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[KRBFC]

Go on......

Old, massive wage, big fee, not gonna improve, not better than what we currently have, zero resale value, not to mention he hasn’t exactly been ripping up the Championship. I fail to see any positives, the one thing we have to consider before signing players is we don’t want to be relegated with old players like Joe Allen on big wages with no resale value.

[claretspice]

So, by Claretspice's weird logic, Joe Allen would be more use to us than Dwight McNeil because he would possibly be with us longer and resale value isn't important? Am I getting this right?
And who knows what wage demand Allen would make?
And what use would another 32 year old midfielder on PL wages be to us in the Championship, which is likely where we will end up if we don't start looking to inject some pace and increased athleticism?

Er, no you're not getting this right, you're completely missing the point. Nowhere have I said that McNeil is less use to us than Joe Allen would be, you've made that up. The point is simply that McNeil is likely to move on before Allen is likely decline physically. In other words, at 29 he's not over the hill and he's not a short term signing any more than a young kid who would look for the next move in a couple of years is a short term signing.

The question about whether players decline physically through their 20s is an interesting one, and i've not seen any evidence for it - particularly in midfielders. The idea that Sheffield United prove the point seems far fetched to me; their regular midfield 3 includes two 28 year olds, for a start.

Of course we need to add some athleticism to the squad, but as I've said repeatedly, it's a balance. Just because we bring in a technically gifted central midfielder, it doesn't mean we can't (for example) look at a more athletic right back.

[summitclaret]

Old, massive wage, big fee, not gonna improve, not better than what we currently have, zero resale value, not to mention he hasn’t exactly been ripping up the Championship. I fail to see any positives, the one thing we have to consider before signing players is we don’t want to be relegated with old players like Joe Allen on big wages with no resale value.

If he comes he won't be on a massive wage and will have a relegation clause. Deal would be fone on contract length.

[ClaretAL]

One potential for the summer thread...

https://www.givemesport.com/1540314-che ... utoplay=on

[Zlatan]

One potential for the summer thread...

https://www.givemesport.com/1540314-che ... utoplay=on

Chelsea can just f#ck off

[Silkyskills1]

Hope his age doesn't work against him.

[KefkaClaret]

Pope played well Saturday but his shot stopping has regressed this season. Not sure Chelsea would seriously want him.

[Jakubs Tash]

Old, massive wage, big fee, not gonna improve, not better than what we currently have, zero resale value, not to mention he hasn’t exactly been ripping up the Championship. I fail to see any positives, the one thing we have to consider before signing players is we don’t want to be relegated with old players like Joe Allen on big wages with no resale value.

29 isn't old and he would be better than any of our current midfielders. He fits our mould perfectly due to his work rate, commitment and leadership on the pitch and is far better than he gets credit for with the ball at his feet. I don't think (given his age and contract situation....and the fact Stoke want him off the wage bill) that it would be a particularly big transfer fee either.

No reason why we couldn't get Allen and try to sign a couple of younger players to play next to him moving forwards.....

Allen would help us right now and would immediately fit into the ethos of this team/manager, in my opinion.

[boatshed bill]

Er, no you're not getting this right, you're completely missing the point. Nowhere have I said that McNeil is less use to us than Joe Allen would be, you've made that up. The point is simply that McNeil is likely to move on before Allen is likely decline physically. In other words, at 29 he's not over the hill and he's not a short term signing any more than a young kid who would look for the next move in a couple of years is a short term signing.

The question about whether players decline physically through their 20s is an interesting one, and i've not seen any evidence for it - particularly in midfielders. The idea that Sheffield United prove the point seems far fetched to me; their regular midfield 3 includes two 28 year olds, for a start.

Of course we need to add some athleticism to the squad, but as I've said repeatedly, it's a balance. Just because we bring in a technically gifted central midfielder, it doesn't mean we can't (for example) look at a more athletic right back.

Maybe you should keep it simple so thick folk like me don't draw the wrong conclusions

Sheffield United, as you completely understand, was an example of the possibility that increased desire can be, and often is, more effective than either skill or athleticism.
You also know for a fact that Sheffield United out-ran our team this season (despite having two 28 year olds

As I see it, adding someone like Allen, at 29 yrs old, wouldn't be a bad idea in a younger midfield. Something (McNeil aside) we do not have.

[boatshed bill]

Pope played well Saturday but his shot stopping has regressed this season. Not sure Chelsea would seriously want him.

Interesting. Kepa getting the blame for goals last night in some quarters.
Re: Pope's form, i think he may have been found out a bit regarding shots near his feet, something I hope they are working on in training...in fact I'm sure they will be.

[Quickenthetempo]

Interesting. Kepa getting the blame for goals last night in some quarters.
Re: Pope's form, i think he may have been found out a bit regarding shots near his feet, something I hope they are working on in training...in fact I'm sure they will be.

