Pope is 1234

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:16 pm

England are now allocating legacy numbers for debut appearances

Turns out Pope was the 1234th player to make his debut

Oh and he’s also in the squad for next set of games

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:21 pm

Just a few notable others :-
John Angus 796
Tommy Boyle 363
Ralph Coates 864
Martin Dobson 893
Bob Kelly 396
Brian Miller 797
Ray Pointer 799.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:31 pm

I think Jack Yates was our earliest, 165, he played one game against Ireland in 1899 and scored a hat-trick.
The most infamous was Jack Hillman, 242, who was banned for the whole of the 1900/01 season for trying to bribe Notts Forest players in the last game of the previous season to enable Burnley to avoid relegation.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:31 pm

Pope Gregory IX was Pope in 1234...

Apparently Gregory IX promulgated the Decretals in 1234, a code of canon law that remained the fundamental source of ecclesiastical law for the Catholic Church until after World War I.

Edukashunal coming in ere innit

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:49 pm

"England's Number 1234, England, England's Number 1234...."

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:22 pm

Bosscat wrote:Pope Gregory IX was Pope in 1234...

Apparently Gregory IX promulgated the Decretals in 1234, a code of canon law that remained the fundamental source of ecclesiastical law for the Catholic Church until after World War I.

Edukashunal coming in ere innit

Well mate I was thinking of trying to make some sort of joke about the Pope but you beat me to it with a serious piece of info. The problem lies in you uncovering yet another conspiracy. Pope? 1234? This cannot be a coincidence! Marrying up two things like that will have the wrath of the entire Catholic church rain down on you from high. It seems they have been waiting for the right moment to unleash the second coming and that was to have been shortly after Pope 1234 appeared. Now you have exploded their plot. Move house quickly Boss and change your name - it's the only thing that will save you. Killer monks are unstoppable.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:27 pm

houseboy wrote:Well mate I was thinking of trying to make some sort of joke about the Pope but you beat me to it with a serious piece of info. The problem lies in you uncovering yet another conspiracy. Pope? 1234? This cannot be a coincidence! Marrying up two things like that will have the wrath of the entire Catholic church rain down on you from high. It seems they have been waiting for the right moment to unleash the second coming and that was to have been shortly after Pope 1234 appeared. Now you have exploded their plot. Move house quickly Boss and change your name - it's the only thing that will save you. Killer monks are unstoppable.

Am now awaiting Michael Palin, Terry Gilliam and Graham Chapman to burst through the door....

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, and surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... oh bugger I'll come in again

.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:32 pm

There'll be some terrible players amongst those 1244. Carlton Palmer springs instantly to mind.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:42 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:There'll be some terrible players amongst those 1244. Carlton Palmer springs instantly to mind.

His uncle Arnold was a great Golfer though

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:42 pm

Bosscat wrote:Am now awaiting Michael Palin, Terry Gilliam and Graham Chapman to burst through the door....

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, and surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... oh bugger I'll come in again .

Love it mate, love it. That's almost as good as the argument between the Judean People's Front and the People's Front of Judea.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:47 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:England are now allocating legacy numbers for debut appearances

Turns out Pope was the 1234th player to make his debut

Oh and he’s also in the squad for next set of games

What happens if maddison and tomori both start on the next game?

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:01 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:There'll be some terrible players amongst those 1244. Carlton Palmer springs instantly to mind.

And Brian Greenhof. Proves how desperate we were in those sad times.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:06 pm

A couple of notable others are Jay Rod (1200) and Danny Ings (1211), although both of them won their International caps after leaving Burnley. I think we had 28 players honoured for England WHILST playing for Burnley but I'm quite happy to be corrected on that figure.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:11 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:A couple of notable others are Jay Rod (1200) and Danny Ings (1211), although both of them won their International caps after leaving Burnley. I think we had 28 players honoured for England WHILST playing for Burnley but I'm quite happy to be corrected on that figure.

Don't forget the lad that scored for England in Russia m8 Keiran Trippier 1222 now plying his trade in Spain

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:13 pm

Not sure how Stones gets in the squad

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:14 pm

Bosscat wrote:Don't forget the lad that scored for England in Russia m8 Keiran Trippier now plying his trade in Soain

Tripps was at Tottenham when he won his first cap.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:20 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Tripps was at Tottenham when he won his first cap.

