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[Down_Rover]

How can he be too old?

Unless there are exceptional players only break into first teams these days at about 22. He is only seven years older

If he only plays two and a half seasons it will be worth it

[claretspice]

The age thing is nonsense.

Most clubs work on the basis that their team turns over across around about a three year cycle (admittedly, this is not true for us recently, but even under Dyche it held until about 12 months ago). In three years time, Allen will be 32 - which is rarely too old.

If we sign Joe Allen, then just like Jay Rod in the summer, I'd put down decent money on him being at Burnley and contributing to the first team for longer than Dwight McNeil.

There is a point about the benefit of having some younger blood in the squad, because those players tend to have a bit more to prove and without necessarily being more diligent (Allen would be no less diligent than Brownhill say, and I'd not question the diligence of any of the players we've signed in the last 2-3 years of a similar age) they can sometimes have an edge of ambition about them, because they see themselves as still being on the way up. But that's a matter of overall squad balance, and it doesn't make Joe Allen too old.

[jojomk1]

Seem to remember a story from one journal that Stoke were looking at a fee of around £15m !!

[jojomk1]

The age thing is nonsense.

If we sign Joe Allen, then just like Jay Rod in the summer, I'd put down decent money on him being at Burnley and contributing to the first team for longer than Dwight McNeil.

Difference being if McNeil leaves (and he will eventually) we will reap a huge profit

Players of the age of Allen will come with little or no resale value

[Quickenthetempo]

The age thing is nonsense.

Most clubs work on the basis that their team turns over across around about a three year cycle (admittedly, this is not true for us recently, but even under Dyche it held until about 12 months ago). In three years time, Allen will be 32 - which is rarely too old.

If we sign Joe Allen, then just like Jay Rod in the summer, I'd put down decent money on him being at Burnley and contributing to the first team for longer than Dwight McNeil.

The club need to start signing players we can sell at a later date to keep the club functioning.
We are a selling club, especially at this level.

Dyche has turned away from this for the last couple of years and we look a little uncomfortable with wages at a higher level than we would like.

If Dyche keeps going with a Stan style of experienced players, we will need an Eddie Howe style manager very quickly to sign players we can sell.

Hopefully Rigg can get Dyche to alter his ways.

[claretspice]

Resale value is important, but it's only important if you believe the resale value will materially exceed the initial cost of the player.

Lets say Joe Allen cost us £5 million. Fair enough, the resale value isn't going to be massive once he turns 30. But if you spend £15 million on a midfielder who is 23/24, then to offset the initial cash outlay (and the attendant risk - any player can lose value as easily as gain it) you're presumably hoping they'll be worth more than you paid. At the moment the premium on many younger players is so significant that finding that headroom in their resale value is almost impossible.

[FactualFrank]

Palace apparently joined the race to sign Brownhill.

Wells fee if we sell, looking to be around £6 million.

[jojomk1]

The club need to start signing players we can sell at a later date to keep the club functioning.
We are a selling club, especially at this level.

Dyche has turned away from this for the last couple of years and we look a little uncomfortable with wages at a higher level than we would like.

If Dyche keeps going with a Stan style of experienced players, we will need an Eddie Howe style manager very quickly to sign players we can sell.

Hopefully Rigg can get Dyche to alter his ways.

Not sure about the Eddie Howe bit - he's paid significant monies on some very average players at Bournemouth

Rest of your comments are very valid

[BOYSIE31]

The age thing is nonsense.

Most clubs work on the basis that their team turns over across around about a three year cycle (admittedly, this is not true for us recently, but even under Dyche it held until about 12 months ago). In three years time, Allen will be 32 - which is rarely too old.

If we sign Joe Allen, then just like Jay Rod in the summer, I'd put down decent money on him being at Burnley and contributing to the first team for longer than Dwight McNeil.

There is a point about the benefit of having some younger blood in the squad, because those players tend to have a bit more to prove and without necessarily being more diligent (Allen would be no less diligent than Brownhill say, and I'd not question the diligence of any of the players we've signed in the last 2-3 years of a similar age) they can sometimes have an edge of ambition about them, because they see themselves as still being on the way up. But that's a matter of overall squad balance, and it doesn't make Joe Allen too old.

How about having the legs ??

[taio]

Our financial model is such that we don't need to overly rely on resale values. There would be nothing wrong at all in signing a 29 year old. I wouldn't describe us as a selling club in particular. Those who criticise our transfer policy point out that we don't strengthen the starting 11 - can't on one hand say that but then also suggest our player turnover is high because we have to sell.

[Quickenthetempo]

Not sure about the Eddie Howe bit - he's paid significant monies on some very average players at Bournemouth

Rest of your comments are very valid

Just speaking of his time with us

Signing the likes of Ings, Austin and Trippier. Getting a conveyor belt of talent going.

Always having players that we could sell when needed.

[TVC15]

I reckon we should have a joint Howe / Dyche managerial combination in the old Clough / Taylor mould.

Howe can pick out the young talent but unfortunately struggles to get them play well....as all the players he bought at Burnley only realised their potential under Dyche.

