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Re: General Election Is On

Post by ksrclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:23 pm

God I always thought dsr was just an aggressive bore, a right-wing aggressive bore, who tries to enforce his boringness on everyone else, but just a bore.

I'd no idea dsr was such an extremist. Scary to think who you've been sharing a message board with.
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Re: Register to Vote

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:24 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Interestingly we had a debate at work on Monday about the fight over the date of the 9th and the date of the 12th.
It had been suggested that it was because Students are still at uni.
It was suggested by a commentator that students vote twice, once in the Uni city and at home by postal vote .

I mentioned this at work, a friend at work last night mentioned the same to his wife who was enraged I had suggested such behaviour.
In an attempt to put me back in my box she contacted 2 current students at Uni, who both confirmed they voted twice.

She was apoplectic.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:25 pm

aggi wrote:Ha, I suspect this was just phrased badly but the also the first thing that sprung to mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w5WOb8jPLQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I’ll be honest I was expecting a Cyndi Lauper song.
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Re: Register to Vote

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:25 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Interestingly we had a debate at work on Monday about the fight over the date of the 9th and the date of the 12th.
It had been suggested that it was because Students are still at uni.
It was suggested by a commentator that students vote twice, once in the Uni city and at home by postal vote .

I mentioned this at work, a friend at work last night mentioned the same to his wife who was enraged I had suggested such behaviour.
In an attempt to put me back in my box she contacted 2 current students at Uni, who both confirmed they voted twice.

She was apoplectic.
It's to do with making sure parliament recesses now rather than at the end of this week to prevent Boris Johnson trying to ram through his Withdrawal Bill between now and Friday.

Also, i don't believe you.

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Re: Will you change your normal vote?

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:29 pm

I'll vote for whichever party is most likely to keep the Tories out of the Burnley constituency. Unless the Lib Dems put up Birtwistle, then i'll be voting Labour regardless.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:30 pm

Rowls and Dsr having a chat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU&t=31s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:32 pm

Rowls wrote:Very often this is hot air but rich regularly move their assets abroad to avoid punative tax regimes.

Here's a very recent, high profile example of it happening in France:

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/13/worl ... rance.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As usual, the socialists decry it publicly. But what it means is that a rich person moves out of their jurisdiction, they're no longer able to tax the rich person and regular (and poor) people have to foot the bill for the tax that would have been paid by the rich person at a lower rate.
The Rich aren't paying their fair share!........That's why we have huge deficits, both sides of the Atlantic!
Check out the Panama papers.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:32 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Rowls and Dsr having a chat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU&t=31s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I knew what this would be before i clicked it.

Those two would need to have some self-awareness before the comparison is precise.

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Re: Register to Vote

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:32 pm

That’s fine, I thought it was funny. I didn’t claim it was true, I just pointed out in debate that was a reason given for Labour and Lib Dem’s wanting the vote on the 9th.

In her attempt to prove me wrong she found in fact it’s does happen. That’s funny.

I know you think there is no vote rigging going on.

Continue in your bubble, that’s fine.
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Re: Will you change your normal vote?

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:32 pm

Anyone but Boris for me, but I am in a Tory stronghold so my vote is essentially wasted

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:33 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I literally don't know. Am I supposed to lie or something? Some of us have integrity, a foreign concept to a Trump-loving racist like yourself, i'm sure.

It depends on who the Lib Dems put up, and then it depends on which of either Labour or Lib Dems has the better chance of keeping out the Brextremists.

So to answer your question, for the second time: I. Don't. Know.
I guess it’s a tough call when the party nearest to your true values are not standing

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:34 pm

Rowls wrote:You might be judge and jury on here Lancaster but it doesn't make you tasteful and it doesn't make you in any way right.

You should curb your insults and your constant Nazi-referencing.

You're like this board's Ken Livingstone.
And you are like this board's Jacob Reese-Mogg!

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Re: Will you change your normal vote?

