Realistic transfer targets in January

[ecc]

Can't believe Bowen is still at Hull. Has he seen the same specialist as Charlie Austin?

[claretonthecoast1882]

You look them up if you are so bothered as they are there and even a quote above in this thread but take those specs off.

The only thing that is repeated every transfer window is your admittance with regards how much you struggle through every transfer window.

If I take those specs off would I be able to see things that aren't there like you or would it just make me tell lies.

[BOYSIE31]

I know let’s win games rather than lose them and score goals not concede them
That’s about the level of debate you are offering up.

There is not a club who does not make “mistakes” in the transfer market.
So even if your £50m is correct for wages and transfer fees that is still a fraction of the half a billion plus Dyche has generated in sky money from the transfer strategy he has used - plus another £40m or £50m profit on player sales.

If you really want to add something to the debate tell us all a club in this league who has had less costly mistakes than SD has during his time in charge.

I am not saying he hasnt done well that is obvious but his downfall is his transfer policy.
But other clubs can afford one or two mistakes but little ole Burnley cant afford 8.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I am not saying he hasnt done well that is obvious but his downfall is his transfer policy.
But other clubs can afford one or two mistakes but little ole Burnley cant afford 8.

What is his net spend in his time here ?

[BOYSIE31]

The only thing that is repeated every transfer window is your admittance with regards how much you struggle through every transfer window.

If I take those specs off would I be able to see things that aren't there like you or would it just make me tell lies.

Ok i will be silent until after window - we will not sign anyone in jan and probably righly so as its a strange market and will probably extend Drinwater to the end of season - (another million gone)

[claretonthecoast1882]

Ok i will be silent until after window - we will not sign anyone in jan and probably righly so as its a strange market and will probably extend Drinwater to the end of season - (another million gone)

You don't have to remain silent ( it is entertaining how upset you get during a window) just sensible would help you.

Do you think there is a manager out there who hasn't made mistakes in the transfer market ?

After the last 7 years, don't you think between the board and manager they have done enough to earn your trust ?

[BOYSIE31]

You don't have to remain silent ( it is entertaining how upset you get during a window) just sensible would help you.

Do you think there is a manager out there who hasn't made mistakes in the transfer market ?

After the last 7 years, don't you think between the board and manager they have done enough to earn your trust ?

Will you be saying the same when the begging bowl is back out ?

[MACCA]

IMO we are due a window where 2 or 3 quality players come in for circa 50m.

I thought that would be last summer, however for various reasons it wasn't to be.

We are in a catch 22, finish the season just about staying up and looking like a few changes are needed then players less likely to come.
Stay up quite comfortably, looking solid probably makes the powers that be think we are ok, no need to push transfers or stretch the budget and not much needs to be done unless the absolute perfect opportunity comes up.

There will be a window where 2 or 3 first teamers need replacing at once.

All the talk of this being our strongest ever squad, and most quality bench we've had, but being honest, theres not many you can argue are first team quality should 2 or 3 players leave or tail off form due to age/injury.

I can see big money being spent in the next 2 windows to the tune if 50m+
I think SD and the board realise this too.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Will you be saying the same when the begging bowl is back out ?

You are doing it again. You really do struggle.

[BOYSIE31]

You are doing it again. You really do struggle.

Not really but can see why you do

[BOYSIE31]

IMO we are due a window where 2 or 3 quality players come in for circa 50m.

I thought that would be last summer, however for various reasons it wasn't to be.

We are in a catch 22, finish the season just about staying up and looking like a few changes are needed then players less likely to come.
Stay up quite comfortably, looking solid probably makes the powers that be think we are ok, no need to push transfers or stretch the budget and not much needs to be done unless the absolute perfect opportunity comes up.

There will be a window where 2 or 3 first teamers need replacing at once.

All the talk of this being our strongest ever squad, and most quality bench we've had, but being honest, theres not many you can argue are first team quality should 2 or 3 players leave or tail off form due to age/injury.

I can see big money being spent in the next 2 windows to the tune if 50m+
I think SD and the board realise this too.

Just wait until we have to replace 5 or 6 of the first team all at once - now that will be fun and £50 million ?? Not a chance.

