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Question about loan players

Post by brexit » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:46 am

If a player is on a season loan can they be bought in the January Window by another club i.e. not the one where the player is on loan.
The reason I ask is I have been told by an unrealiable source that we are looking at Andy King currently on loan at Rangers

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by TVC15 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:54 am

brexit wrote:If a player is on a season loan can they be bought in the January Window by another club i.e. not the one where the player is on loan.
The reason I ask is I have been told by an unrealiable source that we are looking at Andy King currently on loan at Rangers
Depends on the terms of his loan agreement I guess. If someone has agreed a season long loan with a loan fee etc then that would be a contract that could not be broken without agreement of both parties - they could do a deal to release him to sell to another club I suppose.

As for signing Andy King - hope this is not true. Not seen how he has played for Rangers but the fact he went up to play in that league does not bode well. We need to be looking at better and younger than him.

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:11 am

A standard loan deal will have a call back option in January.

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:29 am

Has he actually been playing up at Rangers? Didn't realise he was up there. Unless Drinkwater is going back I don't think it's a position we'll be looking to strengthen anyway.

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by Goobs » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:35 am

A quick look shows he has only made 5 appearances for Rangers, 2 league, 2 league cup and 1 Europa league.

Don't know why this is but if it is because he isn't good enough for them, then he certainly isn't good enough for us.

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by dougcollins » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:17 pm

My question about loan players is why do we bother?
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Re: Question about loan players

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:19 pm

Would be a signing which highlights how much we struggle in the market

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:11 pm

Andy King was a decent player 4yrs ago but then so was Scottie Arfield and I wouldn't want him back either

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by TVC15 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:15 pm

dougcollins wrote:My question about loan players is why do we bother?
In case we find the next Michael Keane type loan signing and bag ourselves £25m profit

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:15 pm

Goobs wrote:A quick look shows he has only made 5 appearances for Rangers, 2 league, 2 league cup and 1 Europa league.

Don't know why this is but if it is because he isn't good enough for them, then he certainly isn't good enough for us.
Going off his previous history he's probably injured.

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by MACCA » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:20 pm

dougcollins wrote:My question about loan players is why do we bother?
To plug a gap.

Other than Keane, who we tried to buy first anyway, and was always a loan to buy, then there has been very little in terms of impact, quality ir value for money.

But Sean's style and he says so himself isn't condusive to the loan market

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by Bosscat » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:42 pm

dougcollins wrote:My question about loan players is why do we bother?
Ben Mee
Keiran Trippier
Sam Vokes
Michael Keane to name but 4 ....

Want me to go on :D
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Re: Question about loan players

Post by dougcollins » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:56 pm

Bosscat wrote:Ben Mee
Keiran Trippier
Sam Vokes
Michael Keane to name but 4 ....

Want me to go on :D


Are we just to ignore the much bigger list?

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by dougcollins » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:00 pm

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by RogerBest » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:03 pm

dougcollins wrote:Are we just to ignore the much bigger list?
Kightly, Cork, Cahill ...

No club has success with every player they loan but I think we have done pretty well.

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:05 pm

Bosscat wrote:Ben Mee
Keiran Trippier
Sam Vokes
Michael Keane to name but 4 ....

Want me to go on :D

Come on boss, you know how it works. We ignore the ones that worked out for us and highlight the ones that didn't

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by dougcollins » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:14 pm

You could at least limit it to SD's tenure.

Not saying we haven't done well in the past, it just hasn't been too good under Dyche.

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by Bosscat » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:14 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Come on boss, you know how it works. We ignore the ones that worked out for us and highlight the ones that didn't
Sorry m8 I forgot that :( Have been away and am slightly out of the loop :D

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:31 pm

Goobs wrote:A quick look shows he has only made 5 appearances for Rangers, 2 league, 2 league cup and 1 Europa league.

Don't know why this is but if it is because he isn't good enough for them, then he certainly isn't good enough for us.
Agree. Barton was useless.

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by Goobs » Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:19 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Agree. Barton was useless.
Barton was good enough for Rangers he just had a bust up which stopped him from playing, but of course you knew that.

If King has been doing the same hence his lack of game time then you may have a point, however my original point still stands.

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:04 pm

dougcollins wrote:My question about loan players is why do we bother?
Pretty obvious really, we sign them to act as cover as we have seen in recent years with Chalobah, Flanagan, Bamford & NKoudou.

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by Dy1geo » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:47 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Pretty obvious really, we sign them to act as cover as we have seen in recent years with Chalobah, Flanagan, Bamford & NKoudou.
To be honest if that’s why we have signed Drinkwater it’s expensive cover, when we had David Jones who could have been signed to fulfill the cover role

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Re: Question about loan players

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:02 pm

Dy1geo wrote:To be honest if that’s why we have signed Drinkwater it’s expensive cover, when we had David Jones who could have been signed to fulfill the cover role
I didn't include Drinkwater because I think he came in because we knew we were not going to have Defour. Unfortunately, for the obvious reasons, that one hasn't quite worked out as yet.

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