems did so poorly, completely in denial about they got things wrong and trying to vindicate herself and her policies, I thought at one point they could win many seats, but continued to implode dramatically, failing to understand what they were selling was not what the vast majority of the country wanted.

Like many I do believe it is now up to the Tories, they are in the drivers seat, anything failing will be laid at there doorstep, and quite rightly

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by TVC15 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:53 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:09 pm
I can confirm that!

A cursory glance at your wee small hours irrational rants towards me will show most of your words were foul and abusive!

And needlessly bringing my lad into your bile and filth!

What a nasty nasty person.......
“Cursory glance” ?...you wouldn’t know the meaning.
You spend your life on here - you brought up the issue of your son and I said that you should spend less time on this message board and more time with him (I paraphrase before you go all mental again with those quotation marks)

You’re hilarious - touch a nerve did I ? And look at you going out in clitheroe celebrating tonight - maybe your lad will get to catch the back of your head over the weekend sometime as you are hunched over the computer bashing the keyboard furiously.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:54 pm

Yay, at last ! S/he's back.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Vino blanco » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:00 pm

I haven't seen much of Len McCluskey on TV today, he normally loves being on the box. Mind you, I suppose he's busy starting the process to choose the next Labour leader.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:02 pm

"as you are hunched over the computer bashing the keyboard furiously." Ugh, what a bloody awful image, that mountain of three years' worth of tissues must be enormous.

One imagines his wife, assuming she exists or is still with him, must long for the days when he used to slip off to knock one out over his porn rather than over Brexit or the Tories.

Still, it's harmless enough if the family can put up with it, I guess.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by bobinho » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:08 pm

Just had a while perusing the results. That’s one hell of a spanking you know.

I know Corbyn has stated he won’t contest another election, but for the good of the country he needs to go NOW. And he needs to take the vast majority of his shadow cabinet with him.

In a personal note, I’m absolutely delighted that Cooper lost her seat. The people of Burnley remembered after all...

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:08 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:06 pm
All the predictable stuff Edward!

You just missed out your go-to favourites!

Foul language , unbridled palpable anger and tissues!!

Part fron that, all your best bits!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I know, all those things that have upset you so much in the past and, you know what, I've never even been banned...

What about you, Ringo ? Have you been banned, Ringo ?
What did you post, Ringo ? What were you banned for, Ringo ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hypocritical prick.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by KateR » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:02 pm
"as you are hunched over the computer bashing the keyboard furiously." Ugh, what a bloody awful image, that mountain of three years' worth of tissues must be enormous.

One imagines his wife, assuming she exists or is still with him, must long for the days when he used to slip off to knock one out over his porn rather than over Brexit or the Tories.

Still, it's harmless enough if the family can put up with it, I guess.
quite predictable< I suspect any tears today from Ringo are tears of joy, unlike your spite eating away at you, but I expected no less from you and a few others in your little losing clique.

Have a great weekend, try not to water down your beer with your tears :) Or are you staying in and saving up now, ready to stockpile ready for the doom that is on the horizon?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:28 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:32 pm
********, the best, funniest, thing on the crappy political threads, maybe, but the whole board ? Don't talk wet.
On all football boards. Hours of laughter for free.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:32 pm

Come on, you've read all the stuff today and been told at least three times that Brexit and the GE result are largely irrelevant to me for various reasons. I've gained rather than lost.

Love how you mention your er, his tissues were for drying up his tears. Nice touch, that.

Go easy tonight, I know the "wife'" is driving but don't get all giddy and **** yourself up. It would be dreadful if you were to cause or be involved in an accident, especially just before Christmas............drink responsibly - as I said, if it's not too late.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:33 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:28 pm
On all football boards. Hours of laughter for free.
Aye, go on then. :lol:

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by aggi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:43 pm

A good graphic showing the distribution of seats

Image

The red wall is a bit dented.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:46 pm

Did it take you long to crochet that ?
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by KateR » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:52 pm

That Red Wall has got some huge Cracks in it, Blue in so many unexpected places, I mean no one really saw this coming did they, has to be the case or someone would have told the Labour Party about this potential outcome, wouldn't they?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by KateR » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:57 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:32 pm
Come on, you've read all the stuff today and been told at least three times that Brexit and the GE result are largely irrelevant to me for various reasons. I've gained rather than lost.

