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Colne Road again.

Post by Funkydrummer » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:41 pm

Yet another fatal accident on this road at silly o'clock.

RIP poor lad.

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:59 pm

Noticed it was a 17 year lad in a Audi A3 powerful motor for a new inexperienced driver, shame really at 17 life in front of you.

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Post by yorkyclaret » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:06 am

Jakubclaret wrote:Noticed it was a 17 year lad in a Audi A3 powerful motor for a new inexperienced driver, shame really at 17 life in front of you.
Driver in his 20s, 17 year old was a passenger.
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Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:07 am

yorkyclaret wrote:Driver in his 20s, 17 year old was a passenger.
Thanks, I stand corrected, it's been a long day.
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Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:11 am

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Post by MACCA » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:19 am

I wouldn't believe everything you read in the paper, that's a 30mph road, I very much doubt you can do so much damage to other vehicles and kill a passenger going at that speed.

I don't think we are getting the whole truth here, from the paper or the police statement.
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Post by AndyClaret » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:48 am

MACCA wrote:I wouldn't believe everything you read in the paper, that's a 30mph road, I very much doubt you can do so much damage to other vehicles and kill a passenger going at that speed.

I don't think we are getting the whole truth here, from the paper or the police statement.
In a powerful Audi you could easily get above 70mph, passenger may not have been wearing a belt.

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Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:53 am

It is sad as a mother and father have been left without a son and they've done nothing wrong but they suffer the most, the amount of times you read about it happening to young kids on that road is really worrying.

I thought I read a few years ago that they were thinking of banning young drivers on the road after a certain time of day? Unless you are working or on your way to the airport why would anybody need to be on the road at that time of day.

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Post by ClaretMov » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:56 am

Not an expert by a long way but with the driver getting away with minor injuries and the 17 year old passenger having died from multiple injuries I'd put money on him not wearing a seatbelt and the car was travelling at speed along the Colne rd race track.

Such a waste at 17 years old just glad it was 2:40am and not 2:40pm or there could of been a lot more people involved.

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Post by ClaretMov » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:00 am

Burnley1989 wrote:
I thought I read a few years ago that they were thinking of banning young drivers on the road after a certain time of day? Unless you are working or on your way to the airport why would anybody need to be on the road at that time of day.

Never mind just young driver's, all new drivers should be limited to cars with an engine size of 1 litre or under for the first 12 months until they learn how to control a machine.
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Post by Local cricketer » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:11 am

Lawless society is that part of town

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Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:15 am

ClaretMov wrote:Never mind just young driver's, all new drivers should be limited to cars with an engine size of 1 litre or under for the first 12 months until they learn how to control a machine.
I had a 1.6 for my first car and it was far too fast looking back

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Post by MACCA » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:47 am

AndyClaret wrote:In a powerful Audi you could easily get above 70mph, passenger may not have been wearing a belt.

Ahh I see.
So quite a few laws and standard practices broken then.

Suppose the driver might be up before the courts then, if what you're suggesting is correct

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Post by Clarets4me » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:51 am

On 23rd October, Burnley & Padiham police posted on their Facebook page with the heading " You said ... We did ", that they had spent time on Colne Road ( day-time ), stopping and " educating " drivers as to the dangers of exceeding the speed limit ...
There was over 100 replies, many along the lines of " Day time isn't the problem, it's late night early morning with young men in powerful cars " ...

I did think at the time that I wish I'd been stopped and " educated " when caught doing 36 on the dual carriageway section of Padiham Road,a few years back ....

Dreadful for the family, my thoughts are with them !

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Post by dushanbe » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:07 am

I'm regularly at the prarie 3G on a Thursday evening between 6-7. At first, you look up when you hear speeding cars, but after a few weeks its just normal to see cars speeding down the stretch to the lights at Windermere Ave and through on red.

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Post by Eyres_11 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:23 am

I cant understand how a 20 year old can get insured on this car? I'm 35 and I pay £1,000 a year for a reasonable size car in bb9.

Audi A3 for a 20 year old must be looking in excess of £3-4k just for insurance.

Really wouldn't surprise me if an 'elder' had hired the car with his/her details and then sub let the car out to the 20 year old.

Car rentals should be limited to 30 year old, no points on license and say a £2k deposit. Also make the person who rented the car liable for prosecution for letting someone else driving.
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Post by SalouClaret » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:26 am

Burnley1989 wrote:I had a 1.6 for my first car and it was far too fast looking back
The trick is, to look forwards.
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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by houseboy » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:27 am

Burnley1989 wrote:It is sad as a mother and father have been left without a son and they've done nothing wrong but they suffer the most, the amount of times you read about it happening to young kids on that road is really worrying.

