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Post by rob63 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:14 am

Grimsdale wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:03 am
As soon as you meet the release clause it's then down to how attractive the deal is to the player. No point us offering 10 million and a 30K PW salary when someone else can offer 7 million and 60K PW, the player will choose the second option every time. The selling club cannot force the player to go to the club who offers the highest transfer fee.
I know that, but Devils Advocate said there was no point offering more than £7m.

A selling club can always offer a 'loyalty bonus' to the player out of the higher transfer fee if the wage offerings are similar to entice the player to go to the club offering the highest transfer fee

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Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:22 am

Looks unlikely we'll be getting anyone in of real relevance at this stage.

Expect one of Vydra and Wells to go and maybe Gibson.

We may get cover for Gibson in on loan.

Ah well.

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Post by Blackburn_Claret » Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:35 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:22 am
Looks unlikely we'll be getting anyone in of real relevance at this stage.

Expect one of Vydra and Wells to go and maybe Gibson.

We may get cover for Gibson in on loan.

Ah well.

Sell vydra keep match fit and confident wells

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Post by Taffy on the wing » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:01 am

Steddyman wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:10 pm
Looks a powerful player, but he missed a lot more than he scores based on that video.
Donkey!.......next.

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Post by mill hill claret » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:00 am

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:01 am
Donkey!.......next.
There is no next !!

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Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:34 am

Blackburnclaret wrote:
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There is no next !!
http://stores.next.co.uk/stores/single/394
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Post by ClaretMov » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:56 am

I just feel all the deals will be done today or Thursday 2 or 3 players in or out, if not then I can't see anything being done on friday.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:57 am

Poor lurker really isn't going to get over Rigg getting his job is he.

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Post by Grumps » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:30 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:56 am
I just feel all the deals will be done today or Thursday 2 or 3 players in or out, if not then I can't see anything being done on friday.
Certainly any big deals would be a long way down the road by friday

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Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:37 am

cblantfanclub wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:56 pm
Just getting the facts sorted Boysie

"At the time, the Warrington-born centre midfielder was playing his football at Preston North End, however, he failed to break into the first team at Preston when they reached the Championship and subsequently went on loan to Barnsley in League One in the final year of his contract at the club.

It was then when Lee Johnson and Bristol City began sniffing around. Then just 20, he snubbed a move to Preston and decided to join City as a free agent, although some compensation was owed (BBC).

Even before Brownhill had moved, it seems Johnson knew he had a potential leader on his hands, as his words suggests when the pre-contract deal was arranged.

The Bristol City manager said (BBC): “As well as being a good footballer he’s also a fantastic character.”

“He is a young, hungry, sought-after player who is experienced beyond his years in modern-day football, and we’ve beaten off competition from other clubs to get him.”

It didn’t take long for City’s new midfielder to start pushing for the first team. In his first season (16/17), he started 19 games for the Robins in the Championship and came on in eight.

Since then, he has been a dead cert starter for the club. In both the 17/18 and 18/19 season, he played 45 league games in both campaigns and has become the club captain this season. Furthermore, Brownhill has won back-to-back Young Player of the Year awards at the club, so perhaps it shouldn’t have come as a huge surprise when bigger clubs started to show interest this year."

Transfer Tavern

It was Johnson who took him to Barnsley as he was the manager there at the time.

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Post by willsclarets » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:52 am

I think the best we can hope for is Hart off the wage bill and a decent fee for Wells. Or a part exchange for Brownhill. I'd be happy with that for a January window. There might be a surprise loan deal in the offing too who knows, much can happen on the last day.

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:56 am

rob63 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:14 am
I know that, but Devils Advocate said there was no point offering more than £7m.

A selling club can always offer a 'loyalty bonus' to the player out of the higher transfer fee if the wage offerings are similar to entice the player to go to the club offering the highest transfer fee
Youre still not getting it. If Burnley offer £10m and Bristol City offer the player £1m to persuade him to go to us, then the other club could just offer £7m and offer the player a £2m signing on fee.

The point is once you have offered Bristol City the £7m every other penny you spend on the total deal should be offered to the player as they will ultimately decide and will be looking for the best financial package they can get out of the deal.

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Post by IanMcL » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:09 am

I wonder how non football folk get jobs recruiting footballers.
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Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:25 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:56 am
Youre still not getting it. If Burnley offer £10m and Bristol City offer the player £1m to persuade him to go to us, then the other club could just offer £7m and offer the player a £2m signing on fee.

