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Hong Kong protests

Post by aggi » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:04 pm

I've not seen much mention of it on here. I've been following it on Telegram and this site https://hkmap.live/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; whilst out in HK.

It's a weird atmosphere. Bits are much quieter than normal, in part because a lot of the transport is disrupted, and other areas are as bustling as you'd expect. I walked past the edge of a blocked road earlier where black-clad, masked protesters were ripping up a bus stop to add to the barricade whilst plenty of people were just standing around watching. IN central you have people coming out during their lunch hour to protest.

Given the disparity in equipment it's amazing the protests have continued for so long. I'm not really sure how it's going to get resolved though, the two sides seem to be further apart than ever at the moment.

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by aggi » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:03 pm

Currently watching from my window. Protesters trying to protect themselves from tear gas with umbrellas
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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:55 pm

Unfortunately the sad end will be China will shut HK, all identified protesters will be shipped to mainland China and will disappear.
That’s the communist way.

I truly hope it does not happen, but I fear it will.
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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by Aclaret » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:14 pm

The protesters should be careful, the Chinese don't fcuk about, remember Tiananmen Square.

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by mdd2 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:39 pm

Surprised main land China has not taken over. They need to as the place seems to becoming ungovernable
Like it or lump it HK is part of China and the Chinese will sort it sooner or later

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:49 pm

mdd2 wrote:Surprised main land China has not taken over. They need to as the place seems to becoming ungovernable
Like it or lump it HK is part of China and the Chinese will sort it sooner or later
China have to be extraordinarily careful, the West is watching and looking for any excuse to condemn

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by levraiclaret » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:56 pm

Aclaret wrote:The protesters should be careful, the Chinese don't fcuk about, remember Tiananmen Square.
I remember and feel that Hong Kong is facing a rock/hard place choice.

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:10 pm

So if get what’s going to happen, why don’t they stop.

It’s not going to end well.

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by levraiclaret » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:13 pm

mdd2 wrote:Surprised main land China has not taken over. They need to as the place seems to becoming ungovernable
Like it or lump it HK is part of China and the Chinese will sort it sooner or later
HK is only ungovernable due to the actions of the Chinese government. They contracted not to change the government of HK for 30 years from 1997
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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:49 pm

Where are you Aggi?

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:55 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:China have to be extraordinarily careful, the West is watching and looking for any excuse to condemn
Which is why China now pay people to beat up protesters instead of doing it themselves.

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by Stayingup » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:01 pm

levraiclaret wrote:HK is only ungovernable due to the actions of the Chinese government. They contracted not to change the government of HK for 30 years from 1997
True. It was agreed 'One country two systems'. The current trouble started with proposed extradition from HK to mainland China. The Chinese (army) has been remarkably disciplined during these protests. As mentioned above, the situation is under the microscope by much of the rest of the world so China is being cautious as part of its quest to endear itself to the world. A great power it is too.

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by aggi » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:02 am

The trouble China has is partly that the rest of the world is looking on and wouldn't, in theory, countenance mainland intervention (although the question does have to be asked whether China cares and whether the rest of the world has the ability to react. You'd expect the UK and US to be at the forefront of any protests but both countries are in internal chaos at the moment).

The other issue is that this kind of interference would greatly damage the HK businesses, particularly the financial sector, etc.

I don't know what is going to happen though. I'm just down the road from the university where there have been pitched battles for the past week.

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I could see that ending very badly as the people trapped in there get desperate and there are more tales of police carrying rifles with live ammo.

In the business district you've still got people coming out to protest which then leads to riot police on the streets which isn't going to help business confidence at all.

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I passed 100 or so riot police on my way to work this morning and looking at the latest news it's going to be a circuitous route back to avoid the tear gas. My chinese colleague is understandably concerned and has steadfastly been sticking to speaking English to hide his origin.

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by aggi » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:26 am

Having been in the office all day having come out it's definitely escalated near me today. After a lengthy route back from the client to avoid the worst of the tear gas (still ended up with burning eyes and a sore throat) I got back to my hotel to find an armoured car shooting tear gas at protesters who were throwing molotov cocktails. Whole swathes of road in the centre have been ripped up and blockaded.

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by levraiclaret » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:36 pm

aggi wrote:Having been in the office all day having come out it's definitely escalated near me today. After a lengthy route back from the client to avoid the worst of the tear gas (still ended up with burning eyes and a sore throat) I got back to my hotel to find an armoured car shooting tear gas at protesters who were throwing molotov cocktails. Whole swathes of road in the centre have been ripped up and blockaded.
Take care and stay safe aggi

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by Lord Beamish » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:07 pm

aggi wrote:Having been in the office all day having come out it's definitely escalated near me today. After a lengthy route back from the client to avoid the worst of the tear gas (still ended up with burning eyes and a sore throat) I got back to my hotel to find an armoured car shooting tear gas at protesters who were throwing molotov cocktails. Whole swathes of road in the centre have been ripped up and blockaded.
May you live in interesting times, mate.

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by aggi » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:41 am

Cheers. It got pretty bad on Monday night with multiple armoured cars and water cannon:

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It's calmed down a lot now that most of the people in the University have surrendered but I don't really know how it's going to get resolved in the long-term.

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