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:37 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'll vote for whichever party is most likely to keep the Tories out of the Burnley constituency. Unless the Lib Dems put up Birtwistle, then i'll be voting Labour regardless.
Your voting Labour then.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:37 pm

FCBurnley wrote:I guess it’s a tough call when the party nearest to your true values are not standing

No, the Green's probably will field a candidate.

What party are you thinking of though?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Spijed » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:38 pm

Guardian live update

Government will pull bill if amendments to give vote to EU nationals or 16- and 17-year-olds pass, says No 10 source
Peter Walker Peter Walker
If anyone had any doubt about this, Downing Street has confirmed it will withdraw the general election bill if MPs attach amendments to extend votes to either 16- and 17-year olds, or EU nationals.

Boris Johnson’s spokesman had already said such a move would bring “administrative chaos”, and go against the convention that changes to the franchise are done over time and via consultation, but went no further.

However, a No 10 source confirmed such amendments would be fatal to the bill:

You cannot honestly argue that you are supporting an election on 12 December and vote for a change in the franchise. It’s quite clear a vote to change the franchise would create a six-month delay.

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Re: Will you change your normal vote?

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:39 pm

I have almost always voted Labour in GE.
Except for when Birtwistle got in when I voted for him.

This time will have to be a considered choice on which I think will win, between Stewart (preferred choice) or at worst Tory.

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Re: Register to Vote

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:40 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:That’s fine, I thought it was funny. I didn’t claim it was true, I just pointed out in debate that was a reason given for Labour and Lib Dem’s wanting the vote on the 9th.

In her attempt to prove me wrong she found in fact it’s does happen. That’s funny.

I know you think there is no vote rigging going on.

Continue in your bubble, that’s fine.
Without face value assurances, it warrants the benefit of the doubt, it's common knowledge well highly suspicious when voting more than a singular vote can be repeated, the systems got loopholes & easily exploited.

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Re: Will you change your normal vote?

Post by Steve1956 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:41 pm

My first vote in Scotland....F**k!!!!!,help me guys wtf do I do?

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Re: Register to Vote

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:41 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:That’s fine, I thought it was funny. I didn’t claim it was true, I just pointed out in debate that was a reason given for Labour and Lib Dem’s wanting the vote on the 9th.

In her attempt to prove me wrong she found in fact it’s does happen. That’s funny.

I know you think there is no vote rigging going on.

Continue in your bubble, that’s fine.

I'm impressed with the amount of bullshit you've managed to pack into this one post.

You share an anecdote you don't claim to be true. You then claim it supports your conclusion anyway. You make a false assumption about what i think and then mock me for it.

Do you ever wonder why no one believes you?

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Re: Will you change your normal vote?

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:44 pm

Steve1956 wrote:My first vote in Scotland....F**k!!!!!,help me guys wtf do I do?
you're voting in Scotland. Westminster doesn't give a **** about you anyway.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by LoveCurryPies » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:45 pm

Anyone know if the Brexit Party will be standing in the December election?

Has Farage made a deal, not to stand, with Boris?

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Re: Register to Vote

Post by dsr » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:48 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Interestingly we had a debate at work on Monday about the fight over the date of the 9th and the date of the 12th.
It had been suggested that it was because Students are still at uni.
It was suggested by a commentator that students vote twice, once in the Uni city and at home by postal vote .

I mentioned this at work, a friend at work last night mentioned the same to his wife who was enraged I had suggested such behaviour.
In an attempt to put me back in my box she contacted 2 current students at Uni, who both confirmed they voted twice.

She was apoplectic.
Did they know they were breaking the law?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by LoveCurryPies » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:49 pm

If 16 is old enough to serve in the Armed Forces then it should be old enough to give them the vote. However, I fear there isn’t time to make this work by December.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by dsr » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:51 pm

ksrclaret wrote:God I always thought dsr was just an aggressive bore, a right-wing aggressive bore, who tries to enforce his boringness on everyone else, but just a bore.