I thought I read a few years ago that they were thinking of banning young drivers on the road after a certain time of day? Unless you are working or on your way to the airport why would anybody need to be on the road at that time of day.
Sneaking home after being at your girlfriends place maybe? Anyway there is no reason to ban people because of the time of day, however sad this may be.
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Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:30 am

MACCA wrote:I wouldn't believe everything you read in the paper, that's a 30mph road, I very much doubt you can do so much damage to other vehicles and kill a passenger going at that speed.

I don't think we are getting the whole truth here, from the paper or the police statement.
At a guess they are releasing the facts they know at this stage and are calling for witnesses, along with forensic investigation to establish more details.

They tend to leave the speculating to football message boards.
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Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:33 am

Local cricketer wrote:Lawless society is that part of town
As someone who lives in that area, let me assure everyone that it isn't. It's a really good area in which to live with high house prices, low levels of crime, and no anti-social behaviour.
We do however, have serious issues with what might be described as "boy racers" after dark, and particularly v late at night..
It's an area that - as residents - we have been campaigning about for years, but with little success. The only serious action being taken is the regular appearance of the ice cream van speed camera unit, but as I've pointed out at meetings and to the police, all this does is catch the relatively minor offenders who drive at 38 - DURING daylight hours. Just how to prevent it at 2.00 in the morning I'm not sure.

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Post by Claretmatt4 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:35 am

Eyres_11 wrote:Car rentals should be limited to 30 year old, no points on license and say a £2k deposit. Also make the person who rented the car liable for prosecution for letting someone else driving.
That's it! Punish everyone under 30 for a small minority!

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Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:35 am

Eyres_11 wrote:I cant understand how a 20 year old can get insured on this car? I'm 35 and I pay £1,000 a year for a reasonable size car in bb9.
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Why do you assume it was insured or more specifically he was insured to drive it?

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Post by claretfern » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:36 am

Clarets4me wrote:
I did think at the time that I wish I'd been stopped and "educated "
Exactly what I thought, after recently getting caught by the mobile van in Ramsbottom. I took my punishment via the awareness course.

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Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:36 am

Plenty of presumption on this thread some of which is drenched in racial overtones.

A human being aged 17 lost his life and it is tragic that so many want to judge and prejudge those involved.

RIP to the young man who died
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Post by Blackrod » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:41 am

We don’t know the full facts here and it’s very sad that someone had lost their life. However until people realise that putting your foot down in a built up area is not clever this will continue. I pulled up a group of Asian lads accelerating and reviving around a town centre in a car with blacked out windows when I was a pedestrian, probably at great risk to myself. Think they were more stunned I confronted them and told them I had been hit by a car before. Less than 2 weeks later a pedestrian was killed in the same area by a car of lads doing the same thing. I always wonder if it was the same people.

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Post by Bosscat » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:51 am

Rick ... we had the front end almost ripped off my car one evening at Casterton Ave lights when turning towards Brierfield.... We weren't even the front car in the queue turning right when a highpowered high end german saloon shot through the lights heading up Colne Rd from Burnley ..... As I stopped suddenly another one shot through (obviously racing or worse) on the wrong side of the Bollards almost ripping off the back end.
Even now I still triple check when going through these lights post match heading home.....

No Racial overtones at all ... and it is very tragic but..... these kids need educating properly about driving in built up areas....

I have ridden high powered bikes* and currently have a very high powered car...

*I used to go to Oulton Park, Croft Aerodrome, Mallory Park and do track days to get the speed bit out of my system when I was young and (slightly more) foolish.

Its not Racist to say a lot of these kids in high powered cars are of the Asian Persuasion because they are.....

Yes its tragic for the families and I do feel sorry for them and I hope the deceased rest in peace.
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Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:53 am

Claretmatt4 wrote:That's it! Punish everyone under 30 for a small minority!
Is this a Brexit thread now?
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Post by Bosscat » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:59 am

I am sure these youngsters are brought up on a diet of "Grand Theft Auto" etc ... where you don't die you just have "Game Over" on the screen "press start" to play again ... The sooner they realise playing these games with real cars is fatal you cannot press "play again" the better.
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Post by Eyres_11 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:00 am

Claretmatt4 wrote:That's it! Punish everyone under 30 for a small minority!
Unfortunately yes. Majority of these cases are under 30 in any case. Saves a few lives then why not.

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Post by Eyres_11 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:00 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Why do you assume it was insured or more specifically he was insured to drive it?
I'm not assuming that, just a hunch that it would be insured, at my guess not in his name.

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Post by Eyres_11 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:03 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Plenty of presumption on this thread some of which is drenched in racial overtones.

A human being aged 17 lost his life and it is tragic that so many want to judge and prejudge those involved.