[MACCA]

Just wait until we have to replace 5 or 6 of the first team all at once - now that will be fun and £50 million ?? Not a chance.

I dont think itll ever be 5 or 6, if that's the case, we will have probably been relegated and a overhaul required anyway.

Itll be age related in most cases, then if we do have the luxury to upgrade a position for quality or loss of form, it will either be the absolute perfect scenario to purchase the player, or a younger player coming of age

[TVC15]

I am not saying he hasnt done well that is obvious but his downfall is his transfer policy.
But other clubs can afford one or two mistakes but little ole Burnley cant afford 8.

You just can’t answer the question can you ?
Which club has made less mistakes than Burnley ?

Like I said before - explaining our financial results to you would be a waste of time. If we “can’t afford” these mistakes as you put it how come we are posting such healthy profits every year ?

If you want to see some real transfer mistakes take a look at the likes of Everton, West Ham, Southampton, Fulham, Stoke, Spurs, Palace, United, Leicester etc
We are talking hundreds of millions of pounds of failed transfers.
It’s irrelevant whether these clubs can afford these or not - we all live within our means and whoever is backing the clubs. Nobody goes out to deliberately make mistakes when signing players.
£50m or £250m wastage - it’s all relative. For ever and a day only a certain percentage of signings work out. £10m on Vydra now is no more than the £1m we spent on Ian Moore many years ago when you look at the difference in revenue we are generating now and back then. The difference now is that we can actually afford it because of our success - it’s unavoidable but the only thing that matters is our overall position not individual transfers.

[Jakubs Tash]

Bogle could be an interesting one.....

SD doesn't seem to stray too far from his favourite targets. We were in for him last January. He's young, British and is a strong Championship option. Derby don't look like they are going to push for promotion this season. He's just got back fit and playing again. We certainly need a younger upgrade at right back. Derby under investigation for over-valuing their stadium to help them financially with FFP.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if we were to revisit this one.

[Firthy]

Defence and GK positions are OK so midfiled and up front should be our priority.

Not knowing our budget but based on previous windows and comments here's my list.

Bowen - Hull
Watkins - Brentford
Pearson - PNE
Brownhill - Bristol City

Eze - QPR but probably go to a bigger club than us.

[Jakubs Tash]

Dyche has clearly been targeting an upgrade at Right Back for a while now....and quite right. So I think defence is one of the priorities.

[TVC15]

Defence and GK positions are OK so midfiled and up front should be our priority.

Not knowing our budget but based on previous windows and comments here's my list.

Bowen - Hull
Watkins - Brentford
Pearson - PNE
Brownhill - Bristol City

Eze - QPR but probably go to a bigger club than us.

Good suggestions. I like Brentford - they seem to have the beating of any team in the league when they turn up. Saw them against Leeds at the back end of last season and they played them off the park.

[bodge]

Daniel Crowley, midfield player at Birmingham City.

[Jakubs Tash]

Good suggestions. I like Brentford - they seem to have the beating of any team in the league when they turn up. Saw them against Leeds at the back end of last season and they played them off the park.

Yeah I agree, Brentford have been an intriguing team for a few years now. Clearly very good at unearthing players with sell-on value and play open, attractive football. One week they'll lose 4-0 and the next they'll win 4-0! A very different animal to Burnley under Dyche which makes me wonder if any of their flair players would fit into our system...

[BOYSIE31]

You just can’t answer the question can you ?
Which club has made less mistakes than Burnley ?

Like I said before - explaining our financial results to you would be a waste of time. If we “can’t afford” these mistakes as you put it how come we are posting such healthy profits every year ?

If you want to see some real transfer mistakes take a look at the likes of Everton, West Ham, Southampton, Fulham, Stoke, Spurs, Palace, United, Leicester etc
We are talking hundreds of millions of pounds of failed transfers.
It’s irrelevant whether these clubs can afford these or not - we all live within our means and whoever is backing the clubs. Nobody goes out to deliberately make mistakes when signing players.
£50m or £250m wastage - it’s all relative. For ever and a day only a certain percentage of signings work out. £10m on Vydra now is no more than the £1m we spent on Ian Moore many years ago when you look at the difference in revenue we are generating now and back then. The difference now is that we can actually afford it because of our success - it’s unavoidable but the only thing that matters is our overall position not individual transfers.

