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Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:12 am

Burnley supporters have been reported for hate crime more than any other club over the last two seasons, 17 in total.

That's four more than the next clubs, Manchester United, Sunderland and West Ham. Even more damning when factor in attendances.

"The matches where Burnley were reported were Premier League fixtures against Watford (December 9, 2017), Tottenham (December 23, 2017), Manchester United (December 26, 2017 and January 20, 2018), Brighton (April 28, 2018 and February 9, 2019), Bournemouth (September 22, 2018), Cardiff (September 29, 2018 and April 13, 2019), Leicester (November 10, 2018), Newcastle (November 26, 2018), Crystal Palace (March 2, 2019), Manchester City (April 28, 2019) and Arsenal (May 12, 2019), plus Europa League games against Istanbul Basaksehir (August 16, 2018) and Olympiacos (August 30, 2018).

Two reports from one game, against Brighton on February 9, related to race and sexual orientation. Stewart Higgins and his son Nathan Higgins both ultimately appeared at Brighton and Hove Magistrates’ Court charged with using discriminatory language towards home supporters, while Nathan Higgins was also charged with racially abusing Brighton player Gaetan Bong."

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Post by Eyres_11 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:29 am

I was reported at Brighton for hate crime, apparently the w*nker sign was homophobic. However when I spoke to BFC I was told It wasn't going any further and I wasn't arrested due to 'lack of evidence'

Load of Sh1t :lol:

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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:33 am

I'm not surprised.

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Post by joey13 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:35 am

I’m not surprised either, after witnessing some appalling behaviour at Villa

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:38 am

I am not surprised either, you only have to look on here at some comments aimed at people for simply voting on something a different way to them, you can only imagine their attitude towards someone with different skin colour to them.
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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:42 am

joey13 wrote:I’m not surprised either, after witnessing some appalling behaviour at Villa
Even worse at Sheffield United
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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:42 am

I don't know where you sit/stand at the Turf, joey, but the CFS, at times, is excruciating. The level of racism and other forms of ridiculous hostility is there for all to see and hear, including the, generally, young guests seated just a few yards away.

I didn't notice anything at Villa except the usual crap of a couple of blokes on the front row refusing to sit down. Luckily, the twohats were shifted pretty smartly.

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Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:46 am

Unfortunately, the general opinion of fans at Burnley seems to be that there is no problem and that we're being scapegoated. I really think that Burnley have a huge problem with racism and sexual discrimination. I don't believe that the majority of it is malicious, more a lack of education about the acceptability of joking about those issues.

It's certainly a problem I'd like to see the club meet head-on. A racism day and rainbow laces once a season isn't enough.

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Post by martin_p » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:49 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:Unfortunately, the general opinion of fans at Burnley seems to be that there is no problem and that we're being scapegoated. I really think that Burnley have a huge problem with racism and sexual discrimination. I don't believe that the majority of it is malicious, more a lack of education about the acceptability of joking about those issues.

It's certainly a problem I'd like to see the club meet head-on. A racism day and rainbow laces once a season isn't enough.
Are the people hearing it reporting it? It’s the only way it’ll get sorted. Either that or some ‘self policing’ in the crowd.
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Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:51 am

I've not heard it in the ground for years, and only at two away games (in a pub before Waddle first game at watford and Rovers away when we lost 5-0)

Compare that to what it was like on the Longside in the late 80s when I first started going and its massively different.

But I do worry that the changes in the way the country is going could make it worse again.

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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:54 am

martin_p wrote:Are the people hearing it reporting it? It’s the only way it’ll get sorted. Either that or some ‘self policing’ in the crowd.
I didn't personally report it as someone else did, but at (I think) the Chelsea home game in the CFS there was one chap being extremely racist towards the Chelsea fans, one chap in particular. He was escorted from the ground, but the surprise for me was that I saw him at the West Ham game so it appears that there was "no action" taken beyond removing him from the game where he was being abusive.

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Post by Fretters » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:57 am

If that's true Rick, that's ridiculous. These uneducated morons need dealing with properly or it's going to end up with the club being fined or even docked points.

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Post by martin_p » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:11 am

Rick_Muller wrote:I didn't personally report it as someone else did, but at (I think) the Chelsea home game in the CFS there was one chap being extremely racist towards the Chelsea fans, one chap in particular. He was escorted from the ground, but the surprise for me was that I saw him at the West Ham game so it appears that there was "no action" taken beyond removing him from the game where he was being abusive.
Stronger action does need to be taken.
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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by Bosscat » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:20 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:I don't know where you sit/stand at the Turf, joey, but the CFS, at times, is excruciating. The level of racism and other forms of ridiculous hostility is there for all to see and hear, including the, generally, young guests seated just a few yards away.

