Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?

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Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?

Post by Spijed » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:17 pm

Against Chelsea and Sheff United?

Cant help but think would could have been look at an extra four points at least.

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Re: Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?

Post by edison » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:19 pm

Not sure playing an injured striker would have helped
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Re: Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:26 pm

Bardsley was injured as well.

But while Taylor has played

1-0 against Everton (30 mins or so)
0-0 against Sheff Utd (2nd half)
3-0 against West Ham (full game)

The lad is unbeaten
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Re: Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?

Post by ClaretMov » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:27 pm

Taylor helping out McNeil makes a massive difference to McNeil's game.
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Re: Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?

Post by Inchy » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:30 pm

We gifted the game to Chelsea so I don’t think it would have made a difference

At Sheff Utd they were at us early and we couldn’t cope. Although we were dreadful, Sheffield were very good that game

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Re: Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?

Post by claretcarrot93 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:35 pm

ClaretMov wrote:Taylor helping out McNeil makes a massive difference to McNeil's game.
I thought the McNeil is slightly under-performing due to not playing with Taylor was a myth.

After Saturday I am not sure about that anymore, maybe everyone was correct.

Taylor is superb and gets better every game.
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Re: Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?

Post by Vino blanco » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:36 pm

Yes.

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Post by AlargeClaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:56 pm

Certainly a high quality version of Lowton is needed in the transfer window , though Bardsley does ok until the inevitable stupid challenge comes along . Big fan of Taylor and our left side is looking good with Brady/pieters as back up

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Post by claretspice » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:58 pm

Possibly, some difference. Certainly against Chelsea. Not too sure that the changes to the back 4 in particular would have made that much difference against Sheffield United though, and even after Saturday I'm not totally sure that the changes we've made necessarily address all of our weaknesses away from home in particular. But what Wood and Taylor in particular do is give us more attacking options, help us keep the ball better.

Bardsley did fine on Saturday but I'm less convinced he's the answer. What he did on Saturday was give Dyche an extra coaching voice on the pitch to stop some of the sloppiness we've seen recently. Whether that translates over a run of games I'm unsure.

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Post by Bosscat » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:59 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:Certainly a high quality version of Lowton is needed in the transfer window , though Bardsley does ok until the inevitable stupid challenge comes along . Big fan of Taylor and our left side is looking good with Brady/pieters as back up
My m8 looked a prices for Bards picking up a yellow card and evens was the best price :lol:

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Post by MACCA » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:01 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:I thought the McNeil is slightly under-performing due to not playing with Taylor was a myth.

After Saturday I am not sure about that anymore, maybe everyone was correct.

Taylor is superb and gets better every game.
He creates so much space for McNeil to exploit, and they cant double up on him as much, and if or when they do, Taylor has a run.

They compliment each other very well, as both can ping in a deadly ball.

Not only that Taylor's pace and ability to run with the ball wins throw ons, corners, free kicks and eases pressure.
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Post by houseboy » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:07 pm

Bardsley and Taylor came in after some pretty dire defensive performances (not sure Bardsley would have been playing in the two previous games even if he'd been fully fit). Wood is a shoe-in when fit so it's hard to say all-in-all. It certainly seemed to make a difference though. Be interesting to see who is in the team against Watford (at the back of course - we have to assume Barnes and Wood up front).

Also it will be interesting to see how we perform away from home with that line up (if that is what it is) because we sure as hell need to start winning the odd game away, failure to win away puts far more pressure on at home, as we all know.
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Post by Longside4evr » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:21 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Bardsley was injured as well.

But while Taylor has played

1-0 against Everton (30 mins or so)
0-0 against Sheff Utd (2nd half)
3-0 against West Ham (full game)

The lad is unbeaten
Bardsley was warming up at Sheffield and was fit to play but wasn't quite ready for the Chelsea game before that
I like Bardo he gets stuck in and in your face type player never fears a challenge i think in my view is better option in our setup
This is not to criticize Pieters has i think early doors did a great job but hes not consistent enough for me and gets caught out when players cut inside him

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Re: Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?

