BFC TRANSFER NEWS Jan 2020(MUST CONTAIN LINK)

cockneyclaret · Post by **cockneyclaret** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:33 pm

Ild be more concerned losing mercer, what ever he does certainly works

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:45 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:53 pm
I know they are potentially very good players, but replacing £150m with BPF, Koiki and the like will not help. With all that money coming in, we’d have to go out and sign real quality which will grow into the next mcniel, such as jarod Bowen, who would cost over £20m, but has a great chance of being worth double that within the next few years. Also, I doubt BPF is first team ready at his age just yet, but Pope did it so you never know.

BPF is an international keeper (OK NI, but still).
Koiki - Could be anything as I haven't seen him play, but he has been in the squad is still very young and has had some very good reviews so who knows

I agree though if we bring in large sums for those 3 (assuming they leave) then some would have to be (and I'm sure it would be) spent on immediate replacements such a Bowen, Eze, Cantwell, Phillips (If Leeds successfully bottle it again) or players of that type that could slot straight in and also potentially be worth double in a few years.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:48 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:55 pm
Sadly, I think we will have to wait 6 years, with the inflation that will bring to achieve sums like that. Not saying they aren’t worth it, but for some reason (maybe the same reason that sees us value players at considerably less value than everyone else) we don’t seem to be able to command the sort of figures that other teams get for their players. I’d be surprised if them three went in the next 6 months for 2/3 of your suggestion. We would see the numbers written down and **** ourselves. I’m ok with it btw.... it helps us to survive. Let’s not forget, the vast majority of the TV money goes in wages and bonuses, leaving not an awful lot for buying in quality.

£150m was probably on the top side and I'm not saying we will lose all 3 but that it is a possibility if the right bids come in, especially if we think we have the right replacements or can easily get them.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:31 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:11 am
You have gone from 25m to 40m in 90 minutes so who knows

He's English, I would suggest given the length of his contract and how much money Chelsea have that 40 is the absolute minimum we would ask

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:31 pm

Goobs wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:48 pm
£150m was probably on the top side and I'm not saying we will lose all 3 but that it is a possibility if the right bids come in, especially if we think we have the right replacements or can easily get them.

There was a thread on here a few weeks ago re: how do we move forward? It was a good question. I’d love the club to be a bit more open on their strategy for becoming an established PL club.

A lot of the talk focussed around player recruitment. Fair enough, as we were on a bit of a bad run in terms of results, but in actual fact this point is right - it’s actually as much about player sales. If Liverpool will pay £75m to Southampton for VVD and £67m for Alisson, Man U will pay £80m to Leicester for Maguire (who’s v average) and Chelsea will pay £72m for Kepa, we should be charging upwards of £60m for Pope and Tarks. No less.

I wouldn’t want us to become a club that blocks players progression, but we should be getting top dollar, then reinvesting wisely.

I’m not so sure McNeil will be moving soon. He’s a great player, our most technically gifted, but he’s hardly ripping it up scoring every week. I think he’ll need to have a fine end to the season to be picked off in the summer.

Overall, I’m hoping we get one more year with this group together, hopefully with an addition this window and one or two more in the summer.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:59 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:31 pm
There was a thread on here a few weeks ago re: how do we move forward? It was a good question. I’d love the club to be a bit more open on their strategy for becoming an established PL club.

A lot of the talk focussed around player recruitment.

Was there really a discussion about player recruitment...must have passed me by

There again I only log in about five times a day

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:34 pm

Goobs wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:04 am
So Chelsea paid £72m for Kepa and they want Pope to replace , which must mean they think Pope is better than Kepa right? £80m and he's theirs then

That makes perfect sense it's so simple and if they don't want to pay then they don't get him, Leicester know how to get the best deal, Tarks or Ben make Maguire overpriced.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Wells is on subs bench tonight at QPR. Let's see if he comes on; if he does then we cannot be that sure he is leaving unless QPR have agreed a fee already. Bit daft to risk him if another club or clubs are interested

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:26 pm

mdd2 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:08 pm
Wells is on subs bench tonight at QPR. Let's see if he comes on; if he does then we cannot be that sure he is leaving unless QPR have agreed a fee already. Bit daft to risk him if another club or clubs are interested

him being cup tied would be irrelevant to anyone who is going to sign him imho - let's hope he doesn't get splinters from being on the bench though

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:32 pm

It is getting injured that I am concerned about not being cup tied. Being cup tied is irrelevant as I think he was in the squad for the third round

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:36 pm

Wells is on now.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:40 pm

Wells now on
Sorry Dermot didn't see that post

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:45 pm

If we are recalling him with a view to selling him he surely shouldnt he playing tonight

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:52 pm

He may well be being recalled, but not to sell...