Love how you mention your er, his tissues were for drying up his tears. Nice touch, that.

Go easy tonight, I know the "wife'" is driving but don't get all giddy and **** yourself up. It would be dreadful if you were to cause or be involved in an accident, especially just before Christmas............drink responsibly - as I said, if it's not too late.
"Brexit and the GE results are largely irrelevant to me" Absolutely the best quote over the period from 2016, I just love it, coming from the BJ is a liar brigade,

I have to say your posts do give me something to laugh about, is it dark in your hole, are you going to use it for stock piling, or is it to help you hide from reality?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndrewJB » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:05 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:58 pm
They painted him as a terrorist loving, anti semitic, commie.
Because he is a terrorist loving, anti semitic, commie.
It didnt matter that he spoke of helping the needy, or the homeless. They say Hitler was a good artist, it didn't make him a good person. Nothing of Corbyn's waffle could detract from what he has said and stood for, for the last 40 years. So hardly media bias.
Says the guy who swallowed it hook line and sinker!

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spiral » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:11 pm

Opinium research carried out today, reasons people did not vote labour:

Leadership 43%
Brexit 17%
Economic policies 12%

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/12 ... 3466502144
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by KateR » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:11 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:05 pm
Says the guy who swallowed it hook line and sinker!
LOL, says the guy in complete denial

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Somethingfishy » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:17 pm

KateR wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:11 pm
LOL, says the guy in complete denial
Fortunately for him it looks like the parliamentry Labour party at least realise Corbyn was the poison. The vast majority have rounded on him. Unless of course they have been reading too many tory newspapers? :lol: Totally deluded.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:26 pm

KateR wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:57 pm
"Brexit and the GE results are largely irrelevant to me" Absolutely the best quote over the period from 2016, I just love it, coming from the BJ is a liar brigade,

I have to say your posts do give me something to laugh about, is it dark in your hole, are you going to use it for stock piling, or is it to help you hide from reality?

Do explain. I've spoken to you all day regarding my stance, or lack of, and why yesterday worked for me. You seem to be very Ringoesque in your stupidity.
Have a read again and get back to me with anything you can't/won't understand.

It's probably not as dark as in your hol...oh, never mind. ;)
Enjoy Clit.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:29 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:05 pm
Says the guy who swallowed it hook line and sinker!
Andrew its a fact, he hasnt exactly hidden his feelings for the last 40 years. You have to be really blinkered, or brain washed not to see it.
There was nothing to swallow. There are countless videos and tapes of Corbyn sharing platforms with terrorists or terrorist supporters. Countless speeches where he defended the indefensible, and spat on this country. Did the Sun fake all them as well.
Im really puzzled as to why, despite all the evidence, not fake news but evidence, you continue to make believe he doesn't support terrorism, or that he dislikes this country. It's a headshaker.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:31 pm

Just wait till some of these lot have had a few bevvies tonight.

Popcorn at the ready.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:31 pm

KateR wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:11 pm
LOL, says the guy in complete denial
What’s he in denial about?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by KateR » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:34 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:26 pm
Do explain. I've spoken to you all day regarding my stance, or lack of, and why yesterday worked for me. You seem to be very Ringoesque in your stupidity.
Have a read again and get back to me with anything you can't/won't understand.
Enjoy Clit.
Your biggest problem is you don't understand that people read your posts and understand them well, any type of comment you feel is negative you go for the jugular, you resort to name calling like a child, mind you don't scratch yourself on the way out and please close the door gently behind you.

bye bye

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:39 pm

From KateR


"I just love it, coming from the BJ is a liar brigade"

You're saying he's not lied ? Wow, you really are out of your depth. Still, you know best. Have a great night - just need to check my final winnings and then we're off out too.