I didn't notice anything at Villa except the usual crap of a couple of blokes on the front row refusing to sit down. Luckily, the twohats were shifted pretty smartly.
Some near us at Villa were ejected for "Vaping" and others who had obviously had a few sherbets before the match didn't materialise in the 2nd half.

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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by SammyBoy » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:27 am

Not sure how we compare to other clubs but I've heard some proper grim stuff on the Turf.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:29 am

I'm not surprised at all, just how easy some on here take offence.

I would expect 100 reporting's a game.

How many have been found guilty for anything?

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Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:39 am

Fretters wrote:If that's true Rick, that's ridiculous. These uneducated morons need dealing with properly or it's going to end up with the club being fined or even docked points.
It's true to my recollection, by that I mean that I definitely heard extremely offensive racist slurs ("f#ck off you ni**er" and "f#ck you, you black c#nt") being shouted at the away fans by one man (and only one man, most supporters around us were shocked). I sit in the section directly next to the away fans and he was shouting it whilst stood right next to a steward at the top of his voice. I saw that another supporter made a complaint to the steward stood nearby who then decided that it was now OK to remove him from the area. My surprise was why the stewards didn't do anything until someone complained!

As to which game it was I cannot be certain, but I think it was Chelsea towards the end of the game, and as to whether it was the same bloke sat in the stand against West Ham, again I may be wrong but it certainly looked like him but I accept that it may have been a doppelganger.

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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:00 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I'm not surprised at all, just how easy some on here take offence.

I would expect 100 reporting's a game.

How many have been found guilty for anything?

And I'm not surprised at all, just how openly racist some on here are.

You're right it does need reporting, the country's not at fault - as some loon hinted earlier in the thread - it's another symptom of a relatively backward area, I guess.

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:04 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:It's true to my recollection, by that I mean that I definitely heard extremely offensive racist slurs ("f#ck off you ni**er" and "f#ck you, you black c#nt") being shouted at the away fans by one man (and only one man, most supporters around us were shocked). I sit in the section directly next to the away fans and he was shouting it whilst stood right next to a steward at the top of his voice. I saw that another supporter made a complaint to the steward stood nearby who then decided that it was now OK to remove him from the area. My surprise was why the stewards didn't do anything until someone complained!

As to which game it was I cannot be certain, but I think it was Chelsea towards the end of the game, and as to whether it was the same bloke sat in the stand against West Ham, again I may be wrong but it certainly looked like him but I accept that it may have been a doppelganger.

I notice the virtually incoherent, fat racist in the beanie who spent most of the Liverpool game - well, the bit that he saw, having rolled up late and clearing off early - slagging Salah off horrendously, again in hearing distance of those kids, has either moved seats, had a make-over or been banned. An obnoxious individual.
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Post by CFS » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:07 pm

Witnessed racism in both cfs and jhu as early as last season

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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by houseboy » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:30 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:I notice the virtually incoherent, fat git in the beanie who spent most of the Liverpool game - well, the bit that he saw, having rolled up late and clearing off early - slagging Salah off horrendously, again in hearing distance of those kids, has either moved seats, had a make-over or been banned. An obnoxious individual.
Sorry to point out bud but while we are talking 'offensive' language isn't 'fat git' a tad out of order? Relating to someone's appearance when being critical is wrong is it not? I find that someone posting on this particular thread using that king of language a little odd. Or is being offended not extended to everyone?
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Post by Cleveleys_claret » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:31 pm

Would it be worthwhile though looking at this from another viewpoint. We all know stewards do not do much unless these acts are reported them therefore forcing their hands. So it shows that Burnley fans are reporting these idiots. Yes the figures are high but when you have thousands of UTD singing about Salah being a bomber, Spurs fans in tens of thousands signing about being "yids" and several other clubs like Chelsea with their funny "racist" chants. Yes we have our fair share of idiots but no more than anyone else and the problem isnt big enough that people arent afraid of them reporting them. Can you imagine reporting spurs fans for singing "Yids" or thousands of UTD fans for a Salah bomber chant. The stewards wouldnt know where to start hence instances like these hardly get reported in the actual figures of such reports yet spend a day on the back of a tabloid without any action
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Post by Cleveleys_claret » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:33 pm

Eyres_11 wrote:I was reported at Brighton for hate crime, apparently the w*nker sign was homophobic. However when I spoke to BFC I was told It wasn't going any further and I wasn't arrested due to 'lack of evidence'

Load of Sh1t :lol:
Oooohhhhhh you're hard!!!!

