RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:46 pm

Unbelievably! Mystic McCartney, actually, strikes again!!!

Who said the photo is misleading?

martin_p wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:45 pm

I suspect you’re jealous because she’s got more than one pair of shoes.

Knowing her standard on figures, I suspect Diane Abbot believes she's got more than one pair of feet!!!!!!!!!!

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:48 pm

Knowing her standard on figures, I suspect Diane Abbot believes she's got more than one pair of feet!!!!!!!!!!

Mr Pot meet Mr Kettle.

I feel a bit mean poking fun at Abbott, because she's obviously not well.
The problem is, despite not being well, she will be given one of the top jobs in a Corbyn government, and without wanting to discriminate against people with mental illness, the thought of someone who cannot function well enough to get dressed, making huge descisions that will affect us all is frightening

She started off with a matching pair but had to take off her shoes to count over 10. She then got a bit confused with the big numbers and put the wrong shoes on.

martin_p wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:48 pm

Who said the photo is misleading?

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:48 pm

Weird how she's got different coloured feet. Wait, no! It couldn't be photoshopped could it?

I reckon at least one person on here believes it's real.

Damo wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:50 pm

... the thought of someone who cannot function well enough to get dressed, making huge descisions that will affect us all is frightening

Indeed https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tings.html

Damo wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:50 pm

I feel a bit mean poking fun at Abbott, because she's obviously not well.
The problem is, despite not being well, she will be given one of the top jobs in a Corbyn government, and without wanting to discriminate against people with mental illness, the thought of someone who cannot function well enough to get dressed, making huge descisions that will affect us all is frightening

You’re right, this is much better!

Bloody hell Damo!

You've not brought the predicted wrath from the gaggle.

You've unleashed a Snowflake Tsunami !

martin_p wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:55 pm

You’re right, this is much better!

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It's Roy Chubby Brown

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:31 pm

Weird how she's got different coloured feet. Wait, no! It couldn't be photoshopped could it?

I reckon at least one person on here believes it's real.

It looks like one jean leg and one black track suit leg too. It’s already been on the Sun, Mail, Express and others websites.
If there is one thing this highlights, true or false, it is how manipulated we all are in elections now. I wouldn’t have questioned the picture once. Now my reaction is, ‘is it fake?’, with the lies, disinformation and fakery, who knows what is real?
It’s serious, one party’s failings can be splashed across the headlines, whilst another’s you have to do your own research to find. Some parties using advertising and marketing people to run their campaigns, others relying on their own activists. Huge differences in the sums of money available to spend on campaigns. Social media hit by large scale bot operations.
I’ve said it before, but how can you have a democracy without balanced truthful information?

Back to the thread, now the campaigns are over a clear image has emerged of the strategies over the last week. Labour on the offensive targeting leave voting marginals held by Conservatives, Conservatives defending what they already have. I do wonder if Labour internal polling has informed this strategy because it's starkly different from where the campaign began. Consolidation might seem tempting but by definition won't improve what Labour already has. This time tomorrow we'll know if the strategy was an act of genius or desperation.

It makes you wonder what effect the weather will have on turnout.
All the labour voters who are not out of bed yet may think twice about venturing out of the house when they draw back the curtains

Well, Spiral, being one of the spivs who will profit from a Tory victory, short term via a multitude of bets via Mr. Coral and long-term by their bias towards society's "haves", I'd be happier with the latter.

I suspect it's more likely to be the older Tories who will be complacent enough not to venture out.

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:09 pm

I suspect it's more likely to be the older Tories who will be complacent enough not to venture out.

Wishfull thinking

Wishful thinking ? In what way ?
I need the old buggers to turn out - especially in Cornwall.

I'd say the older voters are more likely to brave the weather conditions than the youth/student vote.

Only an idiot would vote Tory.

Don't be an idiot...

Vote Labour

The Abbott picture is a photoshop.

Proper gutter stuff, this.

Damo's 'mental illness' comment one of the most shameful things I've read on this thread.

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:01 pm

I'd say the older voters are more likely to brave the weather conditions than the youth/student vote.

Mmmm, not so sure, especially if the old uns reckon it's already done and dusted. We shall see no doubt.

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:30 pm

The Abbott picture is a photoshop.

Proper gutter stuff, this.

Damo's 'mental illness' comment one of the most shameful things I've read on this thread.

People are too quick to believe this crap and comment accordingly. Our other resident bellend and his gang are equally guilty of it.
I hope to God that, come tomorrow - whatever the result - CT has the courage to ask people to post their political views on one dedicated thread only and enable those with a life beyond Brexit and the other divisive ballcocks to get on with nattering about stuff that matters.

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:30 pm

The Abbott picture is a photoshop.

Proper gutter stuff, this.

Damo's 'mental illness' comment one of the most shameful things I've read on this thread.

