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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by aggi » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:49 am

dsr wrote:They could at least start with speed cameras. They pay for themselves.
Not for the police though, the money just goes back into the general government pot.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:24 am

Why are the police resources so limited ? How did that happen ? Oh, I remember....

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:36 am

tim_noone wrote:I'd say unwise if that's the case..and unfortunate in the circumstances to Lose his Life at such a young age.
Unwise but pretty common/normal for young lads in the Burnley area.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:38 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:Why are the police resources so limited ? How did that happen ? Oh, I remember....
High speed accidents have been happening for a long time though around there, so even when police resources weren't cut/stretched they haven't done much to deal with the issue of young drivers hammering their cars down Colne road...

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:43 am

They are planning to bring in average speed cameras for the A683.

Not sure if that would help on Colne Road?

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Post by AndyClaret » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:58 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:They are planning to bring in average speed cameras for the A683.

Not sure if that would help on Colne Road?
not really, there are 2 sets of traffic lights, average speed cameras work well on open stretchses of road.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:59 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:Why are the police resources so limited ? How did that happen ? Oh, I remember....


:D :D Vote labour and end reckless driving.

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Post by Siddo » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:29 am

karatekid wrote:Average speed cameras along the length of Colne Road is what is needed. ANPR to catch the uninsured etc and CCTV to provide evidence of poor driving. Expensive but what price another life?
Good point. Average speed cameras have been installed from Barrowford all the way to Gisburn, interestingly through Higherford and Blacko. Two very well off areas.
Why not install them on Colne road?
It has eliminated the speeding problem on that road.

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Post by AndyClaret » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:33 am

Siddo wrote:Good point. Average speed cameras have been installed from Barrowford all the way to Gisburn, interestingly through Higherford and Blacko. Two very well off areas.
Why not install them on Colne road?
It has eliminated the speeding problem on that road.
Like i have said above, you need an open stretch of road for average speed cameras to work, if the lights change to red then you would never get caught.

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Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:01 am

AndyClaret wrote:Like i have said above, you need an open stretch of road for average speed cameras to work, if the lights change to red then you would never get caught.

I know what you are saying but if they located the cameras at the lights and one in between the they would still clock the times it takes to get between them.

You are also assuming they are going to stop at the lights which isn’t always the case

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by dsr » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:08 am

Jakubclaret wrote:Do the cameras capture at night though when all this tends to happen, I’m a sensible driver myself or I like to think so, I’ve always been under the impression the cameras don’t detect in the dark, I could be wrong it wouldn’t be the first time on this thread, maybe another poster might know.
I know someone who got done in the early hours on Burnley Road, Colne. So yes, they work at night.

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Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:30 am

AndyClaret wrote:not really, there are 2 sets of traffic lights, average speed cameras work well on open stretchses of road.
But not relevant, since the point is that these drivers ignore the red lights.
However, since it's such a short stretch of road, (less than half a mile), 2 normal speed cameras on each side of the road would easily catch those driving at ridiculous speeds. There's no way that you could slow down and speed up to 70 again in between them.
Also, as I mentioned earlier: why no traffic signal cameras at the Casterton / Windermere Ave junction?
Edit: Just noted that Wilks has already pretty much explained this above and given a slightly alternative solution.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:32 am

Daft question as I don't really know the road, but is there any scope for more traffic lights, mini roundabouts, speed chicane things to slow down the traffic?

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Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:36 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Daft question as I don't really know the road, but is there any scope for more traffic lights, mini roundabouts, speed chicane things to slow down the traffic?
God no!
Putting a chicane in would be the ultimate challenge. We'd have fatalities every weekend as they attempted to set new records.
Seriously though: mini-roundabouts, no.
No obvious junctions for additional lights.
Putting a controlled pedestrian crossing in would most likely endanger their lives.
The traffic signal cameras, and speed camera solution is the one advocated by residents.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:09 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote::D :D Vote labour and end reckless driving.
Drive through that particular area and you'll see hundreds of "vote labour" signs, that's for sure.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Top Claret » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:18 am

All this talk about average speed cameras and all that ********, don't you think we have enough of the things in Lancashire.

