Investment

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:00 pm

As you all know i am very vocal on our transfer policy or lack off

So when are we going to finally invest in some youth / some pace / some creativity.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:04 pm

I thought we had already invested a lot into youth with our upgrade in academy status and the developments at Gawthorpe as well as bringing in players to develop from around the country?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:04 pm

When we get Allardyche in.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:04 pm

A week on Thursday.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:13 pm

Goobs wrote:I thought we had already invested a lot into youth with our upgrade in academy status and the developments at Gawthorpe as well as bringing in players to develop from around the country?

I am speaking about first team ready for now not maybe in 3 years.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:27 pm

When we become Chelsea or man citeh or (insert name of ridiculously wealthy club here).

Until then... as you were. Seems like what we’re doing isn’t all that bad...

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:27 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:I am speaking about first team ready for now not maybe in 3 years.

Are you on drugs?

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:28 pm

Next transfer window

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:34 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:As you all know i am very vocal on our transfer policy or lack off

So when are we going to finally invest in some youth / some pace / some creativity.

Think you should be puttig that question to Burnley FC management not a fan's forum.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:40 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Are you on drugs?

Well im not posting a pic of Hart with a turtle so no

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:41 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Well im not posting a pic of Hart with a turtle so no

I bet you're a laugh a minute in the pub.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:46 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:As you all know i am very vocal on our transfer policy or lack off

So when are we going to finally invest in some youth / some pace / some creativity.

James Tarkowski (23)
Jimmy Dunne (18)
Charlie Taylor (23)
Dwight McNeill (new contract 19)
Bailey Peacock-Farrell (22)

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:49 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:James Tarkowski (23)
Jimmy Dunne (18)
Charlie Taylor (23)
Dwight McNeill (new contract 19)
Bailey Peacock-Farrell (22)

But what did the Romans ever do for us?

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:53 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:James Tarkowski (23)
Jimmy Dunne (18)
Charlie Taylor (23)
Dwight McNeill (new contract 19)
Bailey Peacock-Farrell (22)

For a start Tarks and Taylor are both 26 and Mc Neil came from utd.

Others currently are not playing - next

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:55 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:James Tarkowski (23)
Jimmy Dunne (18)
Charlie Taylor (23)
Dwight McNeill (new contract 19)
Bailey Peacock-Farrell (22)

So that's about 4 signings in 7 years then? One of whom will never get anywhere near our starting line up.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:58 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:I am speaking about first team ready for now not maybe in 3 years.

We haven't signed a player capable of walking into the first 11, nor have we improved it in 3 maybe 4 transfer windows.

I think buying a young player ready in 2 or 3 years maybe the only way.

We couldn't afford/attract a young unproven midfielder from a championship club after offering 20m.

God help us when it comes to signing a creative player or a goalscorer if that's the starting point for a good no thrills championship midfielder

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:59 pm

jrgbfc wrote:So that's about 4 signings in 7 years then? One of whom will never get anywhere near our starting line up.

I dont think Dunne will either to be fair.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:11 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:For a start Tarks and Taylor are both 26 and Mc Neil came from utd.

Others currently are not playing - next

McNeil came from Man Utd? Well let's not count him then.

In fact let's not play him at all.

Let's lodge a £60 million bid for Marcus Rashford, £35 million for Mason Greenwood, £40 million for Mason Mount and offer a cheeky £235,000 for Bradley Dack.

Seems like a sensible way forward for Burnley Football Club.

The future will be ours. Can't think of why we haven't done this before.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:12 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:For a start Tarks and Taylor are both 26 and Mc Neil came from utd.

Others currently are not playing - next

That how old there were when we signed them, and when McNeil signed his new contract

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:15 pm

MACCA wrote:We haven't signed a player capable of walking into the first 11

Chris Wood?
Steven Defour?
Jack Cork?

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:16 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:That how old there were when we signed them, and when McNeil signed his new contract

This was 3 years ago - why does everyone on here always live in the past ??????

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:16 pm

We once won the league in the 60's you know.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:18 pm

Spijed wrote:Chris Wood?
Steven Defour?
Jack Cork?

Did you miss out "in the last 3 or 4 windows" of that sentence on purpose?

Seems odd you would, unless obviously it was a correct statement that meant you couldnt mould to suit your point.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:21 pm

MACCA wrote:We haven't signed a player capable of walking into the first 11, nor have we improved it in 3 maybe 4 transfer windows.

I think buying a young player ready in 2 or 3 years maybe the only way.

We couldn't afford/attract a young unproven midfielder from a championship club after offering 20m.

God help us when it comes to signing a creative player or a goalscorer if that's the starting point for a good no thrills championship midfielder

Just so you can read it again and either point out what's incorrect or make a reply that answers a certain point

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:26 pm

MACCA wrote:I dont think Dunne will either to be fair.

It was Dunne I was referring to. I'm assuming from next season Peacock-Farrell will at least get to play in our 2 cup games a year.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:32 pm

jrgbfc wrote:It was Dunne I was referring to. I'm assuming from next season Peacock-Farrell will at least get to play in our 2 cup games a year.