You’re right about the mental illness comment, but unless the Labour Party candidate in the photo with her photoshopped it before she tweeted it I’m not sure how it’s fake.

martin_p wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:04 pm

You’re right about the mental illness comment, but unless the Labour Party candidate in the photo with her photoshopped it before she tweeted it I’m not sure how it’s fake.

She looks to have the correct ones on other photos of her doing the rounds.
Suppose she could have nipped home.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:01 pm

Back to the thread, now the campaigns are over a clear image has emerged of the strategies over the last week. Labour on the offensive targeting leave voting marginals held by Conservatives, Conservatives defending what they already have. I do wonder if Labour internal polling has informed this strategy because it's starkly different from where the campaign began. Consolidation might seem tempting but by definition won't improve what Labour already has. This time tomorrow we'll know if the strategy was an act of genius or desperation.

The strategy that occurs to me is the Brexit Party one.

I think they are fibbing and are deliberately targeting Tory voters not Labour ones so that Corbyn wins more seats.

That may mean a small Tory majority and thus total power to the ERG for a hard Brexit. Otherwise Johnson may pivot back with a big majority.

It would be the biggest political gamble of modern times by Farage, risking no Brexit at all.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:47 pm

The strategy that occurs to me is the Brexit Party one.

I think they are fibbing and are deliberately targeting Tory voters not Labour ones so that Corbyn wins more seats.

That may mean a small Tory majority and thus total power to the ERG for a hard Brexit. Otherwise Johnson may pivot back with a big majority.

It would be the biggest political gamble of modern times by Farage, risking no Brexit at all.

On the other hand, when Brexit happens Farage disappears. If it doesn't he can start all over again.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:32 pm

She looks to have the correct ones on other photos of her doing the rounds.
Suppose she could have nipped home.

Is she capable of finding her way home?

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:47 pm

The strategy that occurs to me is the Brexit Party one.

I think they are fibbing and are deliberately targeting Tory voters not Labour ones so that Corbyn wins more seats.

That may mean a small Tory majority and thus total power to the ERG for a hard Brexit. Otherwise Johnson may pivot back with a big majority.

It would be the biggest political gamble of modern times by Farage, risking no Brexit at all.

I think you're giving Farage too much credit here. Johnson came along with the same shtick of being a man of the people and saying that he was going to get Brexit done and that basically took away all of Farage's selling points. Since then he's been desperately scrambling for relevance whilst his company sinks like a lead balloon.

Damo wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:50 pm

I feel a bit mean poking fun at Abbott, because she's obviously not well.
The problem is, despite not being well, she will be given one of the top jobs in a Corbyn government, and without wanting to discriminate against people with mental illness, the thought of someone who cannot function well enough to get dressed, making huge descisions that will affect us all is frightening

Damo, isn't it possible that Diane has given her good pairs of shoes to people who have none?

Remember the story of the guy who turned up at the funeral with "brown boots" - when everyone else was wearing black.

This evening I'm wearing a very floral tie - mostly blues and reds - and a cream shirt with an abstract grey/swirly patterns - and white socks (that's a first for me). It's Xmas party night at work - and this is the closest I can get to "70s disco." (I think they mean 1970s.... though perhaps it is "over 70s).

Just seen on twitter:
The odds of a hung Parliament are shortening really quite noticeably on Betfair. Several days ago they hit 9/2. At the start of the day they were more than 3/1. At the time of writing they're below 2/1 - and shortening.

Just had a look and no overall majority is now down to 6/4.

martin_p wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:55 pm

You’re right, this is much better!

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So horrendous! Big tits and all!
Who wants a lump like that in charge?

aggi wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:35 pm

Just seen on twitter:
The odds of a hung Parliament are shortening really quite noticeably on Betfair. Several days ago they hit 9/2. At the start of the day they were more than 3/1. At the time of writing they're below 2/1 - and shortening.

Just had a look and no overall majority is now down to 6/4.

I wouldn't take a great deal of notice of what's happening on Betfair just yet there's not a great deal of liquidity in there.And it's back out to 2/1 I managed to get 11/4 hopefully trade out.I think a lot of layers have done their cobblers in past elections playing on something they know little about

Canterbury is now a marginal seat thanks to an influx of Londoners as over-spill for deprived boroughs.

Last election Labour won (by 187 votes) by offering 'sweeties to children' in the from of 'Free tuition fees for Students' (who make up half the town's population in term-time).

When I've voted in the past, I've often been the only voter at the polling station but today it was packed.

I genuinely don't understand why students are allowed to vote where they go to uni. The vast majority of them are only there for 40 weeks a year for 3 years. Most aren't starting a career there or raising a family, etc. They are a separate community with little in common with the residents. Is this a fair comment ?

martin_p wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:04 pm

You’re right about the mental illness comment, but unless the Labour Party candidate in the photo with her photoshopped it before she tweeted it I’m not sure how it’s fake.