We can also ensure that Dyche puts a stop to Eddie buying expensive and over rated Liverpool players like Solanke and Ibe.

I`ll drop Mr G a line and suggest it.

[claretspice]

How about having the legs ??

Nothing wrong with the legs of a 29 year old whatsoever. See Westwood for example.

As for the wages point - there's some truth in that, but only if you're saving material sums of money by buying younger players. Not sure that's true in the current market.

The point about what Howe did is all very well, but it's a lot easier to nurture and develop players in the first team in the forgiving environment of the Championship. I'd have liked to see us do a bit more long-range recruitment and get those players back out on loan to the Championship, but even the success rate with that strategy is far lower (for obvious reasons) then it is when you're developing players in your own environment at that level. And as others have said whilst we're in this league we don't need resale value. There's also something to be said for having a squad of players that won't be pillaged immediately on relegation, because it gives you a better chance of coming straight back up.

Like I say, it's about balance. Nothing wrong with the 28 - 30 age range players we've signed - they're the best value pool of players in the market pound-for-pound. But I don't think anyone disagrees with the idea we could do with an injection of freshness.

[BOYSIE31]

Nothing wrong with the legs of a 29 year old whatsoever. See Westwood for example.

As for the wages point - there's some truth in that, but only if you're saving material sums of money by buying younger players. Not sure that's true in the current market.

The point about what Howe did is all very well, but it's a lot easier to nurture and develop players in the first team in the forgiving environment of the Championship. I'd have liked to see us do a bit more long-range recruitment and get those players back out on loan to the Championship, but even the success rate with that strategy is far lower (for obvious reasons) then it is when you're developing players in your own environment at that level. And as others have said whilst we're in this league we don't need resale value. There's also something to be said for having a squad of players that won't be pillaged immediately on relegation, because it gives you a better chance of coming straight back up.

Like I say, it's about balance. Nothing wrong with the 28 - 30 age range players we've signed - they're the best value pool of players in the market pound-for-pound. But I don't think anyone disagrees with the idea we could do with an injection of freshness.

Well there is as i saw Weswood struggle up against the like of Maddison and Grealish

[claretspice]

You definitely didn't see Westwood struggle against Maddison fella. We dealt with Maddison pretty well.

But in any event, that would be nothing to do with legs, in either case. That's a result of those two - and especially the increasingly impressive Grealish - being better players. Which is why both are very likely to be playing in the Champions League next season and would be valued at north of £50 million, or ten times what we paid for Westy.

[ClaretAndJew]

Joe Allen would be a good addition on a 3 year contract. Modest wages and in the first team for at least a year.

[BOYSIE31]

You definitely didn't see Westwood struggle against Maddison fella. We dealt with Maddison pretty well.

But in any event, that would be nothing to do with legs, in either case. That's a result of those two - and especially the increasingly impressive Grealish - being better players. Which is why both are very likely to be playing in the Champions League next season and would be valued at north of £50 million, or ten times what we paid for Westy.

Oh i did for most of the game

Of course both better players because of their age

[Tall Paul]

lol Boysie

[BOYSIE31]

So here we go again a team of 30 year olds would out run a team of early 20 's - what bells****

[Jakubs Tash]

Oh i did for most of the game

Of course both better players because of their age

"because of their age"

[Tall Paul]

So here we go again a team of 30 year olds would out run a team of early 20 's - what bells****

Who is saying that?

You said Grealish and Maddison are better than Cork and Westwood because they're younger.

By that logic they must be better than Kante as well. Are they?

[Rileybobs]

Well there is as i saw Weswood struggle up against the like of Maddison and Grealish

Funny because I saw Westwood outrun a 22 year old, very highly rated Tielemans to score our winner on Sunday.

[Sleeping Cat]

Always thought of Joe Allen as a player who would suit our play and we should've gone for earlier, perhaps instead of Drinkwater.

Would be a good, solid addition, provide another option in centre midfield and could be an upgrade on what we already have (if he can find previous form at least).

[boatshed bill]

So, by Claretspice's weird logic, Joe Allen would be more use to us than Dwight McNeil because he would possibly be with us longer and resale value isn't important? Am I getting this right?
And who knows what wage demand Allen would make?
And what use would another 32 year old midfielder on PL wages be to us in the Championship, which is likely where we will end up if we don't start looking to inject some pace and increased athleticism?

[Papabendi]

Bristol in for Wells now. I guess we are looking to extract something here either from Bristol or QPR but it looks like a cunning ploy

[LeadBelly]

Sprinters tend to peak a fair bit younger (25ish) but elite marathon runners reach their peak at around 35.
Not sure why footballers at 29/30 year old would be outrun (in distance over 90 minutes) by 20-25 year olds.

[boatshed bill]

Sprinters tend to peak a fair bit younger (25ish) but elite marathon runners reach their peak at around 35.
Not sure why footballers at 29/30 year old would be outrun (in distance over 90 minutes) by 20-25 year olds.

Why not, You can see it most weeks, though desire may have something to do with it, for example it's the only way I could find to understand why Sheffield United are outperforming so many teams.

