Danny Drinkwater

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:51 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Through youth and development squad to PL, yes, one.

When was our youth system upgraded out of interest?

How quickly are you expecting results?
Do you understand the fact that things take time to work to a certain level...

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:56 pm

Spijed wrote:How many other clubs with a similar size scouting network to ours have been able to bring through a player as good as Dwight McNeil?

TBH I don't give a monkey's about what other clubs do.

The fact is that we can hardly afford to buy in and pay the number of decent players needed for a competitive squad.
People moan about £15m players not getting a game, we need to bring players through, simply because we don't have the sort of funds to buy in 25 players.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:57 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:When was our youth system upgraded out of interest?

How quickly are you expecting results?
Do you understand the fact that things take time to work to a certain level...

Our youth team players were 10/11ish when SD took over

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:00 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:When was our youth system upgraded out of interest?

How quickly are you expecting results?
Do you understand the fact that things take time to work to a certain level...

To blood youngsters to play at the required level is very experimental & could cost a club it's league status whilst saving money but relegation would cost more, if the newbies impressed they'd get cherry picked soon enough so that would draw money in, unless you've got a good academy conveyor belt style system best to retain & nuture & keep things at sensible level footing.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:05 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Our youth team players were 10/11ish when SD took over

Didn't answer the question

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Didn't answer the question

To be honest, I'm not really sure what you mean. They have been tweaking it one way or the other for years.
We've been bringing in lads (McNeil is the obvious one) who other clubs haven't wanted, would you call that upgrading the system?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:16 pm

boatshed bill wrote:To be honest, I'm not really sure what you mean. They have been tweaking it one way or the other for years.
We've been bringing in lads (McNeil is the obvious one) who other clubs haven't wanted, would you call that upgrading the system?

Our training facilities were toss compared to others really, including youth set up.

All that money poured into Gawthorpe enabled the club to get Cat 2 status for the youth academy, but also Cat 1 is doable when the club wants to upgrade to that.
However it costs more money to have Cat 1, so the club needs to make sure that it's worth it and can attract the players.
Not every club wants, or can, have Cat 2, or even 1, and I think it's Huddersfield who binned theirs off completely recently.

Now the money has been spent on the system, staff and facilities it's going to take time to attract the better players, especially with the number of more attractive clubs in the area.
Some families have their hearts set on one of the bigger Manchester clubs for example, but it's not until their kid is let go by one of those clubs that they'll look round elsewhere.
Other families are told early on their kid won't make it at the bigger clubs so they'll be more interested in a club our level etc.
Rovers didn't churn out masses of academy players straight into their first team, hardly any club does with a few exceptions.
Man City certainly don't and Chelsea only are now because they can't sign ready made players from abroad and even then a large number of their youth players are poached from other clubs.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:31 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Our training facilities were toss compared to others really, including youth set up.

All that money poured into Gawthorpe enabled the club to get Cat 2 status for the youth academy, but also Cat 1 is doable when the club wants to upgrade to that.
However it costs more money to have Cat 1, so the club needs to make sure that it's worth it and can attract the players.
Not every club wants, or can, have Cat 2, or even 1, and I think it's Huddersfield who binned theirs off completely recently.

Now the money has been spent on the system, staff and facilities it's going to take time to attract the better players, especially with the number of more attractive clubs in the area.
Some families have their hearts set on one of the bigger Manchester clubs for example, but it's not until their kid is let go by one of those clubs that they'll look round elsewhere.
Other families are told early on their kid won't make it at the bigger clubs so they'll be more interested in a club our level etc.
Rovers didn't churn out masses of academy players straight into their first team, hardly any club does with a few exceptions.
Man City certainly don't and Chelsea only are now because they can't sign ready made players from abroad and even then a large number of their youth players are poached from other clubs.

I think my original point is good. We need to bring players through. We cannot buy and pay 25 PL standard players so we have, at some stage, to supplement the squad via our youth development.
This in a thread about a professional footballer who is costing us around £50k p.w. for doing absolutely feck-all!

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:45 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I think my original point is good. We need to bring players through. We cannot buy and pay 25 PL standard players so we have, at some stage, to supplement the squad via our youth development.
This in a thread about a professional footballer who is costing us around £50k p.w. for doing absolutely feck-all!

