45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

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45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by FCBurnley » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:49 pm

I have been know to be critical of our signings (or lack of them) in the past. BUT when i see the likes of Haller and Fornals masquerading as multi million pound footballers (no doubt on multi million salaries) then I thank my lucky stars that the only similarity between Burnley and West Ham are our club colours. Some agent somewhere must be bathing in Champagne. Up the ( northern) Clarets
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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by jdrobbo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:54 pm

£45,000,000 Haller = 3 x Chris Wood or approximately SIXTY Ashley Barnes ;) :) :) :)
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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:55 pm

Quickest that Fornals moved was when his number came up to be substituted.
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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:04 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Quickest that Fornals moved was when his number came up to be substituted.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:04 pm

Tbf Haller has looked a decent player at times. He was so isolated on Saturday it was unbelievable.
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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:09 pm

Wasnt Barnes £450k ? In that case he cost just 1% of the hapless Haller !

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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by MACCA » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:11 pm

But then you could also show Mahrez and Kante for the polar opposite.

Swings and roundabouts, but I prefer our way of no/low risks.
It's just the age and style of player that I'd like to improve on when recruiting.

I am aware the style and age though may not go with the framework and subsequently may not achieve the results that the current style of play and player do.

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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by Leisure » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:09 pm

In Dyche we trust.

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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by CombatClaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:29 pm

Also look at the players we've actually been linked with who many on hear bemoaned the club for not splashing out on.

Adams and Andone spring to mind.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:33 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Wasnt Barnes £450k ? In that case he cost just 1% of the hapless Haller !

450 + add on's for promotion, Dyche said last week it was about 750 in total - can't be many better value for money players in the history of the PL
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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:02 pm

Haller IS a good player. What would Wood cost today after 70 goals in the top flight at 25 year old?

(wood has 24 top flight goals at 28 years old).

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Post by FCBurnley » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:22 pm

Goals scored don’t always tell the full story. For example scoring for Burnley in the Premier League is much tougher than scoring for Barca etc. Not claiming Wood is a superstar but I don’t believe Haller is worth what West Ham paid

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Post by TVC15 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:24 pm

For every Kante & Mahrez bargain there are ten times (at least) as many flops.
Leicester have had plenty themselves with the money they spent from the Kante & Mahrez profits - Slimani, Silva and plenty of others. If you look at their team now it’s noticeable that they have a good core of players from the lower leagues and young English talent (Barnes, Chilwell etc)

West Ham are one of the worst culprits for wasting money on over valued players not proven in this league.

There may well be bargains out there in Europe and further afield but anyone looking through the squads and transfers in the premier league in the last few years can see how hard it is.

Somebody mentioned Wolves success in the bringing in overseas profits players in last couple of years - have a look at their squad and transfers in the last 2 or 3 years. They have wasted a hell of a lot of money on loan fees on players that got nowhere near the team.

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Post by claretblue » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:26 pm

CombatClaret wrote:Also look at the players we've actually been linked with who many on hear bemoaned the club for not splashing out on.

Adams and Andone spring to mind.
Florin out on loan...and now injured!

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:26 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Goals scored don’t always tell the full story. For example scoring for Burnley in the Premier League is much tougher than scoring for Barca etc.
Oh absolutely. That's why Suarez and Messi would get nowhere near our side.
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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:57 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Haller IS a good player. What would Wood cost today after 70 goals in the top flight at 25 year old?

(wood has 24 top flight goals at 28 years old).
He has 26 at 27 years old to be accurate

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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:He has 26 at 27 years old to be accurate
Cricketfield does tend to struggle with numbers.

It's also a bit of a stretch to compare the Eredivisie to the Premier League.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:07 pm

ClaretTony wrote:He has 26 at 27 years old to be accurate
So he has - wiki hadn't updated Saturdays goal and I hadn't realised he had scored 1 other premier league goal before he came here.. 28 next month.

I am a big Wood fan. So wasn't a criticism of him. More recognition that Haller is a very good player and in this bonkers market £40m is good value given he is younger than Wood with a much better record.
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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:11 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Cricketfield does tend to struggle with numbers.

It's also a bit of a stretch to compare the Eredivisie to the Premier League.
Even if you discount his record in Holland, which is good he has scored as many goals in The Bundesliga for Frankfurt in far less games than Wood has for us at this level at a much younger age.

Didn't struggle with those numbers. 8-)

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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:30 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Cricketfield does tend to struggle with numbers.

It's also a bit of a stretch to compare the Eredivisie to the Premier League.
Jozy Altidore is good example of that. 39 goals in 69 games for AZ Alkmaar - 2 goals in 70 games for Hull & Sunderland
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:41 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Jozy Altidore is good example of that. 39 goals in 69 games for AZ Alkmaar - 2 goals in 70 games for Hull & Sunderland
And for every Altidore there are plenty of Van Nistelrooy, Kluivert, Bergkamp, Romario, Ronaldo, Van Persie, Kuyt, Huntelaar, Luis Suarez, Arveladze, Mols, Makaay, Nillis, De Jong, Henrik Larrsson, Tomasson etc etc

Reminds me of your post about players not doing much after arsenal...

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Post by TVC15 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:16 pm

Don’t forget Van Der Schatt

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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by Hibsclaret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:40 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Even if you discount his record in Holland, which is good he has scored as many goals in The Bundesliga for Frankfurt in far less games than Wood has for us at this level at a much younger age.

Didn't struggle with those numbers. 8-)
Rouwen Hennings is scoring for fun in the Bundesliga....tbh from what I have seen of the Bundesliga the quality is generally not of the level of the premier league beyond 4 or so teams.

I think Wood’s record stands up to Haller’s now and this season will be a good gauge on who’s the better player but I know who I prefer irrespective of his offsideitis that many believe he has

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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by FCBurnley » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:55 pm

Goal scoring comparisons have 3 sections. 1/ The ability of the player 2/ The ability of his team mates 3/ The standard of the opposition.
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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:14 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Wasnt Barnes £450k ? In that case he cost just 1% of the hapless Haller !
Hi random, maybe someone else has already posted. Latest comment from Sean Dyche - last week - on Ashley Barnes transfer fee was £450k plus some add-ons (I think connected to our first SD promotion) - total fee £750k.

That's a big percentage of add-on, 67% of the original fee. I don't know what our transfer negotiators were thinking of. ;)

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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:23 pm

Many players, especially foreign ones, take a season to get used to the Premier league, given Haller has only got 13 games under his belt, there isnt anything to compare.
Besides do you think Chris Wood would have had a sniff if he were playing up front for West Ham on Saturday, instead of us. I doubt it.

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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by Bullabill » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:19 am

Florin out on loan...and now injured! ............


Not worth two bob!!!

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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:21 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Rouwen Hennings is scoring for fun in the Bundesliga....tbh from what I have seen of the Bundesliga the quality is generally not of the level of the premier league beyond 4 or so teams.

I think Wood’s record stands up to Haller’s now and this season will be a good gauge on who’s the better player but I know who I prefer irrespective of his offsideitis that many believe he has
Saw a Dortmund game last year (lovely ground, great beer!) and the space the players have is astonishing.

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Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Post by Shore claret » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:32 pm

Don't know anything about Haller, the only thing I can say is after Saturdays showing he does not look like a 45 million pound player.

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