Enjoy Clit - drink responsibly.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spiral » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:45 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:05 pm
Says the guy who swallowed it hook line and sinker!
I think you and I align on a lot, politically, Andrew, and while I've expressed on here (this very thread earlier in the election) some misgivings I have with Coybyn - though certainly not enough to be disqualifying - I like the policies and think there's a lot to like in him. One thing he certainly did change was rejecting austerity, something Miliband did not do. However, while the rhetoric like "terrorist loving, anti-British" is obviously, patently ridiculous, the simple fact of the matter is that it cut through, terminally. The hung parliament in 2017 was a complete surprise and I thought the electorate had shown to be indifferent to his past comments, making gains on Ed Miliband's result. Obviously not the case, it seems. It doesn't matter the rights or wrongs of people voting based on what they read in hysterical tabloids - yes, people are bat$hit in they believe he truly hates this country - they believe it nonetheless, and Labour needs to find a way to circumvent the general population's baser impulses and win. So that means accepting folk will be swayed by character assassination more than they will policy and put forward someone utterly unencumbered. I honestly don't know what kind of $hit could be thrown at someone like Lisa Nandy, for instance, and a slightly watered down version of this most recent manifesto, (basically, something closer to 2017 manifesto), post-Brexit, and sold with a non-Southern accent (very, very important in 2024 considering there are people up here who somehow believe Johnson to be one of us), might cause trouble for the Tories.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by KateR » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:46 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:31 pm
What’s he in denial about?
Martin,
I would think many of the same things you are in denial about, the hundreds of boring posts regarding BJ is a liar, stating no one with any sense would vote for him, he can't be trusted. Yet the country overwhelmingly voted for him. Try to connect the dots here, they voted for a proven liar, beyond any shadow of doubt, rather than vote for JC and the Labour policies that offered untold wealth to the masses. I am not trying to say anyone is in denial about the result or forecasted a Labour win, but so many of you were in denial that Burnley could go Tory, certainly not saying you were expecting Labour to win here yet there was no chance Tory could represent Burnley in the HOC. Remainers in general simply did not understand the mood of the country, LibDem paid that price for hanging there hat on remain, Labour for sitting on a fence hoping to attract votes from all sides.

My first post of the day was in regard to trying to move forward together, trying to forget all posts behind us, trying to stop the abuse, obviously that message failed miserably, just like Labour & LibDems.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by KateR » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:51 pm

Don't forget to close the door eddie on your way out, drown your sorrows, hope you are steadier after a few drinks than you are here, do let me know when you're back even, it's comedy gold as someone said.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndrewJB » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:53 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:03 pm
Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

But yes..it is all right wing press bias. :roll: Have a word with yourself man. Get yourself someone decent and it will be a lot harder to denigrate him/her. Corbyn made it easy. He was totally unfit to be anywhere near being a PM.
The fact you can produce a list like that spanning forty years proves my point. The first item on your list - he met with two ex IRA members who had come out of prison, and he was at that time involved with prison reform. Your list is all spun ********, and provided by one or more of the papers who have attacked him so much. If you were asked to provide a list of good things he’s done, you wouldn’t get one from one of those papers, because they only deal with negative Corbyn stories. They exist - like the work he’s done for the north London Jewish community - but there has been zero objectivity, and some haven’t ever quoted him directly and in full context. The reason they did this was not because they hate the IRA, because they’ve never ran a campaign to oust a Tory councillor in Croydon who used to be a member, and it wasn’t a hatred of antiSemitism, because the Mail was quite happy to use that to attack Miliband Senior. The reason they hate Corbyn is because he was going to tax them a lot more.

Consider this: if you have a democracy in which the policies of a main party are constantly misrepresented to the public, and it’s leader consistently held up as a danger and his words and opinions distorted or ignored; and the other main party is instead boosted with praise, and its leader subjected to far less negative scrutiny, then we don’t have an informed public, and the democracy is weaker. That is bad for all of us.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:54 pm

KateR wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:46 pm
Martin,
I would think many of the same things you are in denial about, the hundreds of boring posts regarding BJ is a liar, stating no one with any sense would vote for him, he can't be trusted. Yet the country overwhelmingly voted for him. Try to connect the dots here, they voted for a proven liar, beyond any shadow of doubt, rather than vote for JC and the Labour policies that offered untold wealth to the masses. I am not trying to say anyone is in denial about the result or forecasted a Labour win, but so many of you were in denial that Burnley could go Tory, certainly not saying you were expecting Labour to win here yet there was no chance Tory could represent Burnley in the HOC. Remainers in general simply did not understand the mood of the country, LibDem paid that price for hanging there hat on remain, Labour for sitting on a fence hoping to attract votes from all sides.