I try not to get too excited these days about our potential incomings, but I have to admit I WAS hoping there was something in the lads from Bristol City. With Wells playing tonite, seems like him being makeweight isn't part of any deal, if indeed there IS a deal.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:53 pm

Just scored..

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:55 pm

I am pretty certain no club would lend BFC a striker for two seasons that was capable of scoring 13 goals in just over half a season

We are not flushed with cash-do we need to be this charitable ??

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:56 pm

If he stays free of injury his value just gone up £100k

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:00 pm

See he has just scored again

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:22 pm

mdd2 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:56 pm
If he stays free of injury his value just gone up £100k

Unfortunately that will only pay for about 12 hours of player wages. Shows how far we’ve come that anything less than £5 million is peanuts really.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:28 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:55 pm
I am pretty certain no club would lend BFC a striker for two seasons that was capable of scoring 13 goals in just over half a season

We are not flushed with cash-do we need to be this charitable ??

And if Wells was capable of doing that in the Premier League then we wouldn’t have loaned him out.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:48 pm

Think you missed my point-I was not implying Wells would get in our team or squad right now. But the fact he has scored 13 goals so far this season has put a value on his head. We are struggling to buy people yet we have someone here we could turn to cash. He is 5th highest scorer in his Divison-just 3 behind Bowen and 5 behind Watkins and we know what sort of prices are being banded around for these two. As I said before we appear to being charitable to QPR

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:58 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:48 pm
Think you missed my point-I was not implying Wells would get in our team or squad right now. But the fact he has scored 13 goals so far this season has put a value on his head. We are struggling to buy people yet we have someone here we could turn to cash. He is 5th highest scorer in his Divison-just 3 behind Bowen and 5 behind Watkins and we know what sort of prices are being banded around for these two. As I said before we appear to being charitable to QPR

SD is doing his mate a favour, and could be said the same the other way, we were hardly swamped with offers for Wells after the whole summer window mess.
Beggars vant be chooses, it was a case of get him somewhere for something than have 2 unhappy strikers not playing and costing wages.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:08 pm

Yes I fully get that.

I can remember Chris Wood not even getting on the bench at Leicester. Leeds took as punt on him, he started regularly, scored lots of goals and suddenly his fee went up to circa £15m, when we stepped him. Now appears a good time to take advantage with Forest, Bristol City, Wigan supposedly intereste in him-maybe QPR too

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:14 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:48 pm
Think you missed my point-I was not implying Wells would get in our team or squad right now. But the fact he has scored 13 goals so far this season has put a value on his head. We are struggling to buy people yet we have someone here we could turn to cash. He is 5th highest scorer in his Divison-just 3 behind Bowen and 5 behind Watkins and we know what sort of prices are being banded around for these two. As I said before we appear to being charitable to QPR

Aren't both Bowen and Watkins a lot younger than Wells?

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:33 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:26 pm
him being cup tied would be irrelevant to anyone who is going to sign him imho - let's hope he doesn't get splinters from being on the bench though

Both Clubs purported to be interested in Nakhi Wells, Bristol City and Nottingham Forest, went out of the FA Cup at the 3rd Round stage ....

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:01 am

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:33 pm
Both Clubs purported to be interested in Nakhi Wells, Bristol City and Nottingham Forest, went out of the FA Cup at the 3rd Round stage ....

There's a lot more than those two after him

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:02 am

mdd2 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:32 pm
It is getting injured that I am concerned about not being cup tied. Being cup tied is irrelevant as I think he was in the squad for the third round

I know, hence my splinters comment

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:21 am

3 behind Bowen in less game time, but we are not contemplating trying him in the premiere league? He may be the signing we would look at, and it's right under our noses. And Dyche may already be thinking the same.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:49 pm

Bristol City are in talks with Burnley over the permanent signing of striker Nahki Wells.

