Twitter to ban all political advertising from November 22nd

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:34 pm

Twitter is to ban all political advertising worldwide, saying that the reach of such messages "should be earned, not bought".

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I agree.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:52 pm

This has enraged the far-right. (what doesn't?)

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:56 pm

We sucked in data... we had large sub samples... so we could target say women between 35-45 who live is these geographic entities who don't have a degree
We held back almost of of our budget and basically dumped it all in the last 10 days, really the last four days. We aimed it at roughly 7 million people who saw something like a billion and a half digital ads over a reletively short period of time. - Dominic Cummings - 'Why Leave Won'

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Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:00 pm

Some people will still blame the election result on fake news

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:03 pm

Damo wrote:Some people will still blame the election result on fake news

There's going to be a lot of fake news. Who do you think the fake news is going to mostly be in favour of?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:03 pm

I very much agree with this, too.

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houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:04 pm

This is a hard one for me. My total belief in absolute freedom of speech and expression would say that this is wrong - I hate any form of censorship. However I can fully understand and sympathise with the reasons behind this due to the stance of opposing the free spreading of lies for political gain.

Mmm!

I am truly split on this.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:05 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:There's going to be a lot of fake news. Who do you think the fake news is going to mostly be in favour of?

See, I was right

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:07 pm

houseboy wrote:This is a hard one for me. My total belief in absolute freedom of speech and expression would say that this is wrong - I hate any form of censorship. However I can fully understand and sympathise with the reasons behind this due to the stance of opposing the free spreading of lies for political gain.

Mmm!

I am truly split on this.

Controlling highly targeted, political advertising doesn't equate to censorship in my view. I think this is a good move and more social media firms need to follow (and Google)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:12 pm

Damo wrote:See, I was right

My post didn't prove you right, but your reply accidentally answered my question.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:14 pm

Damo wrote:Some people will still blame the election result on fake news

While Dominic Cummings head of Leave boasts about how effective it was...

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:17 pm

CombatClaret wrote:We sucked in data... we had large sub samples... so we could target say women between 35-45 who live is these geographic entities who don't have a degree
We held back almost of of our budget and basically dumped it all in the last 10 days, really the last four days. We aimed it at roughly 7 million people who saw something like a billion and a half digital ads over a reletively short period of time. - Dominic Cummings - 'Why Leave Won'

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Shouldn't this be removed to the 'one' Brexit thread - there are other (and some would say more important) things. I find it odd that every time a political thread starts there are those (mainly remainers wouldn't you know) who have to bring it all back to Brexit. For instance the actual report goes on mainly about American politics. The remain campaign has been the longest running political campaign in British history - 3 years of lies and half truths - and that is only after the democratic vote they lost.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:18 pm

One thing this doesn't address is the bot farms. We'll see a further rise in those as fake likes and retweets become the best way to spend dirty political money.

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:18 pm

CombatClaret wrote:While Dominic Cummings head of Leave boasts about how effective it was...

It's funny how from one side of their mouths these pieces of **** can delight in how effective fake news is, while the other side of their mouths tell idiots like the previous poster how they should tell everyone that it wasn't all that effective at all. And of course, those idiots will do as they're told. see above.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:20 pm

houseboy wrote:Shouldn't this be removed to the 'one' Brexit thread

Should a post specifically about the historical use of political advertising on social media be moved..? I can't see how it could be much more on topic, Brexit just happens to be the vessel.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:22 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Controlling highly targeted, political advertising doesn't equate to censorship in my view. I think this is a good move and more social media firms need to follow (and Google)

I agree and you are right and it is good that at least one form of social media is taking on responsibility. I am tending toward agreeing with it but it still goes slightly against my basic beliefs. I suppose I am a bit like the proverbial centipede who goes on happily walking with all his legs until someone asks him which one he moves first. He then can't move because of overthinking it.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:26 pm

CombatClaret wrote:Should a post specifically about the historical use of political advertising on social media be moved..? I can't see how it could be much more on topic, Brexit just happens to be the vessel.

The OP and the report don't mention Brexit but someone on here had to. Why? To use the leave campaign as an example of political lying is to ignore completely the fact that the remain campaign also lied and continues to do so. Or do you refuse to accept that?

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:28 pm

houseboy wrote:The OP and the report don't mention Brexit but someone on here had to. Why? To use the leave campaign as an example of political lying is to ignore completely the fact that the remain campaign also lied and continues to do so. Or do you refuse to accept that?