My first post of the day was in regard to trying to move forward together, trying to forget all posts behind us, trying to stop the abuse, obviously that message failed miserably, just like Labour & LibDems.
But I’ve been predicting a Johnson win since the election was called. He’s a liar, that’s a proven fact. People will vote for liars, you only need to look across the Atlantic to see that. They didn’t like the alternative, Labour will need to offer a new alternative. I’m not the one denying anything.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Somethingfishy » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:04 pm

For those of you in total denial..and it seems there are many.....

Labour just had their worst election result since 1935. 84 years!! This is despite you believing we have the most uncaring shocking government ever. Thousands on thousands of traditional Labour voters turned Tory last night.
Yet you still believe the reason lies with the media smearing Jeremy. It's never your fault.

Until you and the party as a whole get a f***ing grip and take your heads out of the sand and admit the faults, ditch the far left, ditch the cretin that is Jon Lansman and the poison that is Momentum and drag the party back more central you won't get my vote..and the votes of many of those who abandoned you last night back. You will never get back in power...and presumably we will all be blamed as being thick...turkeys voting for Christmas etc (whichever is your preferred slur) ...as is the lefty way.

If you want to believe Corbyn was the unlucky saviour i suggest joining the Communist party. They would gladly have you. They might need a right wing.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by KateR » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:07 pm

Martin,
that was never your stance, your even posting things around BJ not needing ERG now, and maybe we will see the real BJ now. You campaigned hard and long against the Tories, leaving and BJ in particular, never ever did I see a post where you said, it might be good if the Tories win a big majority, that way BJ wont beholding to ERG and we can certainly avoid a no deal Brexit.

The posts from you, eddie, TV something, Andrew, etc tend to be about forecast this result, I am not wrong for the hundreds of threads and abuse you all dish out regarding people being clueless, only someone very stupid would vote for BJ.

I have been telling you for months, everyone knows BJ has lied, we, everyone agrees with this as a fact, I tried to explain why it is boring, I get you don't like him, you don't trust him, move on. Why can't you just say something about we will be watching how he performs over the next 12 months in particular and 5 years in general to the important things, stop trying to justify to others you were right all along, you weren't.

Like eddie it is time for food and wine, have a good weekend.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:11 pm

"The posts from you, eddie, TV something, Andrew, etc tend to be about forecast this result, I am not wrong for the hundreds of threads and abuse you all dish out regarding people being clueless, only someone very stupid would vote for BJ."

When I asked you to explain your thinking, I meant coherently. This gibberish suggests nothing other than your stupidity.

Anyway, enjoy the booze but watch what you're doing. You've had an exciting day, let's not spoil it.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndrewJB » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:12 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:29 pm
Andrew its a fact, he hasnt exactly hidden his feelings for the last 40 years. You have to be really blinkered, or brain washed not to see it.
There was nothing to swallow. There are countless videos and tapes of Corbyn sharing platforms with terrorists or terrorist supporters. Countless speeches where he defended the indefensible, and spat on this country. Did the Sun fake all them as well.
Im really puzzled as to why, despite all the evidence, not fake news but evidence, you continue to make believe he doesn't support terrorism, or that he dislikes this country. It's a headshaker.
It’s not “fact”. You said he was a communist, terrorist supporting, anti-Semite - and none of those things are true, except in the daily-Mail readers mind (because they put it there). “He dislikes this country” - what utter nonsense. He’s been a backbench MP for decades, and the lowest expenses (you’d think someone who hates the country would at least take the mick on that), so how does that equate to hate? Austerity is hate of the country, because it makes many people’s lives harder, and Corbyn was against that - so I completely disagree.

Johnson has five years now, and Corbyn will go, but whoever becomes leader of Labour next will get the same press treatment - maybe not at first, because Johnson’s position is very secure- but when it comes to an election the press will pick their party and do a demolition job on anyone threatening their wealth.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Somethingfishy » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:17 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:12 pm
It’s not “fact”. You said he was a communist, terrorist supporting, anti-Semite - and none of those things are true, except in the daily-Mail readers mind (because they put it there). “He dislikes this country” - what utter nonsense. He’s been a backbench MP for decades, and the lowest expenses (you’d think someone who hates the country would at least take the mick on that), so how does that equate to hate? Austerity is hate of the country, because it makes many people’s lives harder, and Corbyn was against that - so I completely disagree.