The 29-year-old is currently on loan at Queens Park Rangers, but his spell in London will be cut short to talk to Bristol City should a deal be agreed.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:57 am

We were linked with Henri Ogunby (Man City) yesterday.

Not sure if it’s for U23 squad, because he’s only 18 and looks a long way from first team football.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:18 am

Looking at Bright Osayi Samuel according to Nixon. Never heard of him.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:19 am

Now that is a player that will get people if there seats.

Absolutely rapid right winger. He tore Leeds to shreds a the other week.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:23 am

Good young player but do we not need a centre midfielder to start with?

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:29 am

I think a young pacy winger would be a good buy. McNeil will leave at some point.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:33 am

A quick midfielder any where will do plus a ball winning MF of the Marney type and that would include Allen from Stoke.
If we are interested in this guy, as long as we ensure he is not a Mark2 version of Dane Richards, then I assume Wells would be part of the deal as he is already with QPR. Been with them since 2017 so may be OOC this summer too.
If he is that good I suppose one should be questioning our scouting given he moved to QPR from Blackpool.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:33 am

With 5 days left we need to be further down the line than ‘looking at’.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:37 am

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:18 am
Looking at Bright Osayi Samuel according to Nixon. Never heard of him.

Is this the lad that came through the youth set up at Blackpool? Seem to remember their fans racing about a kid with a similar name a few seasons back?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:40 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:19 am
Now that is a player that will get people if there seats.

Absolutely rapid right winger. He tore Leeds to shreds a the other week.

Maybe one for a year a 2's time, which is good that we are looking for the future, but not sure how good he is or whether he is premier league ready.

Cant see him being the only arrival as it's clear the first 11 needs addressing in the next 6 months, theres going to be some overhaul.

Rumpelstiltskin · Post by **Rumpelstiltskin** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:43 am

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:49 pm
Bristol City are in talks with Burnley over the permanent signing of striker Nahki Wells.

The 29-year-old is currently on loan at Queens Park Rangers, but his spell in London will be cut short to talk to Bristol City should a deal be agreed.

Was hoping this would be a swap/exchange deal with Brownhill coming our way to boost our midfield...But gone very very quiet !

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:43 am

Blackrod wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:33 am
With 5 days left we need to be further down the line than ‘looking at’.

We will be, our transfer window is always only a few days at the end.
It's the way our club operates, we cant just throw money at it in the first week, we try to get the best, and most value deal possible.

It's why we often get gazumped, miss out, have to get option D, but aldo why we end up with some real bargains like Tarky, Pope, JBG etc

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:16 pm

Don’t have a link but have heard from a mate Vydra is going to Bristol in a deal with Brownhill.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:25 pm

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:18 am
Looking at Bright Osayi Samuel according to Nixon. Never heard of him.

LOL I misread that. I thought there's not a chance of Brighton selling us one of their players and then I read further down and realised he's at QPR. I doubt we'll get him as well as Brownhill as we only have one Wells to sweeten a deal

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:26 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:16 pm
Don’t have a link but have heard from a mate Vydra is going to Bristol in a deal with Brownhill.

That really is wishful thinking

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:26 pm

mdd2 wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:33 am
A quick midfielder any where will do plus a ball winning MF of the Marney type and that would include Allen from Stoke.
If we are interested in this guy, as long as we ensure he is not a Mark2 version of Dane Richards, then I assume Wells would be part of the deal as he is already with QPR. Been with them since 2017 so may be OOC this summer too.
If he is that good I suppose one should be questioning our scouting given he moved to QPR from Blackpool.

Wells for Bright Osayi Samuel would be a very poor deal. If we do want him he will be leaving on a free in the Summer.

I saw quite bit of him last season and he was sort of okay, nothing more. He is definitely not the standard we should be looking to add to the squad. Nor does he have the defensive qualities of a complete modern day winger. He seems to be playing a bit better this season, but he isn't lighting up stadiums across the country. Having Wells in their squad, with all his off the ball play, has also helped him out.