[Silkyskills1]

Oh i did for most of the game

Of course both better players because of their age

That is probably one of the funniest posts I've seen on here. Perhaps one of those you didn't cco sider for long enough before pressing the 'submit' button. Oh dear!

[Vegas Claret]

I remember being blown away when we signed the likes of Ian Moore for 1 million, I'd take Allen in a heartbeat if the fee was reasonable ! Some people have short memories.

[BOYSIE31]

Funny because I saw Westwood outrun a 22 year old, very highly rated Tielemans to score our winner on Sunday.

He didnt out run him he got left by him

[BOYSIE31]

That is probably one of the funniest posts I've seen on here. Perhaps one of those you didn't cco sider for long enough before pressing the 'submit' button. Oh dear!

Midfield is all about getting around the pitch pal and the younger you are the easier it is and because they have youth they look better and can nip in and take the ball quicker - some people on here have obviously never kicked a ball in their life

[ClaretAL]

£3M and Wells, if true ???No wonder Palace are now sniffing too.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/01/22/d ... rystal-pa/

[superdimitri]

If we sign players like Brownhill and Allen we may as well get rid of Rigg and our entire senior player scouting network.

Every man and there dog could think of those for potential signings and very underwhelming ones at that!

[FactualFrank]

£3M and Wells, if true ???No wonder Palace are now sniffing too.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/01/22/d ... rystal-pa/

Read we'd be looking for around £6 mil for Wells on his own, which I guess would make that an offer of £9 million for Brownhill.

[Zlatan]

He didnt out run him he got left by him

indeed, the speed of thought was present too - that comes with wisdom, which comes with experience, hence therefore age

[BOYSIE31]

indeed, the speed of thought was present too - that comes with wisdom, which comes with experience, hence therefore age

And that i agree with

[Vegas Claret]

Midfield is all about getting around the pitch pal and the younger you are the easier it is and because they have youth they look better and can nip in and take the ball quicker - some people on here have obviously never kicked a ball in their life

best two midfielders of the last 20 years - Xavi and Iniesta, not much pace but never gave the ball away. Nothing moves quicker than the ball so I'd say the prerequisite is being able to pass it to each other at pace rather than being able to run quickly (although that helps)

[Tall Paul]

best two midfielders of the last 20 years - Xavi and Iniesta, not much pace but never gave the ball away. Nothing moves quicker than the ball so I'd say the prerequisite is being able to pass it to each other at pace rather than being able to run quickly (although that helps)

Pirlo wasn't a bad un either and he barely moved from.the centre circle.

[FactualFrank]

best two midfielders of the last 20 years - Xavi and Iniesta, not much pace but never gave the ball away. Nothing moves quicker than the ball so I'd say the prerequisite is being able to pass it to each other at pace rather than being able to run quickly (although that helps)

They were magnificent. And as well as being able to pass, they read the game so well that they knew where to be 3-4 passes ahead of the opposition, so were often free to receive the ball in space.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Brownhill would be better than Allen.

Wells + some cash for a player who is as good as what we have, but younger and can improve in quality and value, or a lot of cash for someone who is of the same ability but will loose value and won’t improve.

[KRBFC]

Joe Allen lmao, would be another typical disaster signing.

[Jakubs Tash]

Joe Allen lmao, would be another typical disaster signing.

Go on......

[Jakubs Tash]

Midfield is all about getting around the pitch pal and the younger you are the easier it is and because they have youth they look better and can nip in and take the ball quicker - some people on here have obviously never kicked a ball in their life

"they look better"

Sounds like (if you did kick a ball yourself) you were all about effort rather than ability....

[BOYSIE31]

best two midfielders of the last 20 years - Xavi and Iniesta, not much pace but never gave the ball away. Nothing moves quicker than the ball so I'd say the prerequisite is being able to pass it to each other at pace rather than being able to run quickly (although that helps)

Ha ha a comparison for 2 of the best midfielders ever in a brilliant team - yeah its barcelona not burnley - they never had to win the ball back

[PremierLeagueClass]

Joe Allen would be a fantastic signing.

[Silkyskills1]

Midfield is all about getting around the pitch pal and the younger you are the easier it is and because they have youth they look better and can nip in and take the ball quicker - some people on here have obviously never kicked a ball in their life

I'm not your pal, just another poster. Your inference of a 23 year old looking 'better', nipping in and taking the ball quicker than a 29 year old is based on exactly what? And what does 'they look better' mean? I've certainly passed a football if that's what you mean.

[taio]

Only one person who sounds completely clueless about football but that's not a new thing.

[summitclaret]

Why can't we sign both? The club will know if Hendrick is likely to sign a new contract. Maybe this alleged interest in both is designed to force his hand?

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Go on......

Brave or stupid!!

[Silkyskills1]

Joe Allen lmao, would be another typical disaster signing.

What characteristics does Joe Allen have that make you believe him to be an impending 'typical disaster signing'? I can' t offer such an opinion because I don't see him play that often apart from an occasional TV viewing. If you've run the rule over him and have a dossier on him why do you think he would inevitably let us down?