Yes obvs .....

90% (exageration) of the players mentioned in this thread don't currently play for Burnley and quite a few never have or will

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:26 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:What happens if maddison and tomori both start on the next game?

Then Pope will still be number 1234

(not sure if missing an obvious joke here

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Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:30 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:Then Pope will still be number 1234

(not sure if missing an obvious joke here )

I guess he means which of the two will be 1245 and which 1246.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:44 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:What happens if maddison and tomori both start on the next game?

Pretty certain it will be alphabetical so Maddison on 1245 and Tomori 1246.

There has been a precedent and remarkably it involved two Burnley players. In the England game against Austria in 1961 both John Angus and Brian Miller made their England debuts, Angus has been allocated 796 and Miller 797.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:53 pm

That's one helluva game of bingo going on there.

Surprisingly, this has not yet been asked, who's No 1 ?

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:56 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:That's one helluva game of bingo going on there.

Surprisingly, this has not yet been asked, who's No 1 ?

Robert Barker.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:57 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:That's one helluva game of bingo going on there.

Surprisingly, this has not yet been asked, who's No 1 ?

Everyone should know that m8....

Legacy Numbers

Robert Barker, England’s goalkeeper in football’s first international match in 1872, at number 1 to recent debutant Tyrone Mings at number 1244

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:57 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Robert Barker.

???????????

EDIT Thanks for the info, couldn't be ar$ed looking it up.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:33 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:I guess he means which of the two will be 1245 and which 1246.

Ahhh that makes sense

I’m assuming alphabetical order

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:28 pm

houseboy wrote:Well mate I was thinking of trying to make some sort of joke about the Pope but you beat me to it with a serious piece of info. The problem lies in you uncovering yet another conspiracy. Pope? 1234? This cannot be a coincidence! Marrying up two things like that will have the wrath of the entire Catholic church rain down on you from high. It seems they have been waiting for the right moment to unleash the second coming and that was to have been shortly after Pope 1234 appeared. Now you have exploded their plot. Move house quickly Boss and change your name - it's the only thing that will save you. Killer monks are unstoppable.

Houseboy again making stuff up. None of this is actually true.

Helmshore Claret · Post by **Helmshore Claret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:35 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:I think Jack Yates was our earliest, 165, he played one game against Ireland in 1899 and scored a hat-trick.
The most infamous was Jack Hillman, 242, who was banned for the whole of the 1900/01 season for trying to bribe Notts Forest players in the last game of the previous season to enable Burnley to avoid relegation.

According to the Burnley records he failed,as we lost 4-0; but, at least,he tried!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:36 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Pretty certain it will be alphabetical so Maddison on 1245 and Tomori 1246.

There has been a precedent and remarkably it involved two Burnley players. In the England game against Austria in 1961 both John Angus and Brian Miller made their England debuts, Angus has been allocated 796 and Miller 797.

Theres the answer. Thanks as ever rbc

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:52 pm

Helmshore Claret wrote:According to the Burnley records he failed,as we lost 4-0; but, at least,he tried!

All the reports suggest he did try, Helmshore. But he paid with one hell of a price, a full season ban in 1900/01.

As you rightly say he failed and we suffered relegation as a consequence. It was not until the 1913/14 season that we resumed our place in Division One and by that time Hillman was long gone.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:10 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Houseboy again making stuff up. None of this is actually true.

You don't say.... House was making it up.... so I can unbolt the doors and cancel the Witness protection programme...
Thank f**k for that I was getting worried....

Ffs m8

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:33 pm

Have to say the one thing the FA have highlighted to me in this legacy numbers exercise is the yawning gap between Martin Dobson (893) in 1974 and Tom Heaton (1216) in 2016..........Was there really a gap of 42 years during which no Burnley player made his debut for England ?

In the previous 75 years from 1899 to 1974 we had, I think, 24 players representing England and of course we've had three since 2016, Nick, Jack & Tarks.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:02 pm

Who is number 1?

I am not a number I am a free man!