The point is once you have offered Bristol City the £7m every other penny you spend on the total deal should be offered to the player as they will ultimately decide and will be looking for the best financial package they can get out of the deal.
It wouldn't really work that way, a likelier way of completion would be to just accept the lower bid without factoring in any sort of sweetener persuader, if the savings accrued from the lower buying club subjected to agreement would then be more likely used as a lure to obtaining agreement from the player in the way of the terms offered, point being it smacks of desperation paying a player to leave when you can just simply accept less money without the hassle of player departure negotiations.

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Post by FactualFrank » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:49 am

Watford confident of getting Gibson loan deal done.
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive ... -deal-done

The only benefit I see is the savings in wage. As discussed, we won't have the quality to come in and replace Tarks/Mee if either had an injury. And with it appears we can't ask for Gibson back, if that were the case, it does seem risky unless we're bringing someone in.

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Post by Firthy » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:52 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:49 am
Watford confident of getting Gibson loan deal done.
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive ... -deal-done

The only benefit I see is the savings in wage. As discussed, we won't have the quality to come in and replace Tarks/Mee if either had an injury. And with it appears we can't ask for Gibson back, if that were the case, it does seem risky unless we're bringing someone in.
Not a chance this will happen. It would be sheer madness. There is no good reason for it and surely we aren't that desperate financially to save paying his wages.

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Post by FactualFrank » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:52 am

No surprises that Leeds are now back in for Vydra.
https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/t ... s-17649243

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Post by Selby Claret » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:55 am

I can see Gibson happening - we've got Pieters, Long (and Dunne) as back up - he's played six times for us in 18 months - January is a seller's market and any deal done with a desperate Watford now would likely far outstrip any bids in the summer

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:55 am

No loans of a player that cost £11m
They can pay all upfront so we can finally get Brownhill signed up

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Post by NewClaret » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:56 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:52 am
No surprises that Leeds are now back in for Vydra.
https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/t ... s-17649243
They refused our Phillips offer. No way we should help them get promoted (unless it’s tied to a deal that allows us to sign Phillips if they don’t).

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Post by NewClaret » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:58 am

Firthy wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:52 am
Not a chance this will happen. It would be sheer madness. There is no good reason for it and surely we aren't that desperate financially to save paying his wages.
Would only do it if it’s an obligation to buy. Even then, it’s risky. Imagine a double injury to Mee & Tarks!!

Will be bricking it for the rest of the season if we do that.

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Post by FactualFrank » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:00 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:56 am
(unless it’s tied to a deal that allows us to sign Phillips if they don’t).
I can't imagine that being a game changer in a deal, as it's proving harder for them to get out of the top 2, even when they lose 3 games on the bounce.

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Post by jrgbfc » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:03 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:56 am
They refused our Phillips offer. No way we should help them get promoted (unless it’s tied to a deal that allows us to sign Phillips if they don’t).
Not a chance of Calvin-Phillips coming here. Some of the big boys will be looking at him now.

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Post by Selby Claret » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:06 am

Just as a side note re: Gibson

6 appearances - which equates to £2.5 million per game (or £4500 per minute assuming he played 90 in every game - which he didn't as he was sent off in Greece!)
Assuming (conservatively) £30000 a week wage that's another £2.3M spent on his wages
2 wins (Istanbul and Barnsley)
4 defeats (Everton, Sunderland, M City, Olympiakos)
3 bookings
1 red card
1 goal
2 clean sheets
16 goals conceded - yes that's 16

Not sure why anyone is that desperate to keep him ;)

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Post by Mala591 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:14 am

Our 'back-up' team - imo of course

Hart
Lowton Long Gibson Pieters
Hendrick ???? ???? Brady
Rodriguez Wells

Rodriguez pushing Barnes closely and Hendrick is a reasonable short-term replacement for JBG but the other back-up players are not really pressuring our regular starters.

Personally I would keep Wells and let Vydra go.

Lack of central midfield cover is a rather frightening situation to be in.