Possibly depending who we bring in for Hart, as they might come in as number 1 ( unlikely ) or number 2.

Be a hard sell offering a current playing quality keeper the 3rd choice role, unless we go either quite young, or quite old.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:32 pm

jrgbfc wrote:So that's about 4 signings in 7 years then? One of whom will never get anywhere near our starting line up.

This goes back about 7 years

Keiran Trippier (21)
Kevin Long (19)
Ben Mee (22)
Sam Vokes (22)
Junior Stanslas (21)
Danny Ings (19)
David Edgar (22)
Charlie Austin (21)
Michael Keane (21)
James Tarkowski (23)
Jimmy Dunne (18)
Charlie Taylor (23)
Dwight McNeill (new contract 19)
Bailey Peacock-Farrell (22)

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:34 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:This goes back about 7 years

Keiran Trippier (21)
Kevin Long (19)
Ben Mee (22)
Sam Vokes (22)
Junior Stanslas (21)
Danny Ings (19)
David Edgar (22)
Charlie Austin (21)
Michael Keane (21)
James Tarkowski (23)
Jimmy Dunne (18)
Charlie Taylor (23)
Dwight McNeill (new contract 19)
Bailey Peacock-Farrell (22)

Half of those on your list were signed by Eddie Howe.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:37 pm

But OP is having a pop at the transfer policy saying that the club don't invest in young players. So what I gather he wants players between 18-23 to come straight into the team?

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:38 pm

He's right you know. We should be signing young, creative, quick players. Who can immediately make an impact at a mid-table Premier League side. And who don't cost too much. And who fit within our wage structure. And who find Burnley more attractive than 19 other clubs.

Can't believe we aren't doing this. Seems obvious, now you've said it.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:41 pm

Sheffield United seemed to have a few on Saturday

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:43 pm

The OP can look at wiki - here are some of the players we signed just this season for the U23's

Joel Senior - Curzon Ashton
Ryan Cooney - Bury
Bailey Peacock-Farrell - Leeds United
Adam Phillips - Free agent
Lukas Jensen - Hellerup (Denmark)
Joel Mumbongo - Hellas Verona (Italy)

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:58 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:But OP is having a pop at the transfer policy saying that the club don't invest in young players. So what I gather he wants players between 18-23 to come straight into the team?

No we seem to have moved away from this policy and want to know why ??

We have the oldest squad in the league who are still getting older and sooner or later we will need to replace about 5 in one window and i know where that will get us.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:59 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:The OP can look at wiki - here are some of the players we signed just this season for the U23's

Joel Senior - Curzon Ashton
Ryan Cooney - Bury
Bailey Peacock-Farrell - Leeds United
Adam Phillips - Free agent
Lukas Jensen - Hellerup (Denmark)
Joel Mumbongo - Hellas Verona (Italy)

And you will probably never see any of them play in the first team.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:01 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:We have the oldest squad in the league who are still getting older..

Afraid that applies to all of us mate.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:05 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:And you will probably never see any of them play in the first team.

Probably not

So, with that conclusion, having an Academy and a Development squad is pointless - and the money saved running them should be spent on transfer fee's for young players with proven Premier League quality?

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:07 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:Probably not

So, with that conclusion, having an Academy and a Development squad is pointless - and the money saved running them should be spent on transfer fee's for young players with proven Premier League quality?

I dont know i am not a professional manager but i think you need a bit of both

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:20 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:And you will probably never see any of them play in the first team.

Out of interest, how much do you know about our youth team?

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:54 pm

Spijed wrote:Out of interest, how much do you know about our youth team?

Only from what Tony posts about and website and never seen any play but the old saying is if good enough then old enough

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:50 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:And you will probably never see any of them play in the first team.

How would you know that ? You have never seen them play. We have a 16 year old in Lewis Richardson who is playing and scoring for the u23. There were a number of clubs after him. Dwight McNeil was playing for the u23s only a year ago.
We made £25m profit on selling a youngster we bought.

We cannot compete against the likes of Chelsea, United, City, Liverpool in signing youngsters. The likes of Chalobah and Bamford were on £30k a week as youngsters at Chelsea and were a million miles from their first team and have not exactly been superstars since.

Blackburn were a status one Academy for years and they used to get a lot of the local Burnley youngsters before we opened our facilities and had our own success. How many Blackburn players have come through their system and they have spent a lot of money over many years into their youth system.

What exactly do you want the club to do that they haven’t done in the last 8 years ? - look at the list of young players we have signed and how much money we have made from selling them or keeping them and seeing their value increase.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:01 pm

bobinho wrote:When we become Chelsea or man citeh or (insert name of ridiculously wealthy club here).

Until then... as you were. Seems like what we’re doing isn’t all that bad...

Chelsea are being/(have been/ongoing) investigated regarding their youth policy, they've found every dodgy loophole and exploited them to the fullest and beyond.