So what do you want this jan or next summer ???

[jojomk1]

A reasoned argument TVC15 in terms of financial spend

However,I think one of the frustrations about our overall transfer policy is that we have not improved the starting 11 for over two years now (4 windows)

2017/18 saw us bring in Wood, Cork and Taylor - we also brought in some very average players (Wells, Walters, Lennon and Bardsley)

But yes, we did have our "Leicester" year and finished 7th. But also, a good bit of that was down to the really poor standard of other teams that year (you have to look at things realistically and not with Claret glasses on, as some people still keep harping on about)

2018/19 saw us bring in Vydra, Gibson, Hart and Crouch

For the last two years the only positives being lauded are that we have improved our squad in depth but nobody has come into the first team with impact.
The exception, before people shout, has been McNeil, but he was already here and I doubt we would have seen this young man for some time if it were not for the fact that we started the 2018/19 season with all wide men injured

Other teams strengthened so we, in reality, fell back hence our low position last season

We haven't strengthened the starting 11 again this summer when almost all other teams have, so we will have a fight on our hands again

Look also at the ages of most of the players mentioned above - not many have much of a shelf life left in them

A net spend over the last two years of around £30m is not chicken feed but also probably one of the lowest of any club in the league.

I agree all clubs make some mistakes in the transfer markets, but spending over £30m and not bringing in a single first team regular can only be seen as failure

Dyche clearly puts a big part of his own recruitment policy on "experience" - just hope this doesn't backfire

I still think we will survive (only just) but recruitment policy has to improve greatly

[BOYSIE31]

Yeah I agree, Brentford have been an intriguing team for a few years now. Clearly very good at unearthing players with sell-on value and play open, attractive football. One week they'll lose 4-0 and the next they'll win 4-0! A very different animal to Burnley under Dyche which makes me wonder if any of their flair players would fit into our system...

They have a cracking scouting network - we dont

[Spijed]

Other teams strengthened so we, in reality, fell back hence our low position last season.

If that was the case then surely we wouldn't have been able to do as well as we did in the second half of last season.

[BOYSIE31]

A reasoned argument TVC15 in terms of financial spend

However,I think one of the frustrations about our overall transfer policy is that we have not improved the starting 11 for over two years now (4 windows)

2017/18 saw us bring in Wood, Cork and Taylor - we also brought in some very average players (Wells, Walters, Lennon and Bardsley)

But yes, we did have our "Leicester" year and finished 7th. But also, a good bit of that was down to the really poor standard of other teams that year (you have to look at things realistically and not with Claret glasses on, as some people still keep harping on about)

2018/19 saw us bring in Vydra, Gibson, Hart and Crouch

For the last two years the only positives being lauded are that we have improved our squad in depth but nobody has come into the first team with impact.
The exception, before people shout, has been McNeil, but he was already here and I doubt we would have seen this young man for some time if it were not for the fact that we started the 2018/19 season with all wide men injured

Other teams strengthened so we, in reality, fell back hence our low position last season

We haven't strengthened the starting 11 again this summer when almost all other teams have, so we will have a fight on our hands again

Look also at the ages of most of the players mentioned above - not many have much of a shelf life left in them

A net spend over the last two years of around £30m is not chicken feed but also probably one of the lowest of any club in the league

Dyche clearly puts a big part of his own recruitment policy on "experience" - just hope this doesn't backfire

I still think we will survive (only just) but recruitment policy has to improve greatly

Good sensible post and lets see if they all attack you like they do me

[Spijed]

They have a cracking scouting network - we dont

Have you ever been to a single youth team game?

A fairly obvious answer.

[jojomk1]

If that was the case then surely we wouldn't have been able to do as well as we did in the second half of last season.

A season lasts 38 games I think

Based on your theory we should be in the top 4-6 now

[Spijed]

A season lasts 38 games I think

Based on your theory we should be in the top 4-6 now

So which other teams strengthened to our detriment then?

[jojomk1]

So which other teams strengthened to our detriment then?

Too many to list

But I'll give you a small clue - anyone who has started this year with any players better than last

And please don't throw Eric Pieters back at me

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

I'm available! I will try my hardest but I'm 66. Will that go against me?