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Post by mdd2 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:14 am

Think we should ship out Wells Vydra and Gibson the latter as a straight loan swop for Andre Gray with each club still paying wages.
I think Andre would do well for us despite all the cement he cannot trap.
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Post by Hopey1786 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:16 am

Selby Claret wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:06 am
Just as a side note re: Gibson

6 appearances - which equates to £2.5 million per game (or £4500 per minute assuming he played 90 in every game - which he didn't as he was sent off in Greece!)
Assuming (conservatively) £30000 a week wage that's another £2.3M spent on his wages
2 wins (Istanbul and Barnsley)
4 defeats (Everton, Sunderland, M City, Olympiakos)
3 bookings
1 red card
1 goal
2 clean sheets
16 goals conceded - yes that's 16

Not sure why anyone is that desperate to keep him ;)
Same as vydra. Hes not had a chance

At that price he must be better than long as backup

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Post by FactualFrank » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:23 am

The twisted thing with Gibson is that he'll leave and then we lose Tarks or Mee to a lengthy injury. Then those same people who said that Gibson was a waste of a transfer will say we should have kept him, to cover the injury. Yet if neither gets injured, those same posters will continue to say he was a waste of money. It's rather strange.

He should only leave, if we have someone coming in, because Long has had some decent games for us, but overall, you can tell he's not up to starting in the Premier League. The same with Dunne.

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Post by SGr » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:24 am

2 days to go and the focus appears solely on one or two of Vydra, Gibson and Wells leaving club.

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Post by ClaretAndJew » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:29 am

Dyche doesn't play Vydra he won't play Wells either. It'll just be the same old. Let them both go. Stick Long up front for cover or change to 4-5-1

I estimate 2 outgoings and a 6 month loan incoming to cover Drinkwater leaving.

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Post by Andreshotboots » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:31 am

Loaning Gibson to Watford, helping a relegation rival out in any way would be pure madness. We seem to be acting like we think we have achieved safety already. We could be 4 points off the drop zone before we kick off on Sunday with currently 2 forwards ( who are fit or will get games) one back up centre half if Gibson goes and a midfielder down with Drinkwater going to Villa.
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Post by MACCA » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:36 am

Andreshotboots wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:31 am
Loaning Gibson to Watford, helping a relegation rival out in any way would be pure madness. We seem to be acting like we think we have achieved safety already. We could be 4 points off the drop zone before we kick off on Sunday with currently 2 forwards ( who are fit or will get games) one back up centre half if Gibson goes and a midfielder down with Drinkwater going to Villa.
All will be fine, weve not survived 5 years on the spin by chance.

Do you not trust Mike & Mike or something?

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:41 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:25 am
It wouldn't really work that way, a likelier way of completion would be to just accept the lower bid without factoring in any sort of sweetener persuader, if the savings accrued from the lower buying club subjected to agreement would then be more likely used as a lure to obtaining agreement from the player in the way of the terms offered, point being it smacks of desperation paying a player to leave when you can just simply accept less money without the hassle of player departure negotiations.
I know, you need to explain this to Rob. I was just showing how his example doesn't work and that there really is no benefit or advantage to a team offering a penny more than the £7m release clause fee to Bristol City

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Post by summitclaret » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:42 am

MACCA wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:36 am
All will be fine, weve not survived 5 years on the spin by chance.

Do you not trust Mike & Mike or something?
Talk about tempting fate. That would be like Marneygate, but with triple risk, I.e. inadequate cover for cm, CB and striker. If we do that for the money we deserve it if we can't put a strong enough team out. Don't forget that Westwood is not far off a 2 game ban.

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Post by Firthy » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:45 am

SGr wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:24 am
2 days to go and the focus appears solely on one or two of Vydra, Gibson and Wells leaving club.
Because they're the only rumours around at present. I still think we'll keep Wells and there will be no movement either way.

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Post by Rumpelstiltskin » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:45 am

Maybe this year,Maybe next year we’ll find out that you can’t stay in the Premier League on the cheap...I haven’t seen enough of Brownhill to make a judgment on him but Dyche obviously rates him because he’s been linked with him for several windows...If we’re not prepared to stump up £10 million for him or considerably less plus Wells in an exchange we’re never going to do a deal...FFS

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Post by Firthy » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:55 am

Rumpelstiltskin wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:45 am
Maybe this year,Maybe next year we’ll find out that you can’t stay in the Premier League on the cheap...I haven’t seen enough of Brownhill to make a judgment on him but Dyche obviously rates him because he’s been linked with him for several windows...If we’re not prepared to stump up £10 million for him or considerably less plus Wells in an exchange we’re never going to do a deal...FFS
From the moment SD said that signings were unlikely, I haven't expected anything so I can't be disappointed. And when Garlick said we'll finish the window stronger, he obviously meant we'd have Wells back.