Since the Crystal Palace game Pope has worked on saving with his feet and saved over 10 shots with his feet since.

[Vegas Claret]

They were magnificent. And as well as being able to pass, they read the game so well that they knew where to be 3-4 passes ahead of the opposition, so were often free to receive the ball in space.

football is a really easy game if you have people who pass the ball accurately especially at speed - it's a game of who is best at making triangles - it's just crap players that make it look difficult (for the record, I was bang average!! )

[Vegas Claret]

One potential for the summer thread...

https://www.givemesport.com/1540314-che ... utoplay=on

That's why we brought in the young lad from Leeds - Buy Pope for 1.5 million and sell him for 40, it's what we have to do as a club tbh

[ClaretAL]

More Borough Gibson stuff...

https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/ ... ed-1372531

[KRBFC]

If he comes he won't be on a massive wage and will have a relegation clause. Deal would be fone on contract length.

£65,000 a week at Stoke, why would he take a pay cut?

[KRBFC]

29 isn't old and he would be better than any of our current midfielders. He fits our mould perfectly due to his work rate, commitment and leadership on the pitch and is far better than he gets credit for with the ball at his feet. I don't think (given his age and contract situation....and the fact Stoke want him off the wage bill) that it would be a particularly big transfer fee either.

No reason why we couldn't get Allen and try to sign a couple of younger players to play next to him moving forwards.....

Allen would help us right now and would immediately fit into the ethos of this team/manager, in my opinion.

I assume he’s not gonna take a pay-cut to join us so his wage would be anything over £65k a week, Stoke want to keep hold of him so a fee expected to be £10m-15m. An eye watering amount of money for an average old Championship player with zero resale value who’s no better than what we have.

[boatshed bill]

Since the Crystal Palace game Pope has worked on saving with his feet and saved over 10 shots with his feet since.

I think the way keepers set themselves these days encourages shots that the forward hopes will go "through" them.

[Grumps]

I assume he’s not gonna take a pay-cut to join us so his wage would be anything over £65k a week, Stoke want to keep hold of him so a fee expected to be £10m-15m. An eye watering amount of money for an average old Championship player with zero resale value who’s no better than what we have.

I agree with most of what you say, apart from the bit where you say he's no better than what we've got

[Vegas Claret]

Ha ha a comparison for 2 of the best midfielders ever in a brilliant team - yeah its barcelona not burnley - they never had to win the ball back

So Xavi and Iniesta never had to win the ball back ? Seriously, it's time for you to go and watch a different sport because you have no grasp of football

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I assume he’s not gonna take a pay-cut to join us so his wage would be anything over £65k a week, Stoke want to keep hold of him so a fee expected to be £10m-15m. An eye watering amount of money for an average old Championship player with zero resale value who’s no better than what we have.

What evidence are you making these assumptions on?

[beddie]

It's not the way forward though is it if we signed Allen. We desperately need an injection of pace and athleticism in the middle. I don't dispute Allen is a good distributor of the ball but two seasons ahead is he still gong to be at the level required. If Rigg and Dyche can't come up with what we've been crying out for sometime, especially by bringing the age of the group down then we'll continue to struggle.

[boatshed bill]

What evidence are you making these assumptions on?

Evidence is not required for an assumption, that would be more like an assertion.

[Stayingup]

Chelsea can just f#ck off

For £50 million? Not sure

[Vegas Claret]

It's not the way forward though is it if we signed Allen. We desperately need an injection of pace and athleticism in the middle. I don't dispute Allen is a good distributor of the ball but two seasons ahead is he still gong to be at the level required. If Rigg and Dyche can't come up with what we've been crying out for sometime, especially by bringing the age of the group down then we'll continue to struggle.

They are going for Brownhill who is 25 isn't he ? Maybe this Allen link has been put out there to make Bristol make a decision

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Evidence is not required for an assumption, that would be more like an assertion.

My point still stands.

[boatshed bill]

My point still stands.

No it doesn't. He can assume anything he chooses. He doesn't need evidence to back up an assumption. The presentation of hard evidence would mean that it wasn't an assumption at all, it would be fact.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

No it doesn't. He can assume anything he chooses. He doesn't need evidence to back up an assumption. The presentation of hard evidence would mean that it wasn't an assumption at all, it would be fact.

He can assume what he likes such as he’s on 65k a week, won’t take a wage cut and Stoke want 10/15 million at least and that it would be a ‘disastrous’ signing for us. All sounds a bit melodramatic I hope that is the correct term!?

[boatshed bill]

He can assume what he likes such as he’s on 65k a week, won’t take a wage cut and Stoke want 10/15 million at least and that it would be a ‘disastrous’ signing for us. All sounds a bit melodramatic I hope that is the correct term!?

Yes that's fine

I'm sure you know that assumptions are just that...no foundation to it.

