Need help.
They always seem so isolated in midfield. Neither of them are ball carriers. Our forwards don’t seem to like coming short for the ball. So their options are back to Tarks or Mee otherwise wide to McNeil and Hendrick. Our widemen play chalk on heels one option might be to bring them in 10 yds which would give C&W an easier pass and would also create overlapping opportunities. Taylor doesn’t need help, he can take a man on and get his cross away, but at RB the cross is usually coming in from poor angles.
The priority has to be staying in the PL but it is galling to see so many sides with lesser players than us knocking it about for fun and showing for the ball whilst we are so rigid.

Wouldn't be regulars at any other Premier league side.

Need replacing as soon as possible. Simply not good enough for the PL.

Vino blanco wrote:Need replacing as soon as possible. Simply not good enough for the PL.

Take it you didn’t watch Westwood last season?

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Take it you didn’t watch Westwood last season?

Last season?

I saw every game last season either live or on tv, and the same this season. They are both not good enough for the PL and need replacing.

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Take it you didn’t watch Westwood last season?

You're right he was excellent last season so it would be ridiculous to write him off. Cork has been good so far this season.

Fans and players player of the year and isn’t good enough to play for us in the PL. Some people have delusions of grandeur.

I thought we were playing well with Westwood and Hendrick in midfield together.

Still don’t get why Cork came straight back in the other week.... and since he did we don’t look as balanced.

We desperately need someone with the quality Defour had when he was on the pitch

Would like to see us return to 4-5-1 for some games think 4-4-2 has gone stale again

jrgbfc wrote:Wouldn't be regulars at any other Premier league side.

This, for me, is the most telling comment. And it is hard to disagree with.

Vino blanco wrote:I saw every game last season either live or on tv, and the same this season. They are both not good enough for the PL and need replacing.

The evidence would suggest otherwise.......

Amazing how the manager and players are no longer good enough whenever we get beat.

Nothing to do with "whenever we get beat". I have said on here consistently for ages that we need two new midfielders.

Vino blanco wrote:Nothing to do with "whenever we get beat". I have said on here consistently for ages that we need two new midfielders.

But you said neither are ‘good enough’ for the premier league yet they have been part of the team in its 4th successive season at this level suggesting your theory is slightly flawed.

I though Cork played quite well for a while alongside Defour, but he has been poor for the last 18 months. I do not think think Westwood is a good PL player. I am not saying they are bad players, but simply that this is the area where we need a big improvement.

They would be fine as squad players, but neither of them should be the undroppable, guaranteed to play every week regulars that they seem to be. There's a whole world of centre midfielders out there, there was 2 of them who left Huddersfield over the summer who'd have both improved us.

Vino blanco wrote:I though Cork played quite well for a while alongside Defour, but he has been poor for the last 18 months. I do not think think Westwood is a good PL player. I am not saying they are bad players, but simply that this is the area where we need a big improvement.

So an upgrade rather than neither of them being ‘good enough’ for this level?

taio wrote:You're right he was excellent last season so it would be ridiculous to write him off. Cork has been good so far this season.

We all see the game differently but he just hasn’t imo. Far too lightweight.

Cork that is.

Vino blanco wrote:I though Cork played quite well for a while alongside Defour, but he has been poor for the last 18 months. I do not think think Westwood is a good PL player. I am not saying they are bad players, but simply that this is the area where we need a big improvement.

Cork played well enough to get himself in the England team but seemed to go off the boil thereafter

Cork is weaker than the prinny royal lager, made out of tissue paper and I’m sick of seeing him coward out of tackles and get pushed off the ball.

Perhaps buying a Premier League quality midfielder during the summer might have helped the situation

Westwood is comfortably a PL player, Cork has lost his way. Hendrick should start instead of him in CM imho

Nothing wrong with Westwood. Cork unfortunately needs replacing

Ric_C wrote:Nothing wrong with Westwood. Cork unfortunately needs replacing

Not read a single bit of feedback who wants Cork to stay in the side.

what shite, cork is a very good footballer.shame on you.

Can’t think of too many better English midfielders than Westwood, it would be a very short list in any case - look at the national team- would you rather have Declan Rice?

SalisburyClaret wrote:Can’t think of too many better English midfielders than Westwood, it would be a very short list in any case - look at the national team- would you rather have Declan Rice?

Are you seriously suggesting Westwood is better than Rice - look forward to him being named in the next England squad

Thank god Southgate is in charge and not you

He's better than Cork, I'll give you that

Both not good enough at this level - end of argument

jojomk1 wrote:Are you seriously suggesting Westwood is better than Rice - look forward to him being named in the next England squad

Thank god Southgate is in charge and not you

He's better than Cork, I'll give you that

Declan Rice - Zero (not even 1) assists in the last 4 seasons, Ashley has 10

Ashley has also 130 more tackles, 6000 more passes and over 500 more crosses (Declan has managed 8 in 4 seasons)

Are you seriously suggesting Rice would make it into our team

Thank God Sean is in charge and not you

KRBFC wrote:Cork is weaker than the prinny royal lager, made out of tissue paper and I’m sick of seeing him coward out of tackles and get pushed off the ball.

Turn your TV off then.

ok as squad players

Cork is as weak as ****. I thought Hendrick and Westwood did well when put together. It fairly peeved me off when Cork got straight back in.