I wish I was as confident as Macca that there'll be some movement but I'm not too hopeful. We're still not safe as the clubs behind us are strating to pick up points and if we get any serious injuries to our main players, especially in midfield then it could come back to bite us in the bum if we don't at least replace Drinkwater.

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Post by winsomeyen » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:02 pm

Firthy wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:55 am
From the moment SD said that signings were unlikely, I haven't expected anything so I can't be disappointed. And when Garlick said we'll finish the window stronger, he obviously meant we'd have Wells back.

I wish I was as confident as Macca that there'll be some movement but I'm not too hopeful. We're still not safe as the clubs behind us are strating to pick up points and if we get any serious injuries to our main players, especially in midfield then it could come back to bite us in the bum if we don't at least replace Drinkwater.
When Garlick said "well finish the window stronger" he was refering to the bank balance.

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Post by ClaretMov » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:04 pm

I would do a deal for this lad all day, cash and Wells https://youtu.be/6VidDkdb_q8
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Post by MACCA » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:12 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:42 am
Talk about tempting fate. That would be like Marneygate, but with triple risk, I.e. inadequate cover for cm, CB and striker. If we do that for the money we deserve it if we can't put a strong enough team out. Don't forget that Westwood is not far off a 2 game ban.
It's done before, it was successful before, weve made record profits before, and still kept season tickets frozen.

What more do people want.
Mike's doing a fine job

Just to add I think we will being at least 2 in and 2 or 3 will go out

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Post by FCBurnley » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:14 pm

Is anybody else as fed up as me with our non transfer windows ?

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Post by Long Time Lurker » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:16 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
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Poor lurker really isn't going to get over Rigg getting his job is he.
Nope, not until he puts in a performance worthy of his job title and salary.

After his departure from Fulham, and prior to joining us, he spent two years loitering on the periphery of football at the SRi. We plucked him from impending football obscurity. In a sense he is the Danny Drinkwater of football recruitment. To be fair to Drinkwater though, at least he has a good season or two on his record. Given his career performance to date, I genuinely can't understand why we hired Rigg to fill such an important and influential position.

First Window - do nothing / react to an unexpected offer to buy Vokes / sign Crouch

Second Window - Sell Heaton / buy Jay ( previous target ) / buy Pieters / buy BPF / loan Drinkwater

Third Window - do nothing / react to expected offers to buy Wells

Has he impressed you so far ?

Please forgive me for wanting what is best for our club and being wary of a bloke who has wasted mega millions on poor transfers over the course of his career. If it wasn't for their rich owners QPR and Fulham would have gone to the wall in response to his transfer strategies, even Man City couldn't countenance his poor results to expenditure ratio.

The supporters of QPR and Fulham didn't put his contribution under the microscope and expose it to a critical evaluation until it was far to late. We don't have the luxury of a rich owner ( not that having one seems to make much difference to Rigg other than the level of spending he advocates ) so getting a positive productive performance from our recruitment team is hugely important. Irrespective of their individual qualities, they can't hope to do that with poor leadership and calamitous strategic decision making to the fore.

Looking at the last three windows ( although this one isn't over yet ) we were doing better before Rigg arrived. Which is a poor state of affairs, because we were simply doing okay at that point in time.

When Rigg steps up to the plate and starts performing I will happily step off my soap box and stop questioning why we are trusting him with our scouting / recruitment and paying him what is undoubtedly a big wage.

Personally, I think after a full year of working beside him ( and learning what he does and how he goes about things ) the people around him could probably get along perfectly well without him. At least until we can hire a proven performer to head up our recruitment.

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:34 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:14 pm
Is anybody else as fed up as me with our non transfer windows ?
Yes me. But if I say anything I clearly want the club to spend ridiculous amounts of money and risk going to the wall. Remember the Orient game? :roll:

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Post by Long Time Lurker » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:36 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:09 am
I wonder how non football folk get jobs recruiting footballers.
A firm friendship with Mark Hughes and a dash of cronyism seems to help in some cases. The friendship of Mark Hughes is optional, because Karen Brady has done very well for herself at Birmingham and West Ham without it. Alternatively, an extensive vocabulary of managerial buzz words or a working knowledge of statistical software packages.

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Post by mdd2 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:36 pm

I remember the Villa game and a few others which is why we need to add some strength to the squad before weakening it further by selling the likes of Gibson and Wells IMO

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Post by MACCA » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:37 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:14 pm
Is anybody else as fed up as me with our non transfer windows ?
Think everyone is used to how we do things now.