[Spijed]

Too many to list

But I'll give you a small clue - anyone who has started this year with any players better than last

And please don't throw Eric Pieters back at me

Again, your argument doesn't make sense. After gaining just 12 points from the first 19 matches whilst other teams had stronger squads than us there is no way in the world that we would have been able to survive last season by making up the difference!

[TVC15]

A reasoned argument TVC15 in terms of financial spend

However,I think one of the frustrations about our overall transfer policy is that we have not improved the starting 11 for over two years now (4 windows)

2017/18 saw us bring in Wood, Cork and Taylor - we also brought in some very average players (Wells, Walters, Lennon and Bardsley)

But yes, we did have our "Leicester" year and finished 7th. But also, a good bit of that was down to the really poor standard of other teams that year (you have to look at things realistically and not with Claret glasses on, as some people still keep harping on about)

2018/19 saw us bring in Vydra, Gibson, Hart and Crouch

For the last two years the only positives being lauded are that we have improved our squad in depth but nobody has come into the first team with impact.
The exception, before people shout, has been McNeil, but he was already here and I doubt we would have seen this young man for some time if it were not for the fact that we started the 2018/19 season with all wide men injured

Other teams strengthened so we, in reality, fell back hence our low position last season

We haven't strengthened the starting 11 again this summer when almost all other teams have, so we will have a fight on our hands again

Look also at the ages of most of the players mentioned above - not many have much of a shelf life left in them

A net spend over the last two years of around £30m is not chicken feed but also probably one of the lowest of any club in the league

Dyche clearly puts a big part of his own recruitment policy on "experience" - just hope this doesn't backfire

I still think we will survive (only just) but recruitment policy has to improve greatly

I agree with quite a lot of what you have said but as you know the reality of trying to get transfers over the line is just a lot more complex.
None of us know the real reasons why the players we are in for like Phillips from Leeds and Che Adams don’t happen. The fans who like to criticise the club immediately think that it’s the clubs fault and that we are penny pinching but it could be the players decision or it could be the club or agents making ridiculous demands. We could have matched the offer of Southampton for Adams for all we know but in likelihood many players would choose Southampton before Burnley. Phillips at Leeds was different - my guess is that their manager put the block on it for this season and the club know they have to go up this year or the manager will be off.

When you see Che Adams on the bench and not scoring a goal yet for Southampton it just shows that even players who you think will improve the first eleven won’t necessarily do so.

I do think we could have spent more than we have in the last few windows but it’s just not that easy to find players who are going to improve your first eleven. For every one player who is a successful purchase there must be at least 10 failures in this league. I can’t believe that fans think that SD and Garlick are not trying to buy better players.

[Right_winger]

If that's the case why are we still in the Prem after four seasons?

Several reasons. Our squad was younger and fresher 4 years ago and other teams have flopped around us. You could argue that we have regressed the last year or 2.

We will be at a stage where an overhaul is required and I think that’s the time when Dyche will slide out the side door.

[TVC15]

So what do you want this jan or next summer ???

Release (or sell) :
Lennon
Brady
Bardsley
Vydra
Wells
Hart
Possibly 1 or 2 of Gibson, Long and Dunne.

Buy :
new right back - better than Lowton
new centre midfielder
New wide players
New centre forward
New centre back(S)

Net spend of between £30m and £50m over the 2 transfer windows. I’d hope we could get at least £15m back from the players sold so that’s a gross spend of between £45m and £65m.

No point naming players - that’s SDs job...but I’d want at least 3 or 4 of the new players as good enough to get into the first eleven (the right back, centre mid, winger and forward).

It would be hard to achieve the above on the levels of spend I think we can afford but if we went for that I am not going to criticise the club if the signings don’t work out as if me or anyone else on this messageboard think they are better judge of player than Dyche they are deluded.

[BOYSIE31]

Have you ever been to a single youth team game?

A fairly obvious answer.

No i havent but that is not the question - we need youth in our first team sap not in another 3 years

[BOYSIE31]

Release (or sell) :
Lennon
Brady
Bardsley
Vydra
Wells
Hart
Possibly 1 or 2 of Gibson, Long and Dunne.