[Vegas Claret]

sounds like the impeachment trial !

[Rileybobs]

He didnt out run him he got left by him

Outran. Both players set off running. The 22 year old player stopped running and the 29 year old carried on running.

[TVC15]

Yes that's fine

I'm sure you know that assumptions are just that...no foundation to it.

I think we should buy him as I assume he is on 4 shilling a week and Stoke will be happy to give him away for nothing to us.

See its a bit daft to "assume" stuff to support a view based on whether you like a player or not....these things are better left to factual evidence to support your view or if you don't know the facts just say that you don't or do rate the player.

[boatshed bill]

I think we should buy him as I assume he is on 4 shilling a week and Stoke will be happy to give him away for nothing to us.

See its a bit daft to "assume" stuff to support a view based on whether you like a player or not....these things are better left to factual evidence to support your view or if you don't know the facts just say that you don't or do rate the player.

Spot On.

[KRBFC]

He can assume what he likes such as he’s on 65k a week, won’t take a wage cut and Stoke want 10/15 million at least and that it would be a ‘disastrous’ signing for us. All sounds a bit melodramatic I hope that is the correct term!?

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/

https://www.capology.com/club/stoke-city/salaries/


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[NL Claret]

I think we should buy him as I assume he is on 4 shilling a week and Stoke will be happy to give him away for nothing to us.

See its a bit daft to "assume" stuff to support a view based on whether you like a player or not....these things are better left to factual evidence to support your view or if you don't know the facts just say that you don't or do rate the player.

The same can be applied to undisclosed transfer fees. If you are anti-Dyche and like Vydra, his transfer fee rises every transfer window to highlight much money Dyche has wasted due to his stubbornness. I reckon it's gone up approx £4m over time.

[boatshed bill]

Look at the money Stoke are spunking on some pretty average players!
And poor old Sam vokes is on nothing at all

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/

https://www.capology.com/club/stoke-city/salaries/


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.stok ... 750391.amp

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.hamm ... t-15m/amp/


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talkspor ... nship/amp/

Sorry you are right we’ll pay Stoke 15 million at least and definitely pay him 65k a week. Have you forwarded these to the club yet? If not don’t delay to avoid disaster.

[Darnhill Claret]

I’m a fan of Joe Allen, but I was a little disappointed with his overall performance against West Brom. He’s definitely lost a yard of pace despite a strong run of 30 yards towards the end of the game. Maybe the WBA defender wasn’t very quick. I’d have to look again, I think his legs may have gone, but that last run means I would prefer another viewing. On his playing history I wouldn’t hesitate.

[Darnhill Claret]

I’m a fan of Joe Allen, but I was a little disappointed with his overall performance against West Brom. He’s definitely lost a yard of pace despite a strong run of 30 yards towards the end of the game. Maybe the WBA defender wasn’t very quick. I’d have to look again, I think his legs may have gone, but that last run means I would prefer another viewing. On his playing history I wouldn’t hesitate.

[FactualFrank]

What we could do with is a few fans of Joe Allen to give their thoughts.

[ksrclaret]

I've got a mate who is a big Stoke fan.

[Bigvince]

Hw big?

[ksrclaret]

Around 17 stone I think

[FactualFrank]

Around 17 stone I think

Fat or just stokey built?

[Tricky Trevor]

The only problem with Allen is size. We don’t beat the big 6 because they out muscle us in midfield. Cork/Westwood are more than adequate against the rest. He is still a fine footballer and a better passer than we possess. If we were to go 3 in the middle of midfield he would be ideal.

[Tricky Trevor]

Chelsea could sell Kepa and go for Nick Pope in the Summer(90mins), via bbc gossip.

[rob63]

I'm not trying to be funny here, but I dont think we can get any improvement that many fans want - to do that we really would need to reach the realms of unrealistic transfer fees and wages and mortgage the future of the club on success that is not guaranteed. To improve on where we are currently is to effectively try and break into the top 6-10 of the Premier League and do that regularly. Many teams have tried and failed, and I think our pragmatic approach is the right approach.

I think our transfer policy recently has been adequate, with the view to reinforce what we have and hope to bring in youngsters who may challenge after development.

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Adequate? So you'd be happy if your other half called your performance in bed- adequate?

[Vegas Claret]

I hope Brownhill watched us tonight

[KRBFC]

Sorry you are right we’ll pay Stoke 15 million at least and definitely pay him 65k a week. Have you forwarded these to the club yet? If not don’t delay to avoid disaster.

I didn’t say we’d pay at least £15m though, did I?
If you’re gonna nit pick my every post at least learn to read or did you not have your glasses on?

[LawsCanalJump]

Hopefully last nights historic victory may help us out in the transfer market!

[Grumps]

Hopefully last nights historic victory may help us out in the transfer market!

Or.... The board think we will be Ok now this season so no need to spend?