Not one fan wants us to be the next Bolton, look what spending money did for them!

And remember Wigan?
Won the FA cup and got relegated, dont want to be them either.

Both clubs an example of what could happen if we did either.

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Post by mdd2 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:41 pm

"And remember Wigan?
Won the FA cup and got relegated, dont want to be them either".

Well that can't happen to us this season, well the first bit at least
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Post by TsarBomba » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:44 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:16 pm
Nope, not until he puts in a performance worthy of his job title and salary.

After his departure from Fulham, and prior to joining us, he spent two years loitering on the periphery of football at the SRi. We plucked him from impending football obscurity. In a sense he is the Danny Drinkwater of football recruitment. To be fair to Drinkwater though, at least he has a good season or two on his record. Given his career performance to date, I genuinely can't understand why we hired Rigg to fill such an important and influential position.

First Window - do nothing / react to an unexpected offer to buy Vokes / sign Crouch

Second Window - Sell Heaton / buy Jay ( previous target ) / buy Pieters / buy BPF / loan Drinkwater

Third Window - do nothing / react to expected offers to buy Wells

Has he impressed you so far ?

Please forgive me for wanting what is best for our club and being wary of a bloke who has wasted mega millions on poor transfers over the course of his career. If it wasn't for their rich owners QPR and Fulham would have gone to the wall in response to his transfer strategies, even Man City couldn't countenance his poor results to expenditure ratio.

The supporters of QPR and Fulham didn't put his contribution under the microscope and expose it to a critical evaluation until it was far to late. We don't have the luxury of a rich owner ( not that having one seems to make much difference to Rigg other than the level of spending he advocates ) so getting a positive productive performance from our recruitment team is hugely important. Irrespective of their individual qualities, they can't hope to do that with poor leadership and calamitous strategic decision making to the fore.

Looking at the last three windows ( although this one isn't over yet ) we were doing better before Rigg arrived. Which is a poor state of affairs, because we were simply doing okay at that point in time.

When Rigg steps up to the plate and starts performing I will happily step off my soap box and stop questioning why we are trusting him with our scouting / recruitment and paying him what is undoubtedly a big wage.

Personally, I think after a full year of working beside him ( and learning what he does and how he goes about things ) the people around him could probably get along perfectly well without him. At least until we can hire a proven performer to head up our recruitment.
You’ve clearly made your mind up that Rigg isn’t performing? On that basis of what?

You’re evidencing our struggles over last 2 and a bit windows, and attributing that solely to Rigg. We all know it’s been an issue for a lot longer.

We have a Chairman who is cautious, and a manager that identifies and wants a very specific player, placing a huge emphasis on their attitude, morals and background at other clubs.

You could argue Rigg is trying to do his job with one hand tied behind his back. It’s far too simplistic to lay blame at his door, and solely his. How do you know he is not identifying players?

It’s very much a mixture of all the variables of Rigg/Dyche/Garlick needing to align for us to sign a player. And that’s without having to deal with agents, the club you are buying/selling from.

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Post by Long Time Lurker » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:47 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:35 am
Sell vydra keep match fit and confident wells
I would rather sell Wells in this window and keep Vydra. Match fit and confident aren't must have qualities for bench sitting.

The lack of game time and visibility could hurt the price we could expect to get for Vydra if we sold him now.

Wells is currently a hot property, which gives him a price premium. If we wait until Summer to sell him, possibly after he has sat on our bench for six months, his value will drop. The Summer will also see his value, and the active interest in him by other clubs, diminish because more players will be available and open to moving.

Vydra has a contract until 2021, with the option of another year. That gives us a lot more time to work out what to do with him to get the best possible return, even if it means loaning him out to increase his visibility.
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Post by ClaretMov » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:47 pm

MACCA wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:37 pm
Think everyone is used to how we do things now.

Not one fan wants us to be the next Bolton, look what spending money did for them!

And remember Wigan?
Won the FA cup and got relegated, dont want to be them either.

Both clubs an example of what could happen if we did either.


We aren't asking the club to spend 40 million on a player or to pay someone 120k a week, but what most of us want for the club to do is to bring in players that are first team player's and not bench warmers, something we haven't done for three years, even when we qualified for Europe we didn't improve the starting xl, this team has picked itself since the summer of 2017.

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