Cool, could you post some of the remain campaigns similarly egregious social media ads please, as this is what the topic relates to.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:34 pm

houseboy wrote:The OP and the report don't mention Brexit but someone on here had to. Why? To use the leave campaign as an example of political lying is to ignore completely the fact that the remain campaign also lied and continues to do so. Or do you refuse to accept that?

What lies did Remain tell that won them the referendum?
What lies are Remain still telling?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:39 pm

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:05 pm

This will achieve precisely nothing.

Both sides have paid accounts or media lackeys who will do a far better job of pushing agendas than paid ads will ever do.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:10 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's funny how from one side of their mouths these pieces of **** can delight in how effective fake news is, while the other side of their mouths tell idiots like the previous poster how they should tell everyone that it wasn't all that effective at all. And of course, those idiots will do as they're told. see above.

It's amazing how you switch from being the bastion of the integrity of debate, to becoming all abusive when your argument falls down.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:11 pm

claret_in_exile wrote:This will achieve precisely nothing.

Both sides have paid accounts or media lackeys who will do a far better job of pushing agendas than paid ads will ever do.

It helps Twitter to be able to say they don't earn money from the fake news, unlike Facebook. But you're right, people will still be able to post fake news and paid-for accounts will still be able to retweet it so that uncritical idiots can see it and believe it. These people are more often right-wing idiots as opposed to left-wing idiots.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:11 pm

Damo wrote:It's amazing how you switch from being the bastion of the integrity of debate, to becoming all abusive when your argument falls down.

How dare you, you rightwinger/racist/fascist/liar/****/********/idiot/climate killer/xenophobic/trump lover

* delete as you choose

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:14 pm

Damo wrote:It's amazing how you switch from being the bastion of the integrity of debate, to becoming all abusive when your argument falls down.

I'm very capable of having a debate with one person while at the same time being abusive to another. For example, i don't believe the reply you quoted was me talking to you, but i'm certain you've identified parts of it that you think are about you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:16 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:How dare you, you rightwinger/racist/fascist/liar/****/********/idiot/climate killer/xenophobic/trump lover

* delete as you choose

The height of UTC right-wing intellectualism right here, ladies and gents.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:21 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:The height of UTC right-wing intellectualism right here, ladies and gents.

here you again labelling (despite you being told many times basket case)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:24 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: here you again labelling (despite you being told many times basket case)

Criticises you for "labelling"

Labels you a "basket case"

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:33 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Criticises you for "labelling"

Labels you a "basket case"

The labelling was with regards to the right wing shite you do non stop when I have told you several times I find people who label themselves either left wing or right wing equally dumb.

The basket case comment is because you are a basket case

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:35 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I very much agree with this, too.

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Well that seems like a way to reinforce the status quo.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:35 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:The labelling was with regards to the right wing shite you do non stop when I have told you several times I find people who label themselves either left wing or right wing equally dumb.

The basket case comment is because you are a basket case

Who's labeling themselves left-wing or right-wing?

Oh. And now you're labeling people dumb after whining about labeling. I bet you've never whined about people calling other people names before, eh?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:49 pm

CombatClaret wrote:Cool, could you post some of the remain campaigns similarly egregious social media ads please, as this is what the topic relates to.

No because this is not a Brexit thread.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Who's labeling themselves left-wing or right-wing?

Oh. And now you're labeling people dumb after whining about labeling. I bet you've never whined about people calling other people names before, eh?

I can safely guarantee I am a million miles behind you when it comes to whining

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:51 pm

houseboy wrote:No because this is not a Brexit thread.

Then post them in the Brexit thread. (you won't though, will you?)

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:53 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:I can safely guarantee I am a million miles behind you when it comes to whining

And about the same distance behind the majority on here when it comes to self awareness

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:54 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:I can safely guarantee I am a million miles behind you when it comes to whining

You whine about being called right-wing.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:54 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:And about the same distance behind the majority on here when it comes to self awareness

Aww hello fluffer, I did wonder when you would pop up. You are never far from a turtle coat tail

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:What lies did Remain tell that won them the referendum?
What lies are Remain still telling?

I'm not going to be drawn into a Brexit argument, suffice to say if you don't remember 'project fear' you must have been sleeping a long time. And for every argument in favour of remain there is a counter argument for leave. There is no use arguing over it any more because no-one is going to change anyone's mind are they, that's why I get disappointed when remainers want to turn every political argument into a Brexit one. The next election is going to be farcical because no election should be fought on one issue and that is unfortunately what is going to happen. I want to vote Labour as my party of choice but I can't because they are largely pro-remain (Corbyn definitely is), I can't for the life in me vote Tory as that would break the habit of a lifetime and the Lib Dems are just a total remain party with a leader who has said she would still fight leave even if they won a second referendum (plus they will drop any policy to grab a handful of power). Because of bloody Brexit I am disenfranchised at the coming election. There are far more important issues in the medium to long term and they are just not being addressed. The irony is if it hadn't been for MPs completely ignoring the will of the people we would have the whole sorry thing over and done with.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:05 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Then post them in the Brexit thread. (you won't though, will you?)