Johnson has five years now, and Corbyn will go, but whoever becomes leader of Labour next will get the same press treatment - maybe not at first, because Johnson’s position is very secure- but when it comes to an election the press will pick their party and do a demolition job on anyone threatening their wealth.
You are beyond help. Just hope the party veers the right way after all this. A chance to learn lessons and rebuild. If the tories fail (history suggests there is a chance of it) then Labour need to get into a position to take advantage. No chance with the far left running it..whether you like it or not.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndrewJB » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:19 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:04 pm
For those of you in total denial..and it seems there are many.....

Labour just had their worst election result since 1935. 84 years!! This is despite you believing we have the most uncaring shocking government ever. Thousands on thousands of traditional Labour voters turned Tory last night.
Yet you still believe the reason lies with the media smearing Jeremy. It's never your fault.

Until you and the party as a whole get a f***ing grip and take your heads out of the sand and admit the faults, ditch the far left, ditch the cretin that is Jon Lansman and the poison that is Momentum and drag the party back more central you won't get my vote..and the votes of many of those who abandoned you last night back. You will never get back in power...and presumably we will all be blamed as being thick...turkeys voting for Christmas etc (whichever is your preferred slur) ...as is the lefty way.

If you want to believe Corbyn was the unlucky saviour i suggest joining the Communist party. They would gladly have you. They might need a right wing.
You’re misrepresenting my opinions. I haven’t said the press were the only reason, but that it is a big problem for our democracy that they have the power they have. If you think press power had little effect, and it was all down to some shadowy people and Corbyn, then you’re living proof of what I’m talking about.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndrewJB » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:20 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:17 pm
You are beyond help. Just hope the party veers the right way after all this. A chance to learn lessons and rebuild. If the tories fail (history suggests there is a chance of it) then Labour need to get into a position to take advantage. No chance with the far left running it..whether you like it or not.
You’re not engaging with me, which is up to you.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by claret_in_exile » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:24 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:04 pm
For those of you in total denial..and it seems there are many.....

Labour just had their worst election result since 1935. 84 years!! This is despite you believing we have the most uncaring shocking government ever. Thousands on thousands of traditional Labour voters turned Tory last night.
Yet you still believe the reason lies with the media smearing Jeremy. It's never your fault.

Until you and the party as a whole get a f***ing grip and take your heads out of the sand and admit the faults, ditch the far left, ditch the cretin that is Jon Lansman and the poison that is Momentum and drag the party back more central you won't get my vote..and the votes of many of those who abandoned you last night back. You will never get back in power...and presumably we will all be blamed as being thick...turkeys voting for Christmas etc (whichever is your preferred slur) ...as is the lefty way.

If you want to believe Corbyn was the unlucky saviour i suggest joining the Communist party. They would gladly have you. They might need a right wing.
Excellent points.

Bear in mind that the only other landslide in recent memory came in 1997, after 18 long years of Tory rule, two major financial crises, "Back to Basics" and a Tory party in meltdown over Europe (Major "resigned", if you recall).

This landslide came despite the fact that Boris Johnson is not seen particularly favorably and after 9 years of both austerity and weak Tory governments. If you put things in that context, this is probably the worst election defeat ever. It's not Brexit, it's that Labour went to the extremes of their left-wing and kept going.

Holy ****, the Labour leadership praised Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro up until 2018. That's insane.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by clarethomer » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:25 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:19 pm
You’re misrepresenting my opinions. I haven’t said the press were the only reason, but that it is a big problem for our democracy that they have the power they have. If you think press power had little effect, and it was all down to some shadowy people and Corbyn, then you’re living proof of what I’m talking about.
I think you call this confirmation bias.....