That's a good point in terms of extending the loan & sending the wrong message out to the other players & the supporters, he's allowed himself to be involved in a fracas in a nightclub whilst not fit to play but well enough to boogie on the dancefloor & ended up upsetting another bloke by becoming too friendly with his missus.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:47 pm

It seems to have worked well for Ajax for the past 15 years

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:48 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:That's a good point in terms of extending the loan & sending the wrong message out to the other players & the supporters, he's allowed himself to be involved in a fracas in a nightclub whilst not fit to play but well enough to boogie on the dancefloor & ended up upsetting another bloke by becoming too friendly with his missus.

I was actually thinking about the benefit to our youth system that his £500k for ten weeks hanging around would do.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:52 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I think my original point is good. We need to bring players through. We cannot buy and pay 25 PL standard players so we have, at some stage, to supplement the squad via our youth development.
This in a thread about a professional footballer who is costing us around £50k p.w. for doing absolutely feck-all!

The club knows they need to bring players through, hence the money spent on the upgrading, but it takes time to upgrade the youth players so to speak, that's the point I'm making and you're missing it.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:03 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:The club knows they need to bring players through, hence the money spent on the upgrading, but it takes time to upgrade the youth players so to speak, that's the point I'm making and you're missing it.

No, I'm totally getting your point.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:08 pm

Chris Boden on Twitter wrote:Danny Drinkwater got some more game time this afternoon as a young side lost 7-1 to Preston behind closed doors at Gawthorpe

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:37 pm

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Was he playing in goal ?

IWOODLOVETT · Post by **IWOODLOVETT** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:35 pm

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That’s done his confidence a power of good.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:51 pm

It’s his second full 90 mins in a week so all good

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:59 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:It’s his second full 90 mins in a week so all good

When does his loan (or fully paid up holiday, if you prefer) end?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:01 pm

boatshed bill wrote:When does his loan (or fully paid up holiday, if you prefer) end?

6th Jan but think he has a clause in the deal to have Xmas and NY off so he can go on his usually festive holiday bender

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:35 pm

Given that he's played this week i think it fairly safe to assume that he won't play on Saturday.
He has 7 possible games for us. Good value?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:43 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Given that he's played this week i think it fairly safe to assume that he won't play on Saturday.
He has 7 possible games for us. Good value?

So far.... obviously not.

He has the potential to be though.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:50 pm

DCWat wrote:So far.... obviously not.

He has the potential to be though.

I seriously doubt he'll get a start; unless someone gets suspended or injured.
There is nothing to suggest that he should replace any of our midfielders.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:55 pm

Not so far no, though there have been times we needed another option in midfield. That’s his gateway and hopefully he takes it. I still think he could be a great player for us.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:58 pm

DCWat wrote:Not so far no, though there have been times we needed another option in midfield. That’s his gateway and hopefully he takes it. I still think he could be a great player for us.

I admire your optimism.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:34 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I seriously doubt he'll get a start; unless someone gets suspended or injured.
There is nothing to suggest that he should replace any of our midfielders.

I think Westwood has 4 yellow cards atm. He's highly likely to get another in the next couple of games I would suggest.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:43 pm

What happened to Josh Benson?
Made the bench earlier in the season then discarded

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:50 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:I think Westwood has 4 yellow cards atm. He's highly likely to get another in the next couple of games I would suggest.

He is so would only need one more in the next 7 games to get a ban.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:51 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:What happened to Josh Benson?
Made the bench earlier in the season then discarded

He was on the bench at Man U back in Jan. He’s, surprisingly for me, not been as regular in the u23s this season but has been back in the side in the last few weeks.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:52 pm

Surely if West wood gets suspended then Hendrick will automatically take his place, with Lennon on the right.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:56 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Given that he's played this week i think it fairly safe to assume that he won't play on Saturday.
He has 7 possible games for us. Good value?

He hasn’t, he has 26 possible games for us should we extend his loan until the end of the season. We won’t know whether he’s been good value until his loan ends.

damo_whitehead · Post by **damo_whitehead** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:He is so would only need one more in the next 7 games to get a ban.

Might be completely barking, but we don't usually lose many to the yellow card rule ban like this. In fact who was the last?

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:07 pm

damo_whitehead wrote:Might be completely barking, but we don't usually lose many to the yellow card rule ban like this. In fact who was the last?

