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Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:32 pm

Chorley MP just elected new Commons Speaker.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:33 pm

Tories forced out a Tory speaker because he wasn't Brexity enough and got a Labour speaker as replacement. lol

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Herts Clarets » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:35 pm

Any relation to Doug Hoyle?

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Funkydrummer » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:36 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:Any relation to Doug Hoyle?
Or Olive ?
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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by conyoviejo » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:38 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:Any relation to Doug Hoyle?
His son.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by AndyClaret » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:42 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Tories forced out a Tory speaker because he wasn't Impartial and got a Labour speaker who will be as replacement. lol
Well said !

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:44 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Chorley MP just elected new Commons Speaker.
Is he a Brexit supporter? :D

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by tiger76 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:44 pm

Well done that man he's had to wait in the wings,well Bercow held the reins for almost a decade,of course this means he'll contest Chorley as the Speaker seeking re-election and not the Labour candidate.

The SNP might not be so happy,just reading his Wiki page and i noted these points.

In February 2017, Hoyle told off SNP MPs for singing the European Anthem during the vote for the Brexit Bill in the House of Commons, stating that he does not want parliament to turn into a sing-off. The same night, he had a clash with former Scottish First Minister, Alex Salmond, in a heated exchange over whether he had cut off an SNP MP while speaking.

I suspect Hoyle will be a lower-profile Speaker than Bercow,mind you that wouldn't be hard.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Foulthrow » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:45 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Tories forced out a Tory speaker because he wasn't Brexity enough and got a Labour speaker as replacement. lol
He is a Brexiteer though.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by IanMcL » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:46 pm

He doesn't like clapping either.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by tiger76 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:46 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Is he a Brexit supporter? :D
Quite sensibly he refuses to say which way he voted in 2016.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:46 pm

I’ve had a pint with him in the Strangers bar and in a short time he appeared a decent bloke.
At the same session I had a pint with Nigel Evans and so did he.
Which just proves just how good politicians are at selling themselves.
Good luck to him in that madhouse.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:50 pm

Foulthrow wrote:He is a Brexiteer though.

I'm sure. It's just weird that they couldn't find a Tory good enough to do the job.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:53 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm sure. It's just weird that they couldn't find a Tory good enough to do the job.
Why would they? They are a minority government or did they not even nominate?

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Foulthrow » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:53 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm sure. It's just weird that they couldn't find a Tory good enough to do the job.
Maybe a cynical ploy then as the Tories realise they might need every vote possible in the Commons.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Blackrod » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:53 pm

Hopefully doesn’t like the sound of his own voice as much as the last person.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:56 pm

Oh, the irony, Blackrod. ;)
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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:56 pm

Blackrod wrote:Hopefully doesn’t like the sound of his own voice as much as the last person.
Hopefully he's as good at the job as the last person too.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by bobinho » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:06 pm

Hopefully, regardless of the way he voted in 2016 and despite whether he wants to leave or stay, he does what the last one didn't and remains impartial like he should do. And like the last one should've done, but didn't.

Good riddance to John 'look at me everyone' Bercow. Much preferred him when he was famous for being married to a tart.
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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:21 pm

bobinho wrote:Hopefully, regardless of the way he voted in 2016 and despite whether he wants to leave or stay, he does what the last one didn't and remains impartial like he should do. And like the last one should've done, but didn't.

Good riddance to John 'look at me everyone' Bercow. Much preferred him when he was famous for being married to a tart.
All Bercow has done is stick to Parliamentary procedure. It was never his job to get brexit through. The fact that his rulings don’t align with the outcome you desired doesn’t mean he has been a poor speaker.
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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:22 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Hopefully he's as good at the job as the last person too.
Like a referee, if he was good at his job nobody would of noticed him.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:23 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:Or Olive ?
I laughed at that way more than I should.
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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:29 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Like a referee, if he was good at his job nobody would of noticed him.

Bullshit. How can a referee referee a game without ever drawing the attention of the players?

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by chorleyhere » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:01 am

A very good constituency MP but sadly we may not have him as MP anymore?

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:02 am

Funkydrummer wrote:Or Olive ?
End the thread.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:08 am

chorleyhere wrote:A very good constituency MP but sadly we may not have him as MP anymore?
You will, because traditionally the speaker's seat is not contested. Can't see the Tories breaking with convention and standing against him.
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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by mdd2 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:59 am

nil_desperandum wrote:You will, because traditionally the speaker's seat is not contested. Can't see the Tories breaking with convention and standing against him.
But will Brexit Party keep their snouts out of the contest?

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Chobulous » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:33 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Tories forced out a Tory speaker because he wasn't Brexity enough and got a Labour speaker as replacement. lol
I thought the whole point was that the speaker is supposed to be impartial, so what exactly is the point you are trying to make?

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Hendrickxz » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:59 am

Radio Lancashire, when doing and election round-up, once reported that Warrington MP Doug Hoyle and his DAUGHTER Lindsay, Lab, Chorley, had both been elected to the House of Commons...