From the perspective of QPR it would be a really good deal. Permanently sign a player who is really making a difference for them and ship out a player who is out of contract in the Summer and probably won't extend. They have also brought in Jack Clarke on loan so losing BOS will make no difference to them. It would be the equivalent of getting something for nothing.

Given how Wells is playing he is a very hot property at the moment. Wells for Brownhill would be a good trade, even if we have to chip in a couple of million. Selling Wells for 5 - 6m would be the next best option.

Swapping Wells for BOS would count as another charitable gesture towards QPR, on top of the two year and partial wage loan we have already given them. Even with a bit of cash on top it would represent a meagre return in relation to what we should be looking to get for Wells in this window.

If QPR want to swap a player then the only one worth having is Eze. They have quite a few players available to cover the middle of the park, lets see them be charitable for a change. Wells for Eze and a couple of million.

IWOODLOVETT · Post by **IWOODLOVETT** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:29 pm

Firthy wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:25 pm
LOL I misread that. I thought there's not a chance of Brighton selling us one of their players and then I read further down and realised he's at QPR. I doubt we'll get him as well as Brownhill as we only have one Wells to sweeten a deal

If Newcastleclaret is right we could swap Vydra for Brownhill and Wells for Samuel. Now that would be good business.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:07 pm

Decent prospect is Samuel. No complaints really - just think Eze should be the priority.

Not that both would hurt

Flying Without Ings · Post by **Flying Without Ings** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:08 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:29 pm
If Newcastleclaret is right we could swap Vydra for Brownhill and Wells for Samuel. Now that would be good business.

That would leave us with 2 fit strikers, meaning we would have to go buy/loan another. Would be amazed if Burnley pulled off 3 signings at this stage.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:13 pm

Flying Without Ings wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:08 pm
That would leave us with 2 fit strikers, meaning we would have to go buy/loan another. Would be amazed if Burnley pulled off 3 signings at this stage.

Kevin Long????? He proved yesterday he's definitely not a defender so could be the new Peter Crouch

IWOODLOVETT · Post by **IWOODLOVETT** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:17 pm

Bring back Vokes on loan until the end of the season. He’s not being used by Stoke and they will probably still owe us some of his transfer fee.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:27 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:29 pm
If Newcastleclaret is right we could swap Vydra for Brownhill and Wells for Samuel. Now that would be good business.

That would leave us with two strikers until the return of Barnes and four right wingers with JBG due back soon. In terms of strikers I think it could a case of one out in this window and one out in the next.

If QPR don't have an extension for BOS then he will be leaving them for free in the Summer. The same thing would be true for Wells if we didn't have the extension that we are reputed to have. Free in six months reduces Samuels value significantly.

This season he has contributed 4 goals and 5 assists in 20 matches, which is impressive. Last season his total output was 2 goals in 27 matches with no assists, which is far less impressive. The season before that he managed to produce a paltry 1 goal and 1 assist in 18 matches. Going by goals and assists, which definitely aren't everything, this season is arguably the only decent season he has had ( although he is young ).

From the bits and bobs I've seen of him ( which I have to say was more last season than this ) I don't think he is anything special, but he probably does have some potential and he appears to have demonstrated signs of improvement.

Would he link up better with Barnes and Wood, in comparison to a player like Nahki who gets about more, I doubt it.

Is his performance this season entirely down to him or does it have more to do with the influence of other players in the QPR squad ?

Rightly or wrongly, strikers command a price premium In this window. Wells performed well for QPR last season and he has stepped it up another notch this season. With very few options available, Wells is the striker on every Championship clubs lips at the moment. That makes Nahki a lot more valuable than BOS.

Well is also a consistent performer with a very enviable scoring reputation at Championship level over multiple seasons.

The deciding factor in terms of any potential trade for Wells is that our most pressing need is for a central midfielder, not a right winger. Warburton seems like a decent bloke, but if our current requirements mean that we have to drop him in the **** so be it. It isn't a nice thing to do, because QPR have kept up their end of the loan bargain. However, our poor performance in the Summer transfer window has put us in a delicate position that precludes charitable considerations.