Alleged "Racist" Burnley fan - case dropped
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Alleged "Racist" Burnley fan - case dropped
The trial of a 19 year old Burnley fan accused of racist comments towards Gaton Bong, during the game at Brighton, been abandoned.
Police body cam evidence shows that they arrested the wrong man!
Not sure what's happening with the case against the father
Police body cam evidence shows that they arrested the wrong man!
Not sure what's happening with the case against the father
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But what about all those fans who had already gave him the guilty verdict?
Wow a wrong man arrested and accused by many,
He must feel terrible.
What a waste of his and everyone else's time, and resources.
Wow a wrong man arrested and accused by many,
He must feel terrible.
What a waste of his and everyone else's time, and resources.
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Case against the father also dropped now. Magistrates non too pleased that this evidence had been withheld
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From the sounds of it this is very poor.
We should expect better of our public servants.
We should expect better of our public servants.
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Has Chris Kamara would say unbelievable Jeff
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The cool thing about our justice system (or at least how it used to be, and sometimes still is) is that people are found guilty in a trial, not in the media, and that accusation does not equal guilt.MACCA wrote:But what about all those fans who had already gave him the guilty verdict?
Wow a wrong man arrested and accused by many,
He must feel terrible.
What a waste of his and everyone else's time, and resources.
Imagine if this guy had no right to a trial. The police then wouldn't need to worry about their evidence proving his innocence because the accusation would mean he's guilty.
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I guess this is what happens when we live in a country which has human rights and due process and doesn't rely on mob rule
Plenty on here should remember this next time they want to just string some one up without trial
Plenty on here should remember this next time they want to just string some one up without trial
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The Burnley Express named the witness who made the allegations on a FB article.
Probably not the wisest thing to do.
Probably not the wisest thing to do.
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Sorry if this is a daft question, but why didn't they use the body cam evidence to find the right person?
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some aren't the sharpest of tools...TheFamilyCat wrote:Sorry if this is a daft question, but why didn't they use the body cam evidence to find the right person?
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Brilliant stuff!
The police, stewards and BHA were way way over the top that day, so much so that it stopped me going this season.
I have been every time we played them up until this, in Feb they just seemed hell bent on chucking any accusations at any Burnley fan. I heard comments made about Jay-Rod - the lot.
Disgusting football club, who, lets face it love to play the victim and homophobic and now racist card at every chance.
One club I hope truly dies one day.
The police, stewards and BHA were way way over the top that day, so much so that it stopped me going this season.
I have been every time we played them up until this, in Feb they just seemed hell bent on chucking any accusations at any Burnley fan. I heard comments made about Jay-Rod - the lot.
Disgusting football club, who, lets face it love to play the victim and homophobic and now racist card at every chance.
One club I hope truly dies one day.
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The witness’s name is all over the place within the reporting of the case.Quickenthetempo wrote:The Burnley Express named the witness who made the allegations on a FB article.
Probably not the wisest thing to do.
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Anybody asked Andy Naylor how he is. He was sure it happened
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Naylor is with The Athletic nowLocal cricketer wrote:Anybody asked Andy Naylor how he is. He was sure it happened
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The uncool thing is that accusation stays in the media, the guilt by media remains and being charged even if not convicted will always be on his record*Imploding Turtle wrote:The cool thing about our justice system (or at least how it used to be, and sometimes still is) is that people are found guilty in a trial, not in the media, and that accusation does not equal guilt.
Imagine if this guy had no right to a trial. The police then wouldn't need to worry about their evidence proving his innocence because the accusation would mean he's guilty.
*unofficially obviously
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That's no ones fault but our own.cricketfieldclarets wrote:The uncool thing is that accusation stays in the media, the guilt by media remains and being charged even if not convicted will always be on his record*
*unofficially obviously
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Hope that they're now being reimbursed for all the costs which they will have incurrued traveling to Brighton on numerous occasions for the court appearances!
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So how have you come to that conclusion?Imploding Turtle wrote:That's no ones fault but our own.
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Because if the media reports that someone is accused, and we read it as if they are guilty, then that's our fault.Leisure wrote:So how have you come to that conclusion?
I accept that my point was unclear.
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ClaretTony wrote:Naylor is with The Athletic now
He was the biggest cheerleader off the lot
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I’ll be interested to see how Burnley deal with racist behaviour too as one of lads who comes on the turf with us has reported a person for monkey chanting at Odoi at the weekend.
I didn’t personally hear it but it’ll be interesting to see what paths the club go down to find out what happened.