No because I'm f*cking sick of it for the reasons I have posted.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:08 pm

houseboy wrote: I want to vote Labour as my party of choice but I can't because they are largely pro-remain (Corbyn definitely is)

Corbyn... Pro remain...

To keep us on topic I don't remember the 'project fear' social media adds, could you provide a few examples of paid for remain social media adds. You could certain put the Turkey Is Coming, Polar Bears Will Die under a project fear label. Even funnier though as Torys now saying 'Voters were warned there could be an economic hit' when in fact that was the very 'project fear' there were dismissing at the time.

houseboy wrote:remainers want to turn every political argument into a Brexit one

Topic on political advertising in social media, bemoans mentioning Cummings extolling the virtues and success of his political social media campaign.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:26 pm

CombatClaret wrote:Corbyn... Pro remain...

To keep us on topic I don't remember the 'project fear' social media adds, could you provide a few examples of paid for remain social media adds. You could certain put the Turkey Is Coming, Polar Bears Will Die under a project fear label. Even funnier though as Torys now saying 'Voters were warned there could be an economic hit' when in fact that was the very 'project fear' there were dismissing at the time.

Topic on political advertising in social media, bemoans mentioning Cummings extolling the virtues and success of his political social media campaign.

It is hard to know where old Jeremy stands on any subject but his actions are either those of a remainer or someone who just opposes anything the Tories come up with because he feels it is right to do so.
As for tying myself in knots that would never happen. I am simply referring to lies and counter lies WHEREVER they appeared. Tell me seriously bud, are you not absolutely sick to death of Brexit? I am a passionate 'leaver'. I voted leave and I actively campaigned against joining 40 odd years ago (but although we lost we didn't spend all our time whinging and moaning about the defeat we just accepted it as democracy). I have NEVER voted in a European election either. Despite all this I am sick to the back teeth of it now. When Brexit stories come on the TV I turn them off now. What will be will be.
I don't want to get embroiled in yet another Brexit argument but I post this reply to try to get across the way I feel about it all now. I have no interest at all in 'proving' what I say or 'backing up my argument', the internet is full of 'proofs' on both sides of any argument and we could be here all year. One person posts a link in favour of one argument then someone else posts an alternative 'proof'. Has anyone on this site, to the best of your knowledge, moved ground at all on this subject?
It's all a waste of time mate - it really is.
No offence meant to anyone whatever your beliefs.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:39 pm

houseboy wrote:It is hard to know where old Jeremy stands on any subject but his actions are either those of a remainer or someone who just opposes anything the Tories come up with because he feels it is right to do so.
As for tying myself in knots that would never happen. I am simply referring to lies and counter lies WHEREVER they appeared. Tell me seriously bud, are you not absolutely sick to death of Brexit? I am a passionate 'leaver'. I voted leave and I actively campaigned against joining 40 odd years ago (but although we lost we didn't spend all our time whinging and moaning about the defeat we just accepted it as democracy). I have NEVER voted in a European election either. Despite all this I am sick to the back teeth of it now. When Brexit stories come on the TV I turn them off now. What will be will be.
I don't want to get embroiled in yet another Brexit argument but I post this reply to try to get across the way I feel about it all now. I have no interest at all in 'proving' what I say or 'backing up my argument', the internet is full of 'proofs' on both sides of any argument and we could be here all year. One person posts a link in favour of one argument then someone else posts an alternative 'proof'. Has anyone on this site, to the best of your knowledge, moved ground at all on this subject?
It's all a waste of time mate - it really is.
No offence meant to anyone whatever your beliefs.

No I'm not sick to death of it, every day shows us how far we have come from the lies and broken promises of the leave campaign. I will never give up on up on something that most evidence points toward having negatives effect on the future the country for and removing rights of generations to come.

To give up on something because your bored of hearing is a little feeble, if Brexit were so amazing I would still be shouting it's virtues and positives from the hills. Now we're being told people are bored, just 'get on with it' despite all the myriad flaws. Also this won't be the end even if we left at midnight tonight, it will be a decade of rebuilding trade deals and overcoming the hurdles we will have thrown in front of ourselves.