Buy :
new right back - better than Lowton
new centre midfielder
New wide players
New centre forward
New centre back(S)

Net spend of between £30m and £50m over the 2 transfer windows. I’d hope we could get at least £15m back from the players sold so that’s a gross spend of between £45m and £65m.

No point naming players - that’s SDs job...but I’d want at least 3 or 4 of the new players as good enough to get into the first eleven (the right back, centre mid, winger and forward).

It would be hard to achieve the above on the levels of spend I think we can afford but if we went for that I am not going to criticise the club if the signings don’t work out as if me or anyone else on this messageboard think they are better judge of player than Dyche they are deluded.

Bloody hell you have changed your tune - you on my wavelength now

[jrgbfc]

Release (or sell) :
Lennon
Brady
Bardsley
Vydra
Wells
Hart
Possibly 1 or 2 of Gibson, Long and Dunne.

Buy :
new right back - better than Lowton
new centre midfielder
New wide players
New centre forward
New centre back(S)

Net spend of between £30m and £50m over the 2 transfer windows. I’d hope we could get at least £15m back from the players sold so that’s a gross spend of between £45m and £65m.

No point naming players - that’s SDs job...but I’d want at least 3 or 4 of the new players as good enough to get into the first eleven (the right back, centre mid, winger and forward).

It would be hard to achieve the above on the levels of spend I think we can afford but if we went for that I am not going to criticise the club if the signings don’t work out as if me or anyone else on this messageboard think they are better judge of player than Dyche they are deluded.

Hard to argue with that, but surely we'd have been better trying to gradually improve the starting 11? As you say next summer we're now looking at needing 3 players who are good enough to walk into our team. Given the difficulties we have in the transfer market it's hard to see that happening.

[AshevilleNCClaret]

He’s on a 1 year loan deal & they’ve got the option to buy.

Well maybe next year. Would be surprised if CP pick up that option...

I believe we were realistically linked to him (as in made an offer) and he would definitely improve our midfield.

[TVC15]

Bloody hell you have changed your tune - you on my wavelength now

No I haven’t - a lot of these players are either at the end of contract or in the case of Vydra and Gibson going into their last year of contract and we might have a chance of recouping some money if they haven’t broke into the team (which is looking less likely).
Unlike you I understand why we can’t bring these new players in when others are in contract and we are still paying them big wages.
I don’t think anyone would disagree that the likes of Hart, Brady and Lennon have not done enough to be offered new contracts and I doubt any of those 3 are on much less than £2m a year in wages.
Bardsley is back end of his career but Lowton’s form in the last 12 or 18 months has been too inconsistent and we need to improve in this position....if Lowton regained his form then this would not be up there as a priority position for me in the next 2 windows (as in someone who could walk into first team)

We ain’t on the same wavelength at all because even if we got what I wanted it does not mean the new signings will be guaranteed to work out. I’d accept that - you very clearly wouldn’t !!

The only guarantee is that at some point we will he relegated - just like the other 46 or so other clubs that have been relegated in the last 30 years.

[BOYSIE31]

No I haven’t - a lot of these players are either at the end of contract or in the case of Vydra and Gibson going into their last year of contract and we might have a chance of recouping some money if they haven’t broke into the team (which is looking less likely).
Unlike you I understand why we can’t bring these new players in when others are in contract and we are still paying them big wages.
I don’t think anyone would disagree that the likes of Hart, Brady and Lennon have not done enough to be offered new contracts and I doubt any of those 3 are on much less than £2m a year in wages.
Bardsley is back end of his career but Lowton’s form in the last 12 or 18 months has been too inconsistent and we need to improve in this position....if Lowton regained his form then this would not be up there as a priority position for me in the next 2 windows (as in someone who could walk into first team)

We ain’t on the same wavelength at all because even if we got what I wanted it does not mean the new signings will be guaranteed to work out. I’d accept that - you very clearly wouldn’t !!

The only guarantee is that at some point we will he relegated - just like the other 46 or so other clubs that have been relegated in the last 30 years.

So my point is why get them in the first place ????????

[TVC15]

So my point is why get them in the first place ????????

Yep we know your point - and as I said it’s about as valid a point as saying we should win games rather than lose them !!
If you are going to make the same useless point time and time again there is no point entering into any kind of conversation with you.
You’ve been asked several times to name a team with a better record in the market than us in terms of the fewest transfer mistakes and you can’t. And there is a reason you can’t.