I didn’t personally hear it but it’ll be interesting to see what paths the club go down to find out what happened.
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The club have said on a number of occasions that they have a zero tolerance policy in terms of racism. You would hope that they will take any appropriate action.bfccrazy wrote:I’ll be interested to see how Burnley deal with racist behaviour too as one of lads who comes on the turf with us has reported a person for monkey chanting at Odoi at the weekend.
I didn’t personally hear it but it’ll be interesting to see what paths the club go down to find out what happened.
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Can happily confirm that this is the case from my limited dealings with the club on this issue.ClaretTony wrote:The club have said on a number of occasions that they have a zero tolerance policy in terms of racism. You would hope that they will take any appropriate action.
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So you think this lad, who is obviously innocent, should be allowed to be named when not guilty? Especially if a relatively serious offence. Particularly when it’s likely in this day and age he works with people of various backgrounds?Imploding Turtle wrote:Because if the media reports that someone is accused, and we read it as if they are guilty, then that's our fault.
I accept that my point was unclear.
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He was accused. That's all. If we as individuals are stupid enough to not understand that just because someone is accused of a crime it doesn't make them guilty of it then that's our fault, not the medias.cricketfieldclarets wrote:So you think this lad, who is obviously innocent, should be allowed to be named when not guilty? Especially if a relatively serious offence. Particularly when it’s likely in this day and age he works with people of various backgrounds?
If you want to have a discussion on whether the identities of anyone accused of a crime should be public public record then that's a different discussion, but it's not the media's fault that they report facts while their readers are morons who can't comprehend those facts correctly.
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Ok. So tomorrow when I accuse you of a sinister, severe crime you are cool with the media reporting when your back door gets hammered and you spend some time in custody even though you aren’t guilty? And you are happy with whatever spin they put on it?Imploding Turtle wrote:He was accused. That's all. If we as individuals are stupid enough to not understand that just because someone is accused of a crime it doesn't make them guilty of it then that's our fault, not the medias.
If you want to have a discussion on whether the identities of anyone accused of a crime should be public public record then that's a different discussion, but it's not the media's fault that they report facts while their readers are morons who can't comprehend those facts correctly.
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Of course I wouldn't be cool with it, and i'd sue the press if they unfairly maligned me. But if the press did nothing but report the facts then my problem will be with the idiots who read those facts and then misrepresented them, or misunderstood them. My issue won't be with the press.cricketfieldclarets wrote:Ok. So tomorrow when I accuse you of a sinister, severe crime you are cool with the media reporting when your back door gets hammered and you spend some time in custody even though you aren’t guilty? And you are happy with whatever spin they put on it?
I'd also definitely be suing you.
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okImploding Turtle wrote:Of course I wouldn't be cool with it, and i'd sue the press if they unfairly maligned me. But if the press did nothing but report the facts then my problem will be with the idiots who read those facts and then misrepresented them, or misunderstood them. My issue won't be with the press.
I'd also definitely be suing you.
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So you feel the same about Jimmy Saville or Cyril SmithImploding Turtle wrote:The cool thing about our justice system (or at least how it used to be, and sometimes still is) is that people are found guilty in a trial, not in the media, and that accusation does not equal guilt.
Imagine if this guy had no right to a trial. The police then wouldn't need to worry about their evidence proving his innocence because the accusation would mean he's guilty.
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Whilst we are talking about racism and guilt and see Bulgaria have been given a pitiful punishment following the antics the other week.
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The OP isn't how I've seen it reported, definitely no mention of arresting the wrong people.
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But no evidence to prove they were guilty.Walton wrote:The OP isn't how I've seen it reported, definitely no mention of arresting the wrong people.
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You understand the purpose of a trial is to make public and weigh the evidence, right? Has the evidence against them NOT been made public and weighed?Dy1geo wrote:So you feel the same about Jimmy Saville or Cyril Smith
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Other than the witnesses' word, no.Leisure wrote:But no evidence to prove they were guilty.
I recall the thread on here, quite a few witnessed it.
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A witness has to be considered to be reliable.
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I wrote an academic paper on race graphics and modernism and it was rejected because they said 'race graphics' was a term unacceptable, people might then start calling Lewis Hamilton a racist etc.
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There was never any racism in Modernism, we just didn't like Rockers.Pstotto wrote:I wrote an academic paper on race graphics and modernism and it was rejected because they said 'race graphics' was a term unacceptable, people might then start calling Lewis Hamilton a racist etc.