That's why in this topic about social media political ads of course I'm going to bring up Brexit because it is one of the greatest example ever seen. I'm not bored, I will remind anyone who cares to listen of the utter sh*t show presented to voters in 2016.

I doubt I will change your mind either but I'm also just showing you mine.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:41 pm

houseboy wrote:No because I'm f*cking sick of it for the reasons I have posted.

But you said the reason you weren't posting them was because this isn't the brexit thread. Now you're saying it's because of something else.

Make your mind up.

Hey, look, you changed your mind. Shame we're not allowed to do that on Brexit.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:47 pm

houseboy wrote:It is hard to know where old Jeremy stands on any subject but his actions are either those of a remainer or someone who just opposes anything the Tories come up with because he feels it is right to do so.
As for tying myself in knots that would never happen. I am simply referring to lies and counter lies WHEREVER they appeared. Tell me seriously bud, are you not absolutely sick to death of Brexit? I am a passionate 'leaver'. I voted leave and I actively campaigned against joining 40 odd years ago (but although we lost we didn't spend all our time whinging and moaning about the defeat we just accepted it as democracy). I have NEVER voted in a European election either. Despite all this I am sick to the back teeth of it now. When Brexit stories come on the TV I turn them off now. What will be will be.
I don't want to get embroiled in yet another Brexit argument but I post this reply to try to get across the way I feel about it all now. I have no interest at all in 'proving' what I say or 'backing up my argument', the internet is full of 'proofs' on both sides of any argument and we could be here all year. One person posts a link in favour of one argument then someone else posts an alternative 'proof'. Has anyone on this site, to the best of your knowledge, moved ground at all on this subject?
It's all a waste of time mate - it really is.
No offence meant to anyone whatever your beliefs.

Good Post BTW, I can understand where you are coming from, it's boring & tedious, in life sometimes things need to be decided & the only way to do this is by having votes & the usual idea is to just accept the outcome even though sometimes you don't agree with it, that's what normally happens.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:45 pm

CombatClaret wrote:No I'm not sick to death of it, every day shows us how far we have come from the lies and broken promises of the leave campaign. I will never give up on up on something that most evidence points toward having negatives effect on the future the country for and removing rights of generations to come.

To give up on something because your bored of hearing is a little feeble, if Brexit were so amazing I would still be shouting it's virtues and positives from the hills. Now we're being told people are bored, just 'get on with it' despite all the myriad flaws. Also this won't be the end even if we left at midnight tonight, it will be a decade of rebuilding trade deals and overcoming the hurdles we will have thrown in front of ourselves.

That's why in this topic about social media political ads of course I'm going to bring up Brexit because it is one of the greatest example ever seen. I'm not bored, I will remind anyone who cares to listen of the utter sh*t show presented to voters in 2016.

I doubt I will change your mind either but I'm also just showing you mine.

No problem mate. I'm just as passionate about leaving for many and varied reasons - I just don't feel the need to bang on about it because we won the day. If however we wind up not leaving that will change the whole thing because that will require a fight for democracy that this country hasn't seen since the civil wars. If people cannot accept the result of a free and democratic vote and their only argument is that 'we were lied to' they show scant respect for that democracy. Every election or vote that has ever taken place anywhere has been and will be in the future full of lies and half truths on both sides.It's called politics, no-one believes a politician, it just depends what you want from that vote.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:47 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:But you said the reason you weren't posting them was because this isn't the brexit thread. Now you're saying it's because of something else.

Make your mind up.

Hey, look, you changed your mind. Shame we're not allowed to do that on Brexit.

What ARE you on about - have you been drinking again?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:56 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:Good Post BTW, I can understand where you are coming from, it's boring & tedious, in life sometimes things need to be decided & the only way to do this is by having votes & the usual idea is to just accept the outcome even though sometimes you don't agree with it, that's what normally happens.

Absolutely my point bud. I am frankly appalled at the way MPs have stalled and argued and flown in the face of democracy. We even have the idiot woman in charge of the Lib Dems (what a misnomer that is) saying that she would still fight Brexit even if we had a second referendum and the result was the same. Democracy in this country has been dealt a severe blow by our own democratically elected representatives and frankly they should hang their heads in total shame.
How does someone now who is not a Tory vote in the upcoming election? Lib Dems? Not a chance. Labour? The party I love is anti-Brexit (largely). And yet this election will be about one thing - and that is the fault totally and utterly of the remainers who cannot and will not accept defeat gracefully and cannot handle the democracy of the country they were born in.