Post by CaptJohn » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:24 pm

ClaretMov wrote:Taylor helping out McNeil makes a massive difference to McNeil's game.
This is so true. McNeil plays better with Charlie at LB. I'm not knocking Pieters but it's a fact.

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Re: Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:33 pm

Sheffield Utd did us on shape and game plan.

When we play them again it has to be 4-5-1 with wingers playing very wide and making the pitch big.

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Re: Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:49 pm

I think Watford will use Deulofeu to target our right flank. The question is whether a Hendrick/Lowton or a Hendrick/Bardsley combination is the answer. I think the latter as I think that their pretty boy won’t relish a hard challenge - just as Anderson disappeared on Saturday.

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Post by ClaretLoup » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:02 pm

Talking about "if onlys"...... Wood was caught offside five times in the first half on Saturday. If he could fix that fault somehow, he could move up into the 10 - 15 goal a season bracket at least.

Re Pieters he looks a decent player to me but is on his way out, whereas Taylor looks the better footballer and is on his way up. Lowton has been inconsistent this season even during one game, whereas with Bardsley you get what it says on the tin. It will be interesting to see how he handles Zaha as Saint Maxillian who plays for Newcastle if he is selected for those fixtures.

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Post by Tall Paul » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:04 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:Talking about "if onlys"...... Wood was caught offside five times in the first half on Saturday. If he could fix that fault somehow, he could move up into the 10 - 15 goal a season bracket at least.
He's already in that bracket.
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Post by MACCA » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:05 pm

Tall Paul wrote:He's already in that bracket.
Without penalties!

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Re: Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?

Post by ClaretLoup » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:11 pm

Yep he's on track so far, but as someone has pointed out, possibly not on this thread, Wood benefits greatly from the service he gets from McNeil. If they could find a Doug Collins type to feed McNeil in the same way Dougie used to feed Taffy, then the whole team could go up another gear offensively.

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Post by Rileybobs » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:14 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:Talking about "if onlys"...... Wood was caught offside five times in the first half on Saturday. If he could fix that fault somehow, he could move up into the 10 - 15 goal a season bracket at least.
Never was it more obvious than in Saturday's game that Wood's success is reliant on him playing on the shoulder of the last man and an unfortunate, but hardly damaging by-product of this is that he will be caught offside regularly. He caused their defence nightmares and beat the offside trap and found himself bearing down on goal on numerous occasions.

Worth just noting that he wasn't caught offside five times in the first half on Saturday either. He was caught offside a total of 4 times in the entire 90 minutes, and one of those occasions was his disallowed goal which is entirely forgivable.
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Post by houseboy » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:15 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:Talking about "if onlys"...... Wood was caught offside five times in the first half on Saturday. If he could fix that fault somehow, he could move up into the 10 - 15 goal a season bracket at least.

Re Pieters he looks a decent player to me but is on his way out, whereas Taylor looks the better footballer and is on his way up. Lowton has been inconsistent this season even during one game, whereas with Bardsley you get what it says on the tin. It will be interesting to see how he handles Zaha as Saint Maxillian who plays for Newcastle if he is selected for those fixtures.
He's already on course for that. In fact both he and Barnes are actually on target for 15+ each. Don't think it will happen but what chance one of them doing it? That would be fantastic.

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Post by martin_p » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:20 pm

We’ve lost five times this season. Those five teams currently sit in the top six. Now I can’t see Sheffield United staying there but the other four probably will.
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Post by Pimlico_Claret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:46 pm

Longside4evr wrote:Bardsley was warming up at Sheffield and was fit to play but wasn't quite ready for the Chelsea game before that
I like Bardo he gets stuck in and in your face type player never fears a challenge i think in my view is better option in our setup
This is not to criticize Pieters has i think early doors did a great job but hes not consistent enough for me and gets caught out when players cut inside him
I think you'll find that Bardsley is Lowtons replacement.

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Post by Longside4evr » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:52 pm

I think you'll find that Bardsley is Lowtons replacement.