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:08 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:Who is number 1?

I am not a number I am a free man!

It's Robert Barker, way back in 1872.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:12 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:A couple of notable others are Jay Rod (1200) and Danny Ings (1211), although both of them won their International caps after leaving Burnley. I think we had 28 players honoured for England WHILST playing for Burnley but I'm quite happy to be corrected on that figure.

I’ll correct you - it’s 29

Jack Yates
James Crabtree
Jack Hillman
William Bannister
Bert Freeman
Tommy Boyle
Willie Watson
Eddie Mosscrop
Bob Kelly
Jerry Dawson
Jack Hill
Jack Bruton
Louis Page
George Waterfield
Billy Elliott
Brian Pilkington
Colin McDonald
John Connelly
John Angus
Brian Miller
Ray Pointer
Gordon Harris
Ralph Coates
Martin Dobson
Tom Heaton
Michael Keane
Jack Cork
James Tarkowski
Nick Pope

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:18 pm

Cheers for that CT. I missed Michael Keane for some reason.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:20 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Have to say the one thing the FA have highlighted to me in this legacy numbers exercise is the yawning gap between Martin Dobson (893) in 1974 and Tom Heaton (1216) in 2016..........Was there really a gap of 42 years during which no Burnley player made his debut for England ?

In the previous 75 years from 1899 to 1974 we had, I think, 24 players representing England and of course we've had three since 2016, Nick, Jack & Tarks.

We had Trevor Steven - but he wasn't playing for us by then. Lee Dixon the same. Ian Wright and Gascoigne went the other direction. There may be more that I haven't recalled.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:28 pm

AndrewJB wrote:We had Trevor Steven - but he wasn't playing for us by then. Lee Dixon the same. Ian Wright and Gascoigne went the other direction. There may be more that I haven't recalled.

Andrew....... Mike Phelan, Dave Thomas and Tony Morley also come into that category, but none of them played for England WHILST they were at Burnley.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:39 pm

AndrewJB wrote:We had Trevor Steven - but he wasn't playing for us by then. Lee Dixon the same. Ian Wright and Gascoigne went the other direction. There may be more that I haven't recalled.

These are post war players who have played for Burnley and England but won caps before or after they played for us.

Before

Joey Barton
Andy Cole
Gordon Cowans
Paul Gascoigne
Keith Newton
David Nugent
Nick Pickering
Kevin Reeves
Michael Ricketts
Paul Stewart
Mike Summerbee
Dennis Tueart
David Unsworth
Tony Waiters
Chris Waddle
Chris Woods
Ian Wright

After

Gary Cahill
Nathaniel Chalobah
Lee Dixon
Danny Ings
Micky Phelan
Trevor Steven
Dave Thomas
Kieran Trippier

Both

Tony Morley
Jay Rodriguez

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:16 am

Claretmatt4 wrote:Houseboy again making stuff up. None of this is actually true.

Heaven for-fend that I should do such a thing.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:26 am

houseboy wrote:Heaven for-fend that I should do such a thing.

Not going to talk or reply to you again house .... apparently one person thinks you, Steve1956 and I are the same person

Apparently he thinks we are one account and probably the reason the "His Dark Materials' thread has been removed by the Moderators.....

I know we have the same sense of humour m8 but thats effin ridiculous...

I called the accuser a loony and a tit ... I reckon he got a tad upset at that, but he was asking me to explain why I wouldn't give him proof of "banned books" and quoting your posts

Several tried to explain I wasn't you or Steve but the clown wasn't having it...

Even included the picture of Steve and I meeting at the Everton match in the Fanzone ......

Comedy gold m8 worthy of a Python sketch in its own right

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:21 pm

Bosscat wrote:Not going to talk or reply to you again house .... apparently one person thinks you, Steve1956 and I are the same person

Apparently he thinks we are one account and probably the reason the "His Dark Materials' thread has been removed by the Moderators.....

I know we have the same sense of humour m8 but thats effin ridiculous...

I called the accuser a loony and a tit ... I reckon he got a tad upset at that, but he was asking me to explain why I wouldn't give him proof of "banned books" and quoting your posts

Several tried to explain I wasn't you or Steve but the clown wasn't having it...