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In what way did they witness it? And if they actually did, why were they not called as witnesses?Walton wrote:Other than the witnesses' word, no.
I recall the thread on here, quite a few witnessed it.
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You can call them but they may well not turn up, even though they have agreed to and made statements. .A common occurrence which infuriates The CPS.
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And his DNA.cricketfieldclarets wrote:The uncool thing is that accusation stays in the media, the guilt by media remains and being charged even if not convicted will always be on his record*
*unofficially obviously
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Mr Johnson's lot wish to remove such rights from the masses.Devils_Advocate wrote:I guess this is what happens when we live in a country which has human rights and due process and doesn't rely on mob rule
Plenty on here should remember this next time they want to just string some one up without trial
Beware!
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It's disappointing to see so much support for this trial being dropped.
I have personally witnessed both of the defendants using outrageously offensive language and racist on a coach to Crystal Palace with the Boundary Clarets in 2017. I remember it well because I couldn't believe what I was hearing throughout most of that trip, and because it was the same day as the Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Klitschko fight at Wembley stadium. I remember the father, Stewart saying that he didn't want Joshua to win "because he was a N***a" and a "black "b******", words used frequently again on the drive into the London towards the general public, as they pressed their faces up against the coach window.
I submitted this information to the club at the time, but nothing came of it and I vowed never to travel with the Boundary Clarets (Though it's not their fault) ever again.
I have personally witnessed both of the defendants using outrageously offensive language and racist on a coach to Crystal Palace with the Boundary Clarets in 2017. I remember it well because I couldn't believe what I was hearing throughout most of that trip, and because it was the same day as the Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Klitschko fight at Wembley stadium. I remember the father, Stewart saying that he didn't want Joshua to win "because he was a N***a" and a "black "b******", words used frequently again on the drive into the London towards the general public, as they pressed their faces up against the coach window.
I submitted this information to the club at the time, but nothing came of it and I vowed never to travel with the Boundary Clarets (Though it's not their fault) ever again.
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Academic paper for who?Pstotto wrote:I wrote an academic paper on race graphics and modernism and it was rejected because they said 'race graphics' was a term unacceptable, people might then start calling Lewis Hamilton a racist etc.
Rejected by who?
Why is race graphics unacceptable?
How would accepting an academic paper result in people calling Lewis Hamilton a racist?
Why do you bother typing such total and utter bullshit?
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They have been released on a technicality, they have been found neither guilty or not guilty. The prosecution have failed to make some item available to the defence for them to look at. This item might be of interest, or it may not, we don't know, just the fact that it wasn't disclosed led to the case folding. David Beckham and others have benefited in similar ways.
Now I know it's not the most reliable newspaper going, but prior to yesterday the Lancashire telegraph were reporting that their defence was that it was just banter, suggesting that they did say something, therefore the correct people were standing trial.
Now I know it's not the most reliable newspaper going, but prior to yesterday the Lancashire telegraph were reporting that their defence was that it was just banter, suggesting that they did say something, therefore the correct people were standing trial.
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A Burnley fan who was witness for the prosecution testified that Nathan, the son, replied to him saying, "It's just banter, it's just football", when he asked them to stop.Grumps wrote:They have been released on a technicality, they have been found neither guilty or not guilty. The prosecution have failed to make some item available to the defence for them to look at. This item might be of interest, or it may not, we don't know, just the fact that it wasn't disclosed led to the case folding. David Beckham and others have benefited in similar ways.
Now I know it's not the most reliable newspaper going, but prior to yesterday the Lancashire telegraph were reporting that their defence was that it was just banter, suggesting that they did say something, therefore the correct people were standing trial.
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The case was dropped as it was deemed that given the oversight/f*** up by the Police, they would not be able to guarantee a fair trial.
They have not been found guilty, nor have they been been acquitted and found to be innocent, which given the concerns raised by fellow clarets about their previous behaviour, raises an eyebrow or two
They have not been found guilty, nor have they been been acquitted and found to be innocent, which given the concerns raised by fellow clarets about their previous behaviour, raises an eyebrow or two
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I wrote a thesis about having a 12 inch penis but it was rejected by all my previous lovers.
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Not me darling I remember our shenanigans at the Cats WhiskersClaretAndJew wrote:I wrote a thesis about having a 12 inch penis but it was rejected by all my previous lovers.
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It was the Hop actuallyCharlieinNewMexico wrote:Not me darling I remember our shenanigans at the Cats Whiskers
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That was you? My apologies daddy.