I live on the border with GM and it is far more pleasant and relaxing driving there with not having to have one eye on the road and the other on some van, with a camera stuck up its arse

You can do what you want, but you will never stop young lads from driving like idiots when they get behind the wheel of a high performance car. I like to know where these kids get the money from to afford cars like this, the insurance must run into thousands

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Funkydrummer » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:21 am

It's a shame there isn't such a thing as automatic stingers that shoot out a few yards on if
you pass at a certain speed. Not dangerous and bloody expensive for them to replace the
shredded tyres.

That would stop the bast@rds.
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Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:22 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Drive through that particular area and you'll see hundreds of "vote labour" signs, that's for sure.
I'll check when I go out.
I think there are 2, but I'll look more carefully, (whilst keeping an eye on my speed and the road of course).
Edit: Currently there's just one. I''ll update you as and when any others appear. (There's usually a garden full of Blue ones just next to The Oaks.)

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by karatekid » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:18 pm

Cameras on the traffic lights and average speed cameras in between. The average speed cameras should run from Brierfield lights to Casterton Ave. lights. The red light cameras at Reedley Magistrates would catch a few. Further down Duke bar is well covered by Gatsos.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by basil6345789 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:30 pm

karatekid wrote:Cameras on the traffic lights and average speed cameras in between. The average speed cameras should run from Brierfield lights to Casterton Ave. lights. The red light cameras at Reedley Magistrates would catch a few. Further down Duke bar is well covered by Gatsos.
Why should we have to go to such expense?

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by taio » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:37 pm

basil6345789 wrote:Why should we have to go to such expense?
To maxime the chances of catching the offenders and minimise the risk of people losing their lives obviously.
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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by thomaspaine » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:19 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote::D :D Vote labour and end reckless driving.
Vote Tory and end most things.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by MACCA » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:27 pm

The lad was laid to rest today, it appears we have a couple of mutual friends.

17, no age at all.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by bfccrazy » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:06 pm

Road closed off right now with rumours of another kid hit by a car near Lidl/Home bargains

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by MACCA » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:15 pm

Road closed, a 4x4 on its side.

Not sure on the details

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Local cricketer » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:35 pm

Outside kfc

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Claretforever » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:10 pm

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Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:38 pm

For anyone not familiar with the area, this evening's incident isn't on the wider, "faster" stretch that we have been discussing, but further down towards Burnley where there are in fact multiple speed cameras, traffic lights, and many parked cars, not to mention a lot of shops and pedestrians.
Not an area where you would expect people to be exceeding the limit by very much.
We'll have to wait before jumping to more conclusions about this one

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by dsr » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:19 am

nil_desperandum wrote:For anyone not familiar with the area, this evening's incident isn't on the wider, "faster" stretch that we have been discussing, but further down towards Burnley where there are in fact multiple speed cameras, traffic lights, and many parked cars, not to mention a lot of shops and pedestrians.
Not an area where you would expect people to be exceeding the limit by very much.
We'll have to wait before jumping to more conclusions about this one
Can we jump to the conclusion that both cars weren't doing 30 or less on the correct side of the road? It takes quite a lot to roll a 4x4, doesn't it?

I suppose one of them might have been dodging a rogue pedestrian.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Goobs » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:51 am

Not saying it is true but heard it was a police chase. Either way that's only about 12-13 on colne Road or barden lane in the last 4-5 years. No need for panic :(

And that is more than likely an underestimate.

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:30 am

From those photo’s it looks as though one car has pulled out in front of the other from one of the side roads.

Don’t necessarily need to be going that quick to roll a vehicle.

I may be wrong but this looks more of your standard RTA than anything to do with excessive speed etc.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by morpheus2 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:45 am

Eyres_11 wrote:I cant understand how a 20 year old can get insured on this car? I'm 35 and I pay £1,000 a year for a reasonable size car in bb9.

Audi A3 for a 20 year old must be looking in excess of £3-4k just for insurance.