Even included the picture of Steve and I meeting at the Everton match in the Fanzone ......

Comedy gold m8 worthy of a Python sketch in its own right

Are you pulling my cord bud? For a start I didn't even know the Dark Materials thread had been axed - why was that anyway? And as we all know bud we can't be the same because I am far better looking than you.

And I couldn't pick a lock if my life depended on it.
For the benefit of said loony I'll endeavor to explain.The only relationship between me and Steve is that we were mates about 40-odd years ago and we used to go the Turf with a gang of us back in the days of flairs and loons.We haven't been in the same room for over 40 years and the only reason we found out who we both were on here is because Steve guessed it from some references I made and from my username (which reflects my rather unusual surname). You and I Boss have never (to the best of my knowledge) met but know each other from the Lancashire Telegraph Burnley forum, where I was known as Houseclaret, a name I couldn't use on here because it was 'taken'.

The fact that we have the same sense of humour and have the same or similar tastes in music has probably more to do with being a similar age than being joined at the hip.

So I hope that clears it up. To the gentleman who has paranoia may I suggest a good psychiatrist.

Now I'll just go on to my other accounts and make similar denials.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:08 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:There'll be some terrible players amongst those 1244. Carlton Palmer springs instantly to mind.

I'll see your Carlton Palmer and raise you a Nick Pickering......

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:42 pm

houseboy wrote:Are you pulling my cord bud? For a start I didn't even know the Dark Materials thread had been axed - why was that anyway? And as we all know bud we can't be the same because I am far better looking than you. And I couldn't pick a lock if my life depended on it.
For the benefit of said loony I'll endeavor to explain.The only relationship between me and Steve is that we were mates about 40-odd years ago and we used to go the Turf with a gang of us back in the days of flairs and loons.We haven't been in the same room for over 40 years and the only reason we found out who we both were on here is because Steve guessed it from some references I made and from my username (which reflects my rather unusual surname). You and I Boss have never (to the best of my knowledge) met but know each other from the Lancashire Telegraph Burnley forum, where I was known as Houseclaret, a name I couldn't use on here because it was 'taken'.

The fact that we have the same sense of humour and have the same or similar tastes in music has probably more to do with being a similar age than being joined at the hip.

So I hope that clears it up. To the gentleman who has paranoia may I suggest a good psychiatrist.

Now I'll just go on to my other accounts and make similar denials.

I think it got pulled because said loony complained that I called him a loony and a tit for trying to get me to prove comments I hadn't made ... so he tried to say you me and Steve are the same account

I reckon he reported me for tearing into him for denying I was you and Steve

There is no accounting for some folks ....

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:52 pm

Bosscat wrote:I think it got pulled because said loony complained that I called him a loony and a tit for trying to get me to prove comments I hadn't made ... so he tried to say you me and Steve are the same account

I reckon he reported me for tearing into him for denying I was you and Steve

There is no accounting for some folks ....

I wish I was you Boss, you're retired and have far more money than me (but at least I have the looks).

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:01 pm

houseboy wrote:I wish I was you Boss, you're retired and have far more money than me (but at least I have the looks).

Yeah m8 we know .... they do say if you keep saying it m8 it must come true

I love being me

thankfully the wife agrees with me too

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:10 pm

Jon Flanagan is another who unbelievably was capped before he joined us. I’ve a feeling it will be his only one.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:16 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:Jon Flanagan is another who unbelievably was capped before he joined us. I’ve a feeling it will be his only one.

He has - I'd missed him off the list above

groove · Post by **groove** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:18 pm

Legacy numbers? What a load of pointless crap. If it had been going on for over a hundred years fair enough. But to just posthumously give everyone a pointless number just seems a complete waste of time.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:33 pm

groove wrote:Legacy numbers? What a load of pointless crap. If it had been going on for over a hundred years fair enough. But to just posthumously give everyone a pointless number just seems a complete waste of time.

Cricket has been doing it for years ... nowt wrong with it and not only that, it gives bored people something to chat about on internet forums.....

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:21 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:I'll see your Carlton Palmer and raise you a Nick Pickering......

World's worst game of Top Trumps?

Stewart Ripley!