I'd no idea dsr was such an extremist. Scary to think who you've been sharing a message board with.
At risk of trying to talk sense, saying someone "belongs" to a particular country or that that country "belongs" to them, is not controversial. If I visit Germany, short term or long term, I still belong to Britain. If I emigrate to Germany and get a German passport, then I belong to Germany. Or if I get dual nationality, then I belong to both.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:51 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:Anyone know if the Brexit Party will be standing in the December election?

Has Farage made a deal, not to stand, with Boris?
There's no deal as far as I know. But if there is I expect Farage to demand something huge from Boris, like the Deputy PM role. He might prefer the US ambassadorship though.

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Re: Register to Vote

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:53 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm impressed with the amount of bullshit you've managed to pack into this one post.

You share an anecdote you don't claim to be true. You then claim it supports your conclusion anyway. You make a false assumption about what i think and then mock me for it.

Do you ever wonder why no one believes you?

To be honest, I don’t care if anyone believes it or not.
It is true, to be fair.

However, drawing attention to these issues is important.

And also to be fair, I have no idea why parties would push for this except for the point it facilitates two votes.

Why else is it important??

Please enlighten me to other reasons

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by LoveCurryPies » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:54 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:There's no deal as far as I know. But if there is I expect Farage to demand something huge from Boris, like the Deputy PM role. He might prefer the US ambassadorship though.
:shock:

A Knighthood ?

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Re: Register to Vote

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:55 pm

dsr wrote:Did they know they were breaking the law?
I am sure they do.

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Re: Register to Vote

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:55 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:To be honest, I don’t care if anyone believes it or not.
It is true, to be fair.

However, drawing attention to these issues is important.

And also to be fair, I have no idea why parties would push for this except for the point it facilitates two votes.

Why else is it important??

Please enlighten me to other reasons
Have you reported these two students to the police?

And i've explained to you why they want a Dec 9th vote. A Dec 12th vote would make no difference to those who want to vote in two constituencies anyway, because they'd be postal voting in their Uni constituency and in-person voting at home.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:57 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:Anyone know if the Brexit Party will be standing in the December election?

Has Farage made a deal, not to stand, with Boris?
Stewart Scott is the Brexit PPC for Burnley.

Life long claret, goes home and away.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Mala591 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:00 pm

If you want to remain then vote Lib Dem
If you want to leave with Johnson's deal then vote Conservative

The choice is yours. Either way DEMOCRACY will be the winner.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:04 pm

Spijed wrote:Guardian live update

Government will pull bill if amendments to give vote to EU nationals or 16- and 17-year-olds pass, says No 10 source
Peter Walker Peter Walker
If anyone had any doubt about this, Downing Street has confirmed it will withdraw the general election bill if MPs attach amendments to extend votes to either 16- and 17-year olds, or EU nationals.

Boris Johnson’s spokesman had already said such a move would bring “administrative chaos”, and go against the convention that changes to the franchise are done over time and via consultation, but went no further.

However, a No 10 source confirmed such amendments would be fatal to the bill:

You cannot honestly argue that you are supporting an election on 12 December and vote for a change in the franchise. It’s quite clear a vote to change the franchise would create a six-month delay.


Why stop at 16??

Why not allow 14, 12, 10 years olds.

Perhaps we can have postal votes from birth.


Trying to change long standing rules such as this should be done over time in considered arenas.

It just comes across as allow anyone to vote who we think will be on our side.

Adding EU residents is slightly dangerous.

How long do they have to have been here?? Can we just get coach loads of EU nationals to register and just bring them over on the day.

This obvious drive to try to fix the vote is so obvious it’s embarrassing.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by martin_p » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:05 pm

AndyClaret wrote:No EU country allows EU nationals to vote in general elections.
I thought we wanted to make our own decisions. Taking back control!
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:08 pm

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:12 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Why stop at 16??

Why not allow 14, 12, 10 years olds.

