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Bosscat
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by Bosscat » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:24 pm
Wile E Coyote wrote:maybe this is why.
Pochettino (manager of the month 2013)
Mourhino
Porto
Primeira Liga: 2002–03, 2003–04
Taça de Portugal: 2002–03
Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira: 2003
UEFA Champions League: 2003–04
UEFA Cup: 2002–03
Mourinho on the touchline against Leicester City in August 2014
Chelsea
Premier League: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2014–15[237]
FA Cup: 2006–07[236]
Football League Cup: 2004–05, 2006–07,[236] 2014–15
FA Community Shield: 2005[236]
Inter Milan[236]
Serie A: 2008–09, 2009–10
Coppa Italia: 2009–10
Supercoppa Italiana: 2008
UEFA Champions League: 2009–10
Real Madrid[236]
La Liga: 2011–12
Copa del Rey: 2010–11
Supercopa de España: 2012
Manchester United
EFL Cup: 2016–17
FA Community Shield: 2016
UEFA Europa Leag
Be interesting to see how much money Moanrinho spent in the pursuit of these titles ....
I give him less than 12 months as Levy will not give him the cash other boards did in pursuit of titles and cups.
In fact I can think of "501" reasons Levy won't release huge amounts of cash.
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Reckoner
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by Reckoner » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:27 pm
there was an article linked from the bbc that said Mourinho spent the same net amount in 12 weeks in 2018 that Poch spent in 5 years at Spurs
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Dyched
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by Dyched » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:42 pm
Burnley spent more than Spurs during last seasons transfer windows! It means nothing. All this “he’s only won cos he’s spent this, this team have spent that”. It means absolutely nothing.
Fulham last season spent £100m and everyone expects them to stay up because of it. Yet ignore the fact that the rest of the league have assembled squads for that amount and more.
Chelsea spent ££££££ with Mourniho. So what? They had to compete with an Arsenal side who still had a large number of their invincible and an unbelievably strong Man U side.
He spent big with Utd. But then again Pep spent big also despite the fact he already had Kompany, Silva, Sterling and Aguero. United had nobody.
He spent at Madrid. But then Barcelona were incredible and they couldn’t compete without spending.
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Reckoner
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by Reckoner » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:51 pm
There are exceptions but on the whole there is a correlation between spend (including salaries) and performance. Particularly when you look over a longer period. It doesn't mean nothing, even if you highlight exceptions such as Fulham.
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Reckoner
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by Reckoner » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:53 pm
The skillful managers are the ones that can raise performances above their relative financial strength. Which happily includes Dyche in addition to Pochettino and others.
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by dsr » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:20 am
Dyched wrote:Burnley spent more than Spurs during last seasons transfer windows! It means nothing. All this “he’s only won cos he’s spent this, this team have spent that”. It means absolutely nothing.
Fulham last season spent £100m and everyone expects them to stay up because of it. Yet ignore the fact that the rest of the league have assembled squads for that amount and more.
Chelsea spent ££££££ with Mourniho. So what? They had to compete with an Arsenal side who still had a large number of their invincible and an unbelievably strong Man U side.
He spent big with Utd. But then again Pep spent big also despite the fact he already had Kompany, Silva, Sterling and Aguero. United had nobody.
He spent at Madrid. But then Barcelona were incredible and they couldn’t compete without spending.
If spending money means nothing, does that mean that if Klopp was at Tranmere and Guardiola at Rochdale, Tranmere and Rochdale would be in the Champions League?
Money isn't everything, obviously. As with your example at Fulham, chucking shedloads at it willy-nilly isn't likely to work. But to imply that the only reason Liverpool are top and Burnley aren't is because Klopp is a better manager than Dyche - I have my doubts. Money means a lot. Not everything; not nothing; it means a lot.
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Gazclaret83
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by Gazclaret83 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:34 am
Totally agree with what your saying,but from a Burnley perspective do you not think if dyche left burnley, it would all fall apart ?
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Wile E Coyote
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by Wile E Coyote » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:37 am
some of these lucky managers have untold fortunes to use to build their empires, Im not convinced too many of them can be given credit for success. Never utilisiing academy players must be seen as a mistake, just because they often choose to fork out millions for a star player as a gamble, doesn't equate to master tactician.
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by ClaretTony » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:41 am
Gazclaret83 wrote:Totally agree with what your saying,but from a Burnley perspective do you not think if dyche left burnley, it would all fall apart ?
It will be a very difficult time for us when Dyche does leave. His achievements at our club are phenomenal and he’s done it very much the Dyche way.
Selecting and appointing his replacement will be an even bigger and more crucial decision than the appointment of Dyche himself.
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Hibsclaret
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by Hibsclaret » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:53 am
Interesting. It is the Mail which is a caveat...however, if this is true this is just Levy managing him out. Clearly Mourinho has been targeted all season and this is shocking treatment of Pochettino given what he has achieved there...irrespective of the lack of trophies. Levy is not very classy tbh and he deserves Mourinho which will be very interesting when they fall out which is beyond inevitable...