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Sausage » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:01 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:All Bercow has done is stick to Parliamentary procedure. It was never his job to get brexit through. The fact that his rulings don’t align with the outcome you desired doesn’t mean he has been a poor speaker.
I prefer to think he's been a poor speaker for his role in the expenses scandal, the way he flipped his primary residence for tax avoidance, and for his alleged bullying and sexual harassment of parliamentary aides.

Apart from that, he's a fine, upstanding, MP with impeccable morals.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Hendrickxz » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:14 am

Bercow is not well-liked at all. The paradox is that the smarmy little ego-tripper will almost definitely be "elevated" to the Lord's and permanent place on the gravy train he has so much enjoyed.
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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:30 am

Sausage wrote:I prefer to think he's been a poor speaker for his role in the expenses scandal, the way he flipped his primary residence for tax avoidance, and for his alleged bullying and sexual harassment of parliamentary aides.

Apart from that, he's a fine, upstanding, MP with impeccable morals.
The bullying and sexual harassment, if true, is reprehensible. The tax avoidance is done by everybody who has an opportunity. The expenses scandal I’m not up on, it seems a while ago now.None of them were my point. Which is that whilst sat in the chair he has stuck to parliamentary procedure, even if some of the rulings appear ludicrous.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by mdd2 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:41 am

I think at best he has interpreted parliamentary procedure. It seems that there have been more pluses than minuses the way he has gone about things listening to those in the know on't box

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by JohnMcGreal » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:50 am

The thing that Bercow's critics often fail to point out is that he happened to be the speaker at a time when the government of the day acted in an unprecedented fashion, such as attempting to bypass parliament completely, holding parliament in contempt and by attempting to shut down parliament for a prolonged period under the guise of a Queen’s speech.

Even if the speaker had been someone other than John Bercow, they still would have been put in a position where they needed to act to defend parliament because of the disgraceful conduct of the government. Granted, someone else might not have been as strong as him, but that would have been disastrous for our parliamentary democracy is they hadn’t been.
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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:50 am

nil_desperandum wrote:You will, because traditionally the speaker's seat is not contested. Can't see the Tories breaking with convention and standing against him.
Convention means nothing when you are happy to lie to the Queen and shut down the Houses of Parliament.

But if you are on the blue team, I'm sure you'll find a way to justify that.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Blackrod » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:04 am

I’m pleased there is a positive outcome on a human level for someone who has suffered so much pain and grief. Im sure he we be a good choice.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:48 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Convention means nothing when you are happy to lie to the Queen and shut down the Houses of Parliament.

But if you are on the blue team, I'm sure you'll find a way to justify that.
This is true, but it would be a pretty spectacular own goal for the "blues" to field a candidate against a popular MP who has a great deal of support and sympathy cross-party due to his daughter's death, and who would (I'm confident) win comfortably anyway.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:20 pm

Chobulous wrote:I thought the whole point was that the speaker is supposed to be impartial, so what exactly is the point you are trying to make?
Sure, you and I know that, but the people i'm laughing at don't want an impartial speaker. They want a speaker who will skew their way.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Top Claret » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:21 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:Any relation to Doug Hoyle?
Lad

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Spike » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:22 pm

IanMcL wrote:He doesn't like clapping either.
does anyone in Chorley?

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by AndyClaret » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:55 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:All Bercow has done is stick to Parliamentary procedure. It was never his job to get brexit through. The fact that his rulings don’t align with the outcome you desired doesn’t mean he has been a poor speaker.
Except from the time he didn't stick to parliamentary procedure in order to block brexit.

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:17 pm

Sounds like he has the perfect qualifications for such an important role. His 2nd wife was his Secretary until he got divorced and he supports Bolton Wanderers !!

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by charlyt » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:17 pm

[quote="FCBurnley"]Sounds like he has the perfect qualifications for such an important role. His 2nd wife was his Secretary until he got divorced and he supports Bolton Wanderers !![/

Just for the record, Sir Lindsay still is married to his second wife Catherine and they celebrated their silver wedding last year and who is his part-time secretary.
He still acts as MP for Chorley.
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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:19 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Sounds like he has the perfect qualifications for such an important role. His 2nd wife was his Secretary until he got divorced and he supports Bolton Wanderers !!

Well, at least it's not as bad as his wife having a remain sticker on her car. Imagine if that happened!

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:57 pm

charlyt wrote:
You are correct. I meant to say his current wife was his secretary when he got divorced from his first wife

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by chorleyhere » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:40 am

Spike - Nothing wrong with clapping in Chorley or on the Turf as long as the situation is appropriate !!!!

Oh and by the way the Green Party is attempting to contest the seat in Chorley

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Re: Sir Lindsay Hoyle

Post by Stayingup » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:03 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Chorley MP just elected new Commons Speaker.
Very good choice. Has more integrity and respect than the last speaker.

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