Really wouldn't surprise me if an 'elder' had hired the car with his/her details and then sub let the car out to the 20 year old.
Exactly this /\

My friend was bumped from behind by a guy in a high powered Merc the other day - very very young lad driving a carful back from Friday prayers - it happens a lot.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Barry_Chuckle » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:15 am

Young individuals drive these high powered vehicles on what's known as a Fleet policy. Makes it very cost effective for young drivers.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Bosscat » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:21 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Daft question as I don't really know the road, but is there any scope for more traffic lights, mini roundabouts, speed chicane things to slow down the traffic?
The way some of the maniacs drive LC down there it wouldn't make any difference .... just give them chances to emulate Vin Deisel, Dwayne Johnson and their other heroes in "Fast and Furious eleventeen"

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Bosscat » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:22 am

morpheus2 wrote:Exactly this /\

My friend was bumped from behind by a guy in a high powered Merc the other day - very very young lad driving a carful back from Friday prayers - it happens a lot.
Whiplash claims abound then ..... for the Merc Drivers passengers...

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Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:27 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:From those photo’s it looks as though one car has pulled out in front of the other from one of the side roads.

Don’t necessarily need to be going that quick to roll a vehicle.

I may be wrong but this looks more of your standard RTA than anything to do with excessive speed etc.
As I posted a few up the page: I don't like speculation, but I was hinting at this sort of scenario.
I base this on the fact that I was a passenger involved in a low speed accident at virtually this spot about 3 years ago, when someone, (claiming to be unsighted by all the parked cars, street furniture etc) pulled out in front of us. There was actually little damage and no injuries, but I can easily imagine that with a bit more speed it could have toppled us over. (Incidentally, the drivers of both cars were both elderly and "white")
But, I'm not speculating on what actually happened here.

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Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:37 am

dsr wrote:Can we jump to the conclusion that both cars weren't doing 30 or less on the correct side of the road? It takes quite a lot to roll a 4x4, doesn't it?

I suppose one of them might have been dodging a rogue pedestrian.
Extremely unlikely that one of them was on the wrong side of the dual carriageway. (It's quite a high kerb)
And no, we can't assume that both cars weren't doing less than 30. In fact quite likely that at least one wasn't.
I've no idea about the stability of a high sided 4 x 4 if hit side on, but I'm sure you'll be an authority on it and will let us know.

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Post by basil6345789 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:52 am

A good start would be to make them pass a driving test, having first done a thorough ID check to make it certain who's sitting the test.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by FulledgeClaret » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:54 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:From those photo’s it looks as though one car has pulled out in front of the other from one of the side roads.

Don’t necessarily need to be going that quick to roll a vehicle.

I may be wrong but this looks more of your standard RTA than anything to do with excessive speed etc.
isnt that junction traffic light controlled which would mean somebody ran a red or was doing a illegal u turn for cars to collide from the side street. the placing of the 4x4 is very strange it hasnt flattened the bollard or the traffic light almost as though it was either going between or was shunted between them, but then the distance between the cars would indicate the accident happened at speeds above the limit to cause the separation.

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Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:56 am

basil6345789 wrote:A good start would be to make them pass a driving test, having first done a thorough ID check to make it certain who's sitting the test.
Exactly how does that prevent anyone from getting behind a wheel?. An illegal driver is an illegal driver.
(There are a lot of spot checks by the way on this stretch of the road, but, of course, only during the day).

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Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:58 am

FulledgeClaret wrote:isnt that junction traffic light controlled which would mean somebody ran a red or was doing a illegal u turn for cars to collide from the side street. the placing of the 4x4 is very strange it hasnt flattened the bollard or the traffic light almost as though it was either going between or was shunted between them, but then the distance between the cars would indicate the accident happened at speeds above the limit to cause the separation.
No it isn't, (Sherlock). The lights are at Lidl a lidl further down the road. It's a pelican crossing on the picture, if you're looking for evidence.

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Post by FulledgeClaret » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:21 am

nil_desperandum wrote:No it isn't, (Sherlock). The lights are at Lidl a lidl further down the road. It's a pelican crossing on the picture, if you're looking for evidence.
The names not Sherlock and I'm not looking for evidence.
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Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:26 am

FulledgeClaret wrote:The names not Sherlock and I'm not looking for evidence.
Well don't make stuff up / speculate then.
For all we know an innocent person could have been seriously injured here.
And yes, clearly not Sherlock as he would have spotted on the pics that the lights are not for the junction but for pedestrians.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Blackrod » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:03 pm