[BOYSIE31]

Yep we know your point - and as I said it’s about as valid a point as saying we should win games rather than lose them !!
If you are going to make the same useless point time and time again there is no point entering into any kind of conversation with you.
You’ve been asked several times to name a team with a better record in the market than us in terms of the fewest transfer mistakes and you can’t. And there is a reason you can’t.

Wolves /sheff utd

[BOYSIE31]

Yep we know your point - and as I said it’s about as valid a point as saying we should win games rather than lose them !!
If you are going to make the same useless point time and time again there is no point entering into any kind of conversation with you.
You’ve been asked several times to name a team with a better record in the market than us in terms of the fewest transfer mistakes and you can’t. And there is a reason you can’t.

Another point no other teams going for the likes of Lennon / Crouch / Walters - its ok having experience but none when they are over the hill.

[Spijed]

Wolves /sheff utd

Wolves? Have you seen how rich their owners are?

Sheffield United? And how long have they been in the Prem? 11 matches!

[TVC15]

Wolves /sheff utd

I already said excluding Sheff United who have been in the league for a few weeks.
The fact that you think Wolves have made less mistakes in the market than Burnley says how little you understand.

Take a look at their accounts - and look at the number of players in the last say 3 years they have had on loan and the costs of the loan fees....and how many of these players they ended up not signing. They used the Harry Redknapp strategy of bringing in players - get 40 in and 4 of em might turn out ok.
See how many players you have ever heard on who are on their books as loan players.
In addition to the wasted loan fees they have also wasted a lot more on permanent signings / players who are not getting a game than Burnley have.
But you would know all that if you weren’t just guessing.

[Vegas Claret]

IMO we are due a window where 2 or 3 quality players come in for circa 50m.

I thought that would be last summer, however for various reasons it wasn't to be.

We are in a catch 22, finish the season just about staying up and looking like a few changes are needed then players less likely to come.
Stay up quite comfortably, looking solid probably makes the powers that be think we are ok, no need to push transfers or stretch the budget and not much needs to be done unless the absolute perfect opportunity comes up.

There will be a window where 2 or 3 first teamers need replacing at once.

All the talk of this being our strongest ever squad, and most quality bench we've had, but being honest, theres not many you can argue are first team quality should 2 or 3 players leave or tail off form due to age/injury.

I can see big money being spent in the next 2 windows to the tune if 50m+
I think SD and the board realise this too.

I fear you are going to be incredibly disappointed

[ŽižkovClaret]

I had said Soucek from Slavia Prague in previous windows, and got dismissed . He's playing pretty well against Barca tonight, which probably now puts him out of our price range...

[Holtyclaret]

Drama queenery must be like Christmas, starts earlier every year

[AshevilleNCClaret]

I was trying to find a list of the top $$$$ spent by outside the top 6 PL squads for this year for players in our price range....
Here are some names/money that jumped out

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Alex Iwobi - Everton- 30 million euros
Moise Kean - Everton - 27.5 million euros
Youri Tielemans - Leicester - 45 million euros
Ismalia Sarr - Watford - 30 million euros
Joelinton - Newcastle- 44 million euros
Neil Maupay - BHA - 22 million euros
Oliver McBurne - Sheffield - 19.1 million euros
Wesley - Aston Villa - 25 million euros

I don't follow each team that closely, but aside from Tielemans and maybe Maupay, i don't see any type of these players significantly improving our starting eleven, especially when factoring in the cost.

[Jakubs Tash]

They have a cracking scouting network - we dont

I think you're being a bit extreme. Brentford's scouting network has been quite good for them, yes. But they are still a mid table Championship team. If they were unearthing all of these amazing players they should really be ripping it up. They're not.

Hey, but if it fits with your narrative then crack on.....

[jrgbfc]

I had said Soucek from Slavia Prague in previous windows, and got dismissed . He's playing pretty well against Barca tonight, which probably now puts him out of our price range...

Mentioned on the other thread we could do a lot worse than looking at some of those Slavia lads. Holding their own in a very tough Champions league group. Think it was pretty much their team that outplayed England last month as well.