We need an enfocer in there and have done since promotion to the prem

Westy is a grafter and won’t let you down but at this level his lack of creativity is stifling . He’d work better with a Defour type or even Drinkwater ,but with a fading Cork we are just too lightweight . What we’d give for a Joey type character right now ... We’re so bereft of anything on the right side and centre were really missing JBG who is no superstar but does put the odd ball in

SalisburyClaret wrote:Declan Rice - Zero (not even 1) assists in the last 4 seasons, Ashley has 10

Ashley has also 130 more tackles, 6000 more passes and over 500 more crosses (Declan has managed 8 in 4 seasons)

Are you seriously suggesting Rice would make it into our team

Thank God Sean is in charge and not you

You’re comparing stats of a experienced pro and a rookie learning the game. Why are you counting the last 4 years? Has Declan Rice even been professional for 4 years? He definitely hasn’t played anywhere near the same amount of games as Westwood in the last 4 years which makes the comparison in stats a stupid one

Genuinely despair reading threads like this.

I would say there is only the Sheff United game where I have been genuinely disappointed with our performance. We were sloppy against Chelsea and their class showed.

Leicester away we were denied a point by var against a team in incredible form.

The expectations are unreal from our fans.

Identifying weaknesses and saying we need to buy ‘real’ premier league quality. We aren’t going to.... Dyche identifies players within our budget (which is set to secure the long term future of the club we all love)... and then attempts to get the absolute best out of them. That’s our model. It feckin working and I hope we stick to it!!

KRBFC wrote:You’re comparing stats of a experienced pro and a rookie learning the game. Why are you counting the last 4 years? Has Declan Rice even been professional for 4 years? He definitely hasn’t played anywhere near the same amount of games as Westwood in the last 4 years which makes the comparison in stats a stupid one

Well let’s just say he’s been a pro for 2 years then - the stats still reveal what an over- rated player he is. A midfielder who’s never had an assist - and he plays for our National side - incredible

SalisburyClaret wrote:Declan Rice - Zero (not even 1) assists in the last 4 seasons, Ashley has 10

Ashley has also 130 more tackles, 6000 more passes and over 500 more crosses (Declan has managed 8 in 4 seasons)

Are you seriously suggesting Rice would make it into our team

Thank God Sean is in charge and not you

Declan Rice doesn’t take corners. Not really relevant comparing assist numbers for a destroyer. Rice would be better compared with Cork tbh.

SalisburyClaret wrote:Well let’s just say he’s been a pro for 2 years then - the stats still reveal what an over- rated player he is. A midfielder who’s never had an assist - and he plays for our National side - incredible

You’re comparing two different players at different stages of their career, as the poster above pointed out, comparing assists from someone who takes corners over someone who doesn’t is stupid.

SalisburyClaret wrote:Can’t think of too many better English midfielders than Westwood, it would be a very short list in any case - look at the national team- would you rather have Declan Rice?

The reason the likes of Ben Mee, Westwood and Barnes aren't in the England squad is because they simply aren't good enough. Love how some Burnley fans think it's a massive conspiracy against them. Do you honestly not think Southgate would pick them if he thought they could do a job?

jrgbfc wrote:The reason the likes of Ben Mee, Westwood and Barnes aren't in the England squad is because they simply aren't good enough. Love how some Burnley fans think it's a massive conspiracy against them. Do you honestly not think Southgate would pick them if he thought they could do a job?

Love how some Burnley fans can’t follow a simple thread- a number of posters were complaining about Westwood so the point is which English players are any better. So let’s start with the current England midfield as a comparison. If you do that you see how well Westwood compares.

At no time have conspiracies been mentioned nor has it been suggested that Westwood should play for England

We have not replaced Barton or Defour that’s understandable . We can improve let’s hope Drinkwater gets his act together or sign a creative midfield player who does not pass to the opposition .

Murger wrote:Cork is as weak as ****. I thought Hendrick and Westwood did well when put together. It fairly peeved me off when Cork got straight back in.

That's the issue to me. Some players can circumvent the 'wait your turn' philosophy.

jrgbfc wrote:The reason the likes of Ben Mee, Westwood and Barnes aren't in the England squad is because they simply aren't good enough. Love how some Burnley fans think it's a massive conspiracy against them. Do you honestly not think Southgate would pick them if he thought they could do a job?

Well he's picked Keane who has not had a good season at all with Everton, so yes, Southgate clearly does have his favourites.

Cork needs dropping , Hendrick can carry the ball forward better than both, Westwood and Hendrick are a better suit than a Cork And Westwood. Cork desperately needs a rest he gets caught on the ball every game !

dougcollins wrote:That's the issue to me. Some players can circumvent the 'wait your turn' philosophy.

In the interests of accuracy, seems fair to point out that Hendrick kept his place when Cork returned, and Cork in fact effectively replaced Brady who had himself had a fairly low key return to the team at Leicester - and no doubt the change was driven by the fact Dyche wanted a tight midfield 4 like the one we used with such success last season against an excellent Chelsea team.

the problem with the midfield is that the other two midfielders don't hold onto the ball enough and are not creative enough.

claretspice wrote:In the interests of accuracy, seems fair to point out that Hendrick kept his place when Cork returned, and Cork in fact effectively replaced Brady who had himself had a fairly low key return to the team at Leicester - and no doubt the change was driven by the fact Dyche wanted a tight midfield 4 like the one we used with such success last season against an excellent Chelsea team.

But we still reshuffled the team to accommodate the bang average Cork. Hendrick could have stayed in the middle and played Brady or Lennon on the right.

Brady or Lennon ?
Yep they’ve been bang in form haven’t they ?!!