Might be a good idea to stop allowing ‘named’ drivers below a certain age on parents’ cars. There is a reason insurance is expensive for the younger drivers. Would like to see any Corsa with any kind of kind of modification for under 25s to be uninsurable. ‘Mum can I put blacked out windows and big exhaust on your car man innit?’ The next thing it’s doing 110 down the M65 or wheel spinning around Brierfield full of young lads.
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Post by tim_noone » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:19 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Extremely unlikely that one of them was on the wrong side of the dual carriageway. (It's quite a high kerb)
And no, we can't assume that both cars weren't doing less than 30. In fact quite likely that at least one wasn't.
I've no idea about the stability of a high sided 4 x 4 if hit side on, but I'm sure you'll be an authority on it and will let us know.
What a pompous post.. Along with the rude one to fulledge claret. :roll:

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:51 pm

tim_noone wrote:What a pompous post.. Along with the rude one to fulledge claret. :roll:
Sincere apologies for any offence. It doesn't read as pompous to me, but why do people keep speculating about something that they have no idea about, especially when in some cases there are both fatalities and potential serious injuries involved?
Several posters have pointed out that last night's accident might well be very easily explained and neither speed nor particularly bad driving might be involved. Is it rude to call someone out for jumping to conclusions based on an inaccurate assessment of the road layout and circumstances, when they clearly haven't checked on google earth or whatever?
I've no idea what happened, but Fulledge claret was clearly wrong in suggesting that someone jumped the lights, as the lights are further down. I live fairly near and drive along that stretch very frequently, and you get quite a lot of near misses / incidents because there are a lot of minor junctions, street furniture, obstructions etc.
As mentioned, approx 3 years ago I was in a vehicle at that junction that was hit by someone pulling out. It can be very difficult to see oncoming traffic because of all the parked cars, the bus stop etc.
I just don't get what motivates people to speculate about incidents such as this. Even if someone is to blame, let's leave it to the police to determine.
(Incidentally, there's a bit of an irony in describing me as pompous when I was responding "tongue in cheek" to dsr, who claims to be the authority on just about every topic he posts on, and is frequently called out for it, but I assume enjoys the banter.)
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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by wilks_bfc » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:25 pm

Playing devils advocate, Local Cricketer said in post 26 that it was outside KFC.

Both junctions have “lights” at them so easy to see where confusion may have risen

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:04 pm

Blackrod wrote:Might be a good idea to stop allowing ‘named’ drivers below a certain age on parents’ cars. There is a reason insurance is expensive for the younger drivers. Would like to see any Corsa with any kind of kind of modification for under 25s to be uninsurable. ‘Mum can I put blacked out windows and big exhaust on your car man innit?’ The next thing it’s doing 110 down the M65 or wheel spinning around Brierfield full of young lads.
Commie Marxist alert - Govt control of the insurance companies and dont the market decide how they should be able to charge for insurance

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Post by Blackrod » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:18 pm

I’m much further to the right than that ;)

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Post by ClaretFelix » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:57 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Sincere apologies for any offence. It doesn't read as pompous to me, but why do people keep speculating about something that they have no idea about, especially when in some cases there are both fatalities and potential serious injuries involved?
Several posters have pointed out that last night's accident might well be very easily explained and neither speed nor particularly bad driving might be involved. Is it rude to call someone out for jumping to conclusions based on an inaccurate assessment of the road layout and circumstances, when they clearly haven't checked on google earth or whatever?
I've no idea what happened, but Fulledge claret was clearly wrong in suggesting that someone jumped the lights, as the lights are further down. I live fairly near and drive along that stretch very frequently, and you get quite a lot of near misses / incidents because there are a lot of minor junctions, street furniture, obstructions etc.
As mentioned, approx 3 years ago I was in a vehicle at that junction that was hit by someone pulling out. It can be very difficult to see oncoming traffic because of all the parked cars, the bus stop etc.
I just don't get what motivates people to speculate about incidents such as this. Even if someone is to blame, let's leave it to the police to determine.
(Incidentally, there's a bit of an irony in describing me as pompous when I was responding "tongue in cheek" to dsr, who claims to be the authority on just about every topic he posts on, and is frequently called out for it, but I assume enjoys the banter.)
Ive seen the CCTV footage, vehicle pulls out of Ivy Street and hit the Range Rover as it passed causing it to roll over and hit the lights. The driver ran off

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