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by RMutt » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:28 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:17 pm
You are beyond help. Just hope the party veers the right way after all this. A chance to learn lessons and rebuild. If the tories fail (history suggests there is a chance of it) then Labour need to get into a position to take advantage. No chance with the far left running it..whether you like it or not.
Come on Somethingfishy, they get them all in the end. Foot, Kinnock, Milliband. Only Blair escaped, the friend of Murdoch. But then he got blamed for the banking collapse that was the excuse behind austerity. Give me media backing and the wealth of the Tory party coffers and I could get anyone elected.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Somethingfishy » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:30 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:19 pm
You’re misrepresenting my opinions. I haven’t said the press were the only reason, but that it is a big problem for our democracy that they have the power they have. If you think press power had little effect, and it was all down to some shadowy people and Corbyn, then you’re living proof of what I’m talking about.
The press as a whole are a major problem. Swaying public opinion...both ways. On that I wholeheartedly agree. Johnson has been put through the mill too but he hasn't got half the history Corbyn has despite being a liar. It is there whether you like it or not and if the press choose to highlight it then perhaps that should have been on the minds of the Labour membership when they elected him. It isn't completely made up. Just too much evidence. He was unfit to be Labour leader let alone be PM.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Cryssys » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:31 pm

Despite winning the most seats, the vote split shows that less than 44% of the country wanted a Tory government and that 56% of the country did not want a Tory government.

Conservative Party Share 43.6% Votes 13,966,565 Seats 365

Labour Party Share 32.2% Votes 10,295,607 Seats 203

Liberal Democrats Share 11.6% Votes 3,696,423 Seats 11

Scottish National Party Share 3.9% Votes 1,242,372 Seats 48

Source: PA Media via dpa-infocom.

What stands out for me is that the Lib Dems polled three times as many votes as the SNP but only won 11 seats compared to the SNP's 48.

How can that be right?

Given your democratic credentials Ringo would you agree that the make up of parliament does not represent the views of the British people and that our electoral system is in need of reform?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by clarethomer » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:35 pm

Cryssys wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:31 pm
Despite winning the most seats, the vote split shows that less than 44% of the country wanted a Tory government and that 56% of the country did not want a Tory government.

Conservative Party Share 43.6% Votes 13,966,565 Seats 365

Labour Party Share 32.2% Votes 10,295,607 Seats 203

Liberal Democrats Share 11.6% Votes 3,696,423 Seats 11

Scottish National Party Share 3.9% Votes 1,242,372 Seats 48

Source: PA Media via dpa-infocom.

What stands out for me is that the Lib Dems polled three times as many votes as the SNP but only won 11 seats compared to the SNP's 48.

How can that be right?

Given your democratic credentials Ringo would you agree that the make up of parliament does not represent the views of the British people and that our electoral system is in need of reform?
Not this **** again... It's like saying that the top of the premier league got 100 points but the 19 below them got a collective amount of points greater than them so we need to reform how we classify the winner.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Somethingfishy » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:35 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:20 pm
You’re not engaging with me, which is up to you.
We originally come from the same side. Yet you are staunch and don't believe any bad news that heads Labours way. Almost as if you have hands on ears, eyes closed, going wah wah wah. I have opened my eyes, more centre ground. I think I am more able to have a balanced opinion. Your stance frustrates me and it is not helping the Labour party. Corbyn is history whatever way it happened. Labour need to listen and move on. Blaming everyone but themselves just won't help. The signs so far are not good. We shall see.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Somethingfishy » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:37 pm

The people who voted for Blair in 1997 and for a Labour government for 13 years are still there. They voted Tory last night though. Think about that.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Cryssys » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:43 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:35 pm
Not this **** again... It's like saying that the top of the premier league got 100 points but the 19 below them got a collective amount of points greater than them so we need to reform how we classify the winner.
It's nothing like that. Rather than just trying to shout it down why don't you try presenting a coherent argument? The make up of parliament should reflect the views of the country. That would be representative and democratic. One person, one vote and fair representation.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Damo » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:46 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:53 pm
Consider this: if you have a democracy in which the policies of a main party are constantly misrepresented to the public, and it’s leader consistently held up as a danger and his words and opinions distorted or ignored; and the other main party is instead boosted with praise, and its leader subjected to far less negative scrutiny, then we don’t have an informed public, and the democracy is weaker. That is bad for all of us.
Ignoring the bit of your post that I didnt quote, this paragraph could quite easily be about Johnson and the tories, and the "Death of the NHS" nonsense.
The privatisation level of the NHS is currently 7%.
Exactly the same level the last Labour government built it up to.
There was bullsh*t from both sides. You would be much more enlightened if you could open your eyes wide enough to see all of it
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