That's true and my perception is exactly the same. We don't get many bans at all. My guess would be Dean Marney some time back, but I could be way off.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:18 pm

damo_whitehead wrote:Might be completely barking, but we don't usually lose many to the yellow card rule ban like this. In fact who was the last?

Matt Lowton last season and he got his fifth yellow in the final game before it moved on to ten

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:32 pm

Beggars belief that people talk about Westwood /Hendrick as seemingly better midfield players than DD. While all have a part to play it’s the quality of the likes of DD we need to “ take the next step” add him and another signing or 2 we could genuinely starting to be looking at “ quality all over the park”

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:06 pm

Spijed wrote:Surely if West wood gets suspended then Hendrick will automatically take his place, with Lennon on the right.

Hendrick may well move inside but I really can't see Lennon playing much (certainly starting many games) going forward. He's been on the bench most of this season but hardly ever been used to come on. Feels like he's taking a space up on the bench but isn't really much of an option when it comes to making changes with Brady now ahead of him in the pecking order.

I would be surprised if we didn't look to strengthen right midfield/winger in the next few months due to Lennon's decreasing lack of impact and JBG's ever increasing niggles.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:05 am

AlargeClaret wrote:Beggars belief that people talk about Westwood /Hendrick as seemingly better midfield players than DD. While all have a part to play it’s the quality of the likes of DD we need to “ take the next step” add him and another signing or 2 we could genuinely starting to be looking at “ quality all over the park”

Are you basing the assessment of Drinkwater on his form this season? I haven't seen or heard anything that makes him a better bet than Hendrick or Westwood. What have you seen?

It's irrelevant who has had the better career or who has the greater natural talent. The question that matters is who is better for Burnley Football Club in the future, both the immediate future and long term, and I certainly haven't seen anything that says Drinkwater above Westwood.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:57 am

dsr wrote:I certainly haven't seen anything that says Drinkwater above Westwood.

You mean in his 1 game cup appearance with a team that did our usual cup act of not playing well. Finding it hard to see how you can judge how well someone might do in a PL game because of a Carabao Cup display. None of the other 10 looked good that night either!

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:43 am

Jakubs Tash wrote:I think Westwood has 4 yellow cards atm. He's highly likely to get another in the next couple of games I would suggest.

Yes, and the last one totally stupid and unnecessary given that he was already on 3 and we were 3-0 up in the last minute. I bet Dyche was well pleased with him.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:57 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Yes, and the last one totally stupid and unnecessary given that he was already on 3 and we were 3-0 up in the last minute. I bet Dyche was well pleased with him.

Yeah I thought that at the time, was completely stupid.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:25 am

bfcmik wrote:You mean in his 1 game cup appearance with a team that did our usual cup act of not playing well. Finding it hard to see how you can judge how well someone might do in a PL game because of a Carabao Cup display. None of the other 10 looked good that night either!

DSR didn't judge him. In fact the point of DSR's post was questioning how AlargeClaret could judge him to be better than our current midfield based on just his form from years ago.

Dyche will see them in training and make the call but it sounds like you should be agreeing with DSR and asking your question to AlargeClaret as DSR did

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:47 am

What is the latest on Drinkwater? Still featuring for under 23 or has he gone back?

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:28 pm

Any expectation that he'll make the bench on Saturday?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:37 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:Any expectation that he'll make the bench on Saturday?

It depends how good his carpentry skills are , sorry couldn’t resist

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:40 pm

Guller Bull wrote:What is the latest on Drinkwater? Still featuring for under 23 or has he gone back?

He played for the U23s last week and has played a behind closed doors game this week. He’s with us until early January.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:54 pm

dsr wrote:Are you basing the assessment of Drinkwater on his form this season? I haven't seen or heard anything that makes him a better bet than Hendrick or Westwood. What have you seen?

It's irrelevant who has had the better career or who has the greater natural talent. The question that matters is who is better for Burnley Football Club in the future, both the immediate future and long term, and I certainly haven't seen anything that says Drinkwater above Westwood.

3 PL standard players , one a regular starter the other a current ROI international, or a player who to date has been neither use nor ornament. Take any two from three

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:54 pm

Hoping he can at least make the bench for the games over the festive period.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:06 pm

joey13 wrote:It depends how good his carpentry skills are , sorry couldn’t resist

Beat me to it Joey lad