RIP to the young man who died

I assume you don't live local? My guess is that the majority of these offenses are young Asian lads, thats not racist its just how it is. I drive a lot around here and it 100% isn't racist to say that the driving in that community is abysmal and that if you see a 'super care' overtaking at 60pmh on a 30 road it is more likely than not going to be the same 'kind' of person driving it.
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Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:15 am

Eyres_11 wrote:I assume you don't live local? My guess is that the majority of these offenses are young Asian lads, thats not racist its just how it is. I drive a lot around here and it 100% isn't racist to say that the driving in that community is abysmal and that if you see a 'super care' overtaking at 60pmh on a 30 road it is more likely than not going to be the same 'kind' of person driving it.
You can assume all you like, it’s only what others are doing on here anyway.

I lived “local” for 14 years and my kid’s still live in Burnley. I am a season ticket holder so I spend a lot of time in Burnley. I have also lived in plenty of other places in the UK (Birmingham; Bristol; Swindon; Bedford; and Milton Keynes) and the issue of young drivers is not limited to the Asian community it includes young people who think they’re indestructible. I would suggest you have a somewhat limited viewpoint because you only live “local”.

EVERY thread posted on here regarding young people and loss of life punches me hard in the guts because it could be my son or my daughter. I urge anyone posting info on stuff like this in the future consider that anyone who loses a life will have a family who may not be aware.

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:18 am

An Audi A3 into a single decker coach and a second vehicle, the driver is very lucky to have survived.

The mass disparity between the Audi and the coach means that there would have been very little "give" in the collision which must have been off set to the passenger side for the passenger to be the only one seriously (fatally) injured.

Very sad and there is a clear problem on that road regardless of who the drivers are.

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:23 am

Anyone who lives locally knows full well how bad it is in that area for atrocious driving.
I have been overtaken during daylight at what seems to have been way in excess of 50-60 mph.
That is plain wrong !
It is also common place to see vehicles ploughing straight through red lights, so potentially anybodys loved ones could be wiped out in an instance just by virtue of being in the wrong place, same applies to pedestrians of all ages. The mentality of driving in this manner is arrogant, selfish, and lethal in some cases.
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Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:23 am

To add to my post above. Reckless driving is not limited to the Asian community and I know this because my son is 19 and hangs around with regular run of the mill white kids in high powered hot hatch cars in Colne and Nelson. He will probably know the lad who has died, he is part of the reckless fraternity of young drivers in your “locality”. How ever much I try to educate him about the dangers he thinks he knows best and he believes he is invincible, probably like The driver of the car on Colne road.

All I ask is that people don’t dress up their racism in bullish!t whilst preaching on here. I can see right through it and I’ll call it out when I see it.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:29 am

MACCA wrote:I wouldn't believe everything you read in the paper, that's a 30mph road, I very much doubt you can do so much damage to other vehicles and kill a passenger going at that speed.

I don't think we are getting the whole truth here, from the paper or the police statement.
They don't wear seat belts, clip them in first and then sit down.
That road is fairly straight, it's easy to do double or even triple the speed limit there.

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Post by Pstotto » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:07 am

I hired a Transit van and it was first thing in the morning and i hadn't driven for a few years. I took the wing mirror off in the first few minutes of driving, as I misjudged the width.

If someone is fooling around in a car, messing with the stereo etc. and clips a coach through getting their judgement of placement wrong, it would take one side of the car off, like opening a tin can.

It could have been just six inches wrong and on that stretch at that time, expect 50-60 mph for a youth driving, so tragic result.

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Post by Eyres_11 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:28 am

Rick_Muller wrote:You can assume all you like, it’s only what others are doing on here anyway.

I lived “local” for 14 years and my kid’s still live in Burnley. I am a season ticket holder so I spend a lot of time in Burnley. I have also lived in plenty of other places in the UK (Birmingham; Bristol; Swindon; Bedford; and Milton Keynes) and the issue of young drivers is not limited to the Asian community it includes young people who think they’re indestructible. I would suggest you have a somewhat limited viewpoint because you only live “local”.

EVERY thread posted on here regarding young people and loss of life punches me hard in the guts because it could be my son or my daughter. I urge anyone posting info on stuff like this in the future consider that anyone who loses a life will have a family who may not be aware.
I agree that it isn't limited to that community, but I assure you, should you spend time driving around here would would change that opinion as 90% of the time it is the Asian community - that's not racist, it is what it is.