I know that it just crossed over to the other change on the left they were two changes in our fullbacks that contributed better on Saturday
Not only that Taylor was Pieters replacement when he was roped off at half time at Sheffield i think i was there to witness that but i dont think some of the players were :lol:

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Post by bfcmik » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:06 pm

To answer the OP's question - who knows. Would those 3 have made a difference or would they have caught the general malaise that seemed to have infected the whole team at Bramall Lane? We can't say, BUT, we can play badly on any given day and do so 2 or 3 times a season just as we can play like potential Champions 2 or 3 times a season - not always for the full 90 minutes though (Brighton away, for example)

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Post by Blackrod » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:15 pm

Other than that goal I think Wood would have offered us more against Chelsea than JayRod.
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Post by Stayingup » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:49 pm

ClaretMov wrote:Taylor helping out McNeil makes a massive difference to McNeil's game.
Yes probably no coincidence that McNiel had a superb game.

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Post by MrTopTier » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:26 pm

I think even with 14 against 11 we would still have struggled :D

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:42 pm

Blackrod wrote:Other than that goal I think Wood would have offered us more against Chelsea than JayRod.
Jay Rod offered far more than Barnes as well.

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Post by Goobs » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:50 pm

MACCA wrote:Without penalties!
Aye cos one penalty every 3 seasons makes a big difference to his stats ;)

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Post by MACCA » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:06 pm

Goobs wrote:Aye cos one penalty every 3 seasons makes a big difference to his stats ;)
Exactly, if he played for Palace, he would get 10 a season from penalties alone!

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Post by jojomk1 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:09 pm

Spijed wrote:Against Chelsea and Sheff United?

Cant help but think would could have been look at an extra four points at least.
Can't believe I am reading this (even in weird english)

Spijed of all people, actually calling out our manager

Shame on you :D

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Post by claretspice » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:42 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Never was it more obvious than in Saturday's game that Wood's success is reliant on him playing on the shoulder of the last man and an unfortunate, but hardly damaging by-product of this is that he will be caught offside regularly. He caused their defence nightmares and beat the offside trap and found himself bearing down on goal on numerous occasions.

Worth just noting that he wasn't caught offside five times in the first half on Saturday either. He was caught offside a total of 4 times in the entire 90 minutes, and one of those occasions was his disallowed goal which is entirely forgivable.
Completely agree with your first paragraph, and I'm a big fan of the underrated way in which Wood runs the channels and in behind, but I'm a bit surprised the disallowed goal is deemed forgivable. To my mind, he had no reason to be offside then. He had every opportunity to get himself in a position to attack the cross that was well onside - but didn't, and ran the risk of a marginal call. To the extent folk have a point when they criticise him for being offside, its in that sort of scenario.

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Post by Spijed » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:51 pm

jojomk1 wrote:Can't believe I am reading this (even in weird english)

Spijed of all people, actually calling out our manager

Shame on you :D
It was on my phone, so not easy with predictive text and I couldn't be bothered amending it afterwards.

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Post by TVC15 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:54 pm

claretspice wrote:Completely agree with your first paragraph, and I'm a big fan of the underrated way in which Wood runs the channels and in behind, but I'm a bit surprised the disallowed goal is deemed forgivable. To my mind, he had no reason to be offside then. He had every opportunity to get himself in a position to attack the cross that was well onside - but didn't, and ran the risk of a marginal call. To the extent folk have a point when they criticise him for being offside, its in that sort of scenario.
Wow - half of his nipple was offside. No way should he be criticised for that. The whole move happened very quickly too.
On Wood I thought he was brilliant on Saturday and that one of the most impressive parts of his game was the way he was getting in front of Diop for the long balls being hit at him and bringing it down on his chest and he then kept the move going. He must have done it 5 or 6 times in the game and I thought it was massive for us. I could not believe that Diop was allowing him to do it and he did not attempt once to get in front of Wood. You rarely see a player allowed to do this in a game so many times. It showed the lack of a captain / leader on the pitch for them once Noble had gone off. It’s also so much better for the team if Wood can do this as if you are trying to win the header and knock it on 9 out of 10 times you are not going to find another Burnley player.
It was also a big reason why all of our midfield played so well - Wood keeping the ball like he did and then bringing them into the play had a big impact on the game and completely nullified Declan Rice.