The "Diane Abbott's shoes" thing is testimony to how **** everything is.

I think she was wearing odd shoes at one point. The picture originated from a Labour MP"s Twitter account and they've deleted the tweet, tellingly. Probably a good reason, stood in a puddle, sole dropped off, whatever. Don't care. Disagree strongly with her politics. Don't give a flying f*** about a footwear malfunction.

But neither the side attacking her in a f***tard of stupidity over something trivial or the side shouting, "Fake!" with no regard for whether it is or not, come out of it well.

Fenwick wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:28 pm

I genuinely don't understand why students are allowed to vote where they go to uni. The vast majority of them are only there for 40 weeks a year for 3 years. Most aren't starting a career there or raising a family, etc. They are a separate community with little in common with the residents. Is this a fair comment ?

Should probably start with the many Peers of the land who make our laws but don't live or pay tax in the UK.

CombatClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:34 pm

Should probably start with the many Peers of the land who make our laws but don't live or pay tax in the UK.

I agree with that. They need culling... I mean reforming

Fenwick wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:28 pm

I genuinely don't understand why students are allowed to vote where they go to uni. The vast majority of them are only there for 40 weeks a year for 3 years. Most aren't starting a career there or raising a family, etc. They are a separate community with little in common with the residents. Is this a fair comment ?

No its rubbish. I live in a student area and they completely integrate and have a massive influence on the local community. I doubt they have anywhere near the involvement or impact in their mum and dads communities when they return to the parental home for the holiday periods

Fenwick wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:44 pm

I agree with that. They need culling... I mean reforming

Totally agree yes there is a need for a 2nd chamber,but it needs to come into the 21st century,you could certainly debate why the unelected HOL has more members than the elected HOC for a start,how is this justified when most of the public have no idea what role the Lords actually take,and peerages are given out far too readily,usually by the governing party to ensure their legislation can't be blocked.

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:26 pm

muppet.jpg

sums up how the nations feels.

Just heard that people are having problems casting their votes in Burnley.
Apparently everytime someone puts a cross in the box, Ben Mee clears it

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:46 pm

No its rubbish. I live in a student area and they completely integrate and have a massive influence on the local community. I doubt they have anywhere near the involvement or impact in their mum and dads communities when they return to the parental home for the holiday periods

It would be interesting to see how seats would be affected if students voted in their home rather than university constituencies. Obviously places like Hallam and headingley would lose a lot of Labour, Green and maybe LD votes but would those votes make a difference when spread around the country?

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:11 pm

It would be interesting to see how seats would be affected if students voted in their home rather than university constituencies. Obviously places like Hallam and headingley would lose a lot of Labour, Green and maybe LD votes but would those votes make a difference when spread around the country?

Having a choice is huge - students can choose where to vote tactically, most of us don't have that luxury. It’s a huge advantage to Labour.

Here in Hallam it makes a big difference, Lib Dems would get in every time otherwise.

I disagree with D.A. Students should have a postal vote for where they come from.

Damo wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:05 pm

Just heard that people are having problems casting their votes in Burnley.
Apparently everytime someone puts a cross in the box, Ben Mee clears it

Not very likely at the moment...

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:11 pm

It would be interesting to see how seats would be affected if students voted in their home rather than university constituencies. Obviously places like Hallam and headingley would lose a lot of Labour, Green and maybe LD votes but would those votes make a difference when spread around the country?

I live in Headingley and what people dont understand its a lot more than the students who are at uni who form the political dominance. The make up of the area is like it is because it has a lot of working people in their 20's who stay on after uni in the area and then go on to start families here in their 30's

The locals who live here integrate so much you find they either become more like minded or the type of locals who live there do so because the embrace the mix of ages, cultures and views and have a very liberal / green / labour out look themselve.

Take the student votes away and it would have little impact, take the university away and Headingley would become unreconisable in no time at all

Final forecast on Electoral Calculus has a Tory Government with a 58 seat majority !!
Labour to retain Burnley by 174 votes ......

I'm still sticking to Labour by 1,500 to 2,500 in Burnley , and a single figure Tory majority ....

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:23 pm

I live in Headingley and what people dont understand its a lot more than the students who are at uni who form the political dominance. The make up of the area is like it is because it has a lot of working people in their 20's who stay on after uni in the area and then go on to start families here in their 30's

The locals who live here integrate so much you find they either become more like minded or the type of locals who live there do so because the embrace the mix of ages, cultures and views and have a very liberal / green / labour out look themselve.

Take the student votes away and it would have little impact, take the university away and Headingley would become unreconisable in no time at all

Yes, I've lived up there myself. Is headingley Leeds central constituency? That's al massive area that also covers beeston and Middleton in South Leeds, where the "traditional" labour vote is strong.