Perhaps we can have postal votes from birth.


Trying to change long standing rules such as this should be done over time in considered arenas.

It just comes across as allow anyone to vote who we think will be on our side.

Adding EU residents is slightly dangerous.

How long do they have to have been here?? Can we just get coach loads of EU nationals to register and just bring them over on the day.

This obvious drive to try to fix the vote is so obvious it’s embarrassing.
If individuals are able to work and contribute, and as mentioned above are able to serve in the armed forces at 16 then they are entitled to have a say in how our country is run. Stop being a belmtard by suggesting postal votes from birth

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:13 pm

You're allowed to start a family at 16 so how can anyone justify arguing against giving 16 year olds the right to vote? It's hilarious seeing people try.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:17 pm

Calm down everyone, the amendments have been ruled out of order.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:19 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Calm down everyone, the amendments have been ruled out of order.
As they should be at this time

But they certainly should be considered as reasonable policy

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Re: Register to Vote

Post by Bainsyclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:20 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Interestingly we had a debate at work on Monday about the fight over the date of the 9th and the date of the 12th.
It had been suggested that it was because Students are still at uni.
It was suggested by a commentator that students vote twice, once in the Uni city and at home by postal vote .

I mentioned this at work, a friend at work last night mentioned the same to his wife who was enraged I had suggested such behaviour.
In an attempt to put me back in my box she contacted 2 current students at Uni, who both confirmed they voted twice.

She was apoplectic.
Students can't vote twice. They can register in 2 places ( home and uni town) and then choose where to vote.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:21 pm

I don’t agree with having a GE which will in essence just be a referendum on Brexit but a referendum which will end up with another hung parliament. What do we do then?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:23 pm

Jess Philips absolutely knocking it out of the park now.

Stunningly accurate

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:24 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:I don’t agree with having a GE which will in essence just be a referendum on Brexit but a referendum which will end up with another hung parliament. What do we do then?
We have another general election, i guess. That seems to be the logic of those who argue against a referendum, that it will lead to repeat after repeat. :lol:

Remember, we're only allowed to change our mind on which MP to vote for. We're not allowed to change our mind on Brexit, because that would be undemocratic. Or something. I forget how the dumb ***** justify their dumbfuckery.

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Re: Register to Vote

Post by AndyClaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:24 pm

Bainsyclaret wrote:Students can't vote twice. They can register in 2 places ( home and uni town) and then choose where to vote.
They can in local elections.

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Re: Will you change your normal vote?

Post by Steve1956 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:26 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:you're voting in Scotland. Westminster doesn't give a **** about you anyway.
Oh ok,I can just sit on my hands then and watch the fun unfold then?

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by AndyClaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:26 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Jess Philips absolutely knocking it out of the park now.

Stunningly accurate
Talk about hearing what you want to hear.
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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Steve1956 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:28 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Jess Philips absolutely knocking it out of the park now.

Stunningly accurate
She really is a gobby tw@t just imagine being married to something like that.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:28 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Talk about hearing what you want to hear.
Pretty sure she was referring to what happens with Brexit. But sure, pretend you don't know that because of what you want to hear.

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Re: Register to Vote

Post by Bainsyclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:29 pm

AndyClaret wrote:They can in local elections.
You are right! I meant a GE

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Re: Register to Vote

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:29 pm

Bainsyclaret wrote:Students can't vote twice. They can register in 2 places ( home and uni town) and then choose where to vote.
Does that also apply to 1 student with 2 identities, you can easily change your surname online legally by deed poll & use that new name elsewhere, basically transfer the new name onto your driving licence ect, whilst using the old name as well. I know I've done it not for fraudently purposes, may I add.

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Re: General Election Is On

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:38 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Talk about hearing what you want to hear.
I heard the five minute bit where she said the current electoral rules are not fit for purpose.

Not like you to pick up on just what you want to is it?

You haven't posted a poll for 24 hours!

Are you ill or something?

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