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Post by Rileybobs » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:58 pm

claretspice wrote:Completely agree with your first paragraph, and I'm a big fan of the underrated way in which Wood runs the channels and in behind, but I'm a bit surprised the disallowed goal is deemed forgivable. To my mind, he had no reason to be offside then. He had every opportunity to get himself in a position to attack the cross that was well onside - but didn't, and ran the risk of a marginal call. To the extent folk have a point when they criticise him for being offside, its in that sort of scenario.
I agree that he didn’t have a reason to be offside. My point was more that in the entire history of the game bar the last 3 months, Wood would have been deemed level and the goal would have stood. Obviously forwards need to adapt to the changes in the game but I can completely forgive him being offside in that particular instance.

The less forgivable one’s for me are when he appears to switch off when not expecting a ball up to him and is caught offside. But these tend to be the occasions where the effect of him being caught offside is negligible.

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Post by claretspice » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:29 pm

TVC15 wrote:Wow - half of his nipple was offside. No way should he be criticised for that. The whole move happened very quickly too.
On Wood I thought he was brilliant on Saturday and that one of the most impressive parts of his game was the way he was getting in front of Diop for the long balls being hit at him and bringing it down on his chest and he then kept the move going. He must have done it 5 or 6 times in the game and I thought it was massive for us. I could not believe that Diop was allowing him to do it and he did not attempt once to get in front of Wood. You rarely see a player allowed to do this in a game so many times. It showed the lack of a captain / leader on the pitch for them once Noble had gone off. It’s also so much better for the team if Wood can do this as if you are trying to win the header and knock it on 9 out of 10 times you are not going to find another Burnley player.
It was also a big reason why all of our midfield played so well - Wood keeping the ball like he did and then bringing them into the play had a big impact on the game and completely nullified Declan Rice.
It was a marginal offside call, but he didn't gain any advantage from leaving himself into a position where he might be given as offside (even pre-VAR -he ran the risk of the linesman making a fractionally wrong call), and he had plenty of time to get back onside once the initial ball was cleared and then worked back to McNeil via Taylor - and indeed did so, before going a fraction early for the cross when he didn't really need to.

I completely agree with you about the quality of his link up and all round game though. I'm a huge fan and have said so many times.

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Post by TVC15 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:34 pm

claretspice wrote:It was a marginal offside call, but he didn't gain any advantage from leaving himself into a position where he might be given as offside (even pre-VAR -he ran the risk of the linesman making a fractionally wrong call), and he had plenty of time to get back onside once the initial ball was cleared and then worked back to McNeil via Taylor - and indeed did so, before going a fraction early for the cross when he didn't really need to.

I completely agree with you about the quality of his link up and all round game though. I'm a huge fan and have said so many times.
Or he timed it absolutely perfectly as it is far from proven that he was even offside.
The freeze frame used by VAR and shown on TV was very clearly taken after the ball had left McNeil’s foot and not when it left his foot.
Just finding it very difficult to criticise Wood for the margins we are talking about. He is not the only one getting caught by these ridiculous new rules. Listening to the ex players on this they are all unanimous as to how ridiculous it is.
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Post by Hibsclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:13 pm

Not sure how anyone in their right mind can criticise Wood being offside for the goal which was ruled out. If you see how quick McNeil got the ball in coupled with how close it was. There really is some nonsense spouted on here sometimes. It is blatantly obvious that the way we play dictates that we will be offside more than other teams. Other teams have more pace and do not rely on our style of delivery for goal chances.

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Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:00 pm

"Would Taylor, Bardsley and Wood have made a big difference?"

Yes, I thought all three played better than the players they replaced.

McNeil's incredible cross for the offside goal was a thing of beauty.

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Post by ClaretMov » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:32 pm

Taylor is key to our overall team performance.

Not only does he make McNeil play better when Taylor overlaps him and backs him up but thinking about the team when Taylor plays he brings McNeil into the game With doing this McNeil brings Wood more into play with his crosses into the box and Barnes plays better off Wood.

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