I do feel for the parents and the family, however I have no sympathy for the lad that has lost his life, he decided to speed down colne road in a car he clearly couldn't control. I am just glad he didn't take anyone but his moronic passenger with him.
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Post by Eyres_11 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:29 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:Anyone who lives locally knows full well how bad it is in that area for atrocious driving.
I have been overtaken during daylight at what seems to have been way in excess of 50-60 mph.
That is plain wrong !
It is also common place to see vehicles ploughing straight through red lights, so potentially anybodys loved ones could be wiped out in an instance just by virtue of being in the wrong place, same applies to pedestrians of all ages. The mentality of driving in this manner is arrogant, selfish, and lethal in some cases.
But don't you dare assume its Asians :roll:
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Post by Eyres_11 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:31 am

Rick_Muller wrote:To add to my post above. Reckless driving is not limited to the Asian community and I know this because my son is 19 and hangs around with regular run of the mill white kids in high powered hot hatch cars in Colne and Nelson. He will probably know the lad who has died, he is part of the reckless fraternity of young drivers in your “locality”. How ever much I try to educate him about the dangers he thinks he knows best and he believes he is invincible, probably like The driver of the car on Colne road.

All I ask is that people don’t dress up their racism in bullish!t whilst preaching on here. I can see right through it and I’ll call it out when I see it.
it's not racism, its the truth. Problem is, 'do gooders' like you who clearly don't live here anymore and don't see it day in day out try and justify it and anyone that says otherwise is Racist?
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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:34 am

Eyres_11 wrote:it's not racism, its the truth. Problem is, 'do gooders' like you who clearly don't live here anymore and don't see it day in day out try and justify it and anyone that says otherwise is Racist?
What’s it like being so blinkered?

I understand what you are saying, you clearly don’t understand what I am saying, let’s leave it there before the thread gets pulled

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Post by Damo » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:20 pm

Have the racist posts been deleted? Or is someone just looking to take offence where there is one again?
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Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:41 pm

Damo wrote:Have the racist posts been deleted? Or is someone just looking to take offence where there is one again?
Wild guess mate
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Post by MACCA » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:46 pm

Damo wrote:Have the racist posts been deleted? Or is someone just looking to take offence where there is one again?

I think so, but it's usually the ones that dont live around here, or even up that stretch, that are blind to the facts or start throwing wild claims of racism around.

I regularly travel from the other side of town to Burnley belvedere rugby club, at around 8, and leave a few hours later. It's more of a rarity these days if I dont get overtaken at speed at some point on my journey going either way.

The favourite is pull along side at the lights, then speed off and cut you up rather than turning, also seen several wiz past me doing the same when lights are on red.

A car once took off going over Barden mill hump bridge at high speed, and snapped its axle ( I think thsts what it's called) on landing before ploughing into a wall about 100 yards down the road, when I lived down there.

Its crazy, I'm just thankful for each time one of these incidents that happens no innocent members of the public are getting badly injured or killed..... yet
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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:08 pm

The really odd thing is that between the the "Prairie" pub, and the junction just before Burnley Centre the road is quite narrow with quite a lot of parked cars that narrow it down further. It's therefore a much slower section, but additionally there are several sets of speed cameras, two sets of traffic lights, controlled pedestrian crossings, and a major traffic island at Duke Bar.
There are v few incidents on this stretch.
Between the Prairie Pub and Pendleside Hospice, (the area where the problem is), the road is absolutely straight and much wider, and there's no central barrier. On this stretch there are no traffic control measures, (other than a set of lights by the magistrates court, which are largely ignored after dark).
Residents have been urging action for years, but as I posted earlier, nothing has really been done.
Even during the day, I've had 2 cars driving down the middle of the road towards me who ultimately passed me on the kerb side of my car in order to avoid colliding with me!!
The people ultimately responsible are the drivers, but those in authority have done nothing to try to address this.
[Cameras monitoring the lights 24/7 at Casterton / Windermere Ave would be a very simple start).

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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Herts Clarets » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:26 pm

Over recent years there have been:

Driver killed after demolishing a garden wall over Higher Reedley Road
Driver killed after hitting a tree on the Ridge in Burnley
Passenger killed after car collides with wall on Colne Rd, nr Duke Bar
And now this which has killed a front seat passenger.

Dress it up however you like, the facts are that all the deceased in these incidents are young males of Pakistani heritage, most if not all were late night/early morning and all involved vehicles being driven at speed significantly over the legal limit of 30mph.

it is a hugely disproportionate number when compared with the percentage of local population they represent. Until the Police target the offenders and cease focusing their attention on catching drivers doing a couple of miles per hour over the limit, usually around the point that a speed limit changes, there will be more incidents like the above.
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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by Lord Beamish » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:30 pm

This won’t be stopped, whoever is doing it, until there are interceptor cars with police officers in them regularly patrolling the hot-spots of these activities.

Like any organ of society, if you want a proper and effective police service, you have to be prepared to fund it proportionally.
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Re: Colne Road again.

Post by dsr » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:35 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:This won’t be stopped, whoever is doing it, until there are interceptor cars with police officers in them regularly patrolling the hot-spots of these activities.

Like any organ of society, if you want a proper and effective police service, you have to be prepared to fund it proportionally.
They could at least start with speed cameras. They pay for themselves.

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