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Post by houseboy » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:34 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Would it be worthwhile though looking at this from another viewpoint. We all know stewards do not do much unless these acts are reported them therefore forcing their hands. So it shows that Burnley fans are reporting these idiots. Yes the figures are high but when you have thousands of UTD singing about Salah being a bomber, Spurs fans in tens of thousands signing about being "yids" and several other clubs like Chelsea with their funny "racist" chants. Yes we have our fair share of idiots but no more than anyone else and the problem isnt big enough that people arent afraid of them reporting them. Can you imagine reporting spurs fans for singing "Yids" or thousands of UTD fans for a Salah bomber chant. The stewards wouldnt know where to start hence instances like these hardly get reported in the actual figures of such reports yet spend a day on the back of a tabloid without any action
Very good points bud. Maybe that it gets reported at Burnley more than at most places is something we should actually be proud of. Perhaps we are just more 'self-policing?

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Post by Andreshotboots » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:41 pm

SammyBoy wrote:Not sure how we compare to other clubs but I've heard some proper grim stuff on the Turf.
The chief steward at pitch side at Villa was a complete tool who was looking for trouble with anybody. Threatened to throw out an 70 year old bloke next to me just because he asked him to move to one side as he couldn’t see.

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Post by Eyres_11 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:42 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Oooohhhhhh you're hard!!!!
Confusing reply.

Simply saying its not as cut and dry as it seems, to call what I did a hate crime is a bit of a stretch :D
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Post by TVC15 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:43 pm

Not a surprise at all really that we are top of this league.
Not sure having potentially more supporters than other teams who are prepared to report the matter is necessarily true...if we have more incidents then by definition it’s more likely that they will be reported.
I think in most premier league crowds today the way fans are seated, mixed and families, women and children etc it’s likely that if there is some kind of abuse then somebody will be nearby who is prepared to report it. I have reported racist behaviour on the Turf a couple of times myself.

What I am more interested in is what as a club we are going to do about this. The Premier League has given the town a lot of good profile around the world - we should now be doing something which acts a deterrent to this and try and make sure we never finish the top of this league again.

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Post by Cleveleys_claret » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:45 pm

houseboy wrote:Very good points bud. Maybe that it gets reported at Burnley more than at most places is something we should actually be proud of. Perhaps we are just more 'self-policing?
When you read the report that we have 17 (?) charges over the last 12 months to me it makes it laughable. As a said at Spurs half the ground sing offensive we are yids songs thinking its funny. Villa fans in their thousands were recently in press about that racist song about Marvellous which they thought was funny.

Personally think we should look at it and say yes we arent perfect. We need to keep improving to eradicate this behaviour. But society as it is at present isnt helping and when you have a Prime Minister that refers to certain females as letterboxes what hope do young lads from Burnley have
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Post by Andreshotboots » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:53 pm

I’ve been in the CFS for a few seasons now and sit pretty close to the old segregation area. I can honestly say I haven’t ever heard anything racist either spoken or sung. In fact this season I have noticed an increase in black and Asian clarets in there which is excellent news. If I’d have heard it, I personally wouldn’t hesitate to report it..
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Post by bfcjg » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:58 pm

I have only heard one racist comment where I sit and the guy was roundly shouted down and reported to the stewards then removed, if by doing such actions to rid the Turf of these "people" we go up the league table for a while then so be it.
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Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:59 pm

houseboy wrote:Sorry to point out bud but while we are talking 'offensive' language isn't 'fat git' a tad out of order? Relating to someone's appearance when being critical is wrong is it not? I find that someone posting on this particular thread using that king of language a little odd. Or is being offended not extended to everyone?

You're kidding, right ?

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Post by MACCA » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:17 pm

The irony on this thread is laughable.

A lot of pot and kettle on here by some, but suppose when they do it as it's on a message board, behind a screen with a hidden identity it's ok...

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Post by Grumps » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:35 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:It's true to my recollection, by that I mean that I definitely heard extremely offensive racist slurs ("f#ck off you ni**er" and "f#ck you, you black c#nt") being shouted at the away fans by one man (and only one man, most supporters around us were shocked). I sit in the section directly next to the away fans and he was shouting it whilst stood right next to a steward at the top of his voice. I saw that another supporter made a complaint to the steward stood nearby who then decided that it was now OK to remove him from the area. My surprise was why the stewards didn't do anything until someone complained!

As to which game it was I cannot be certain, but I think it was Chelsea towards the end of the game, and as to whether it was the same bloke sat in the stand against West Ham, again I may be wrong but it certainly looked like him but I accept that it may have been a doppelganger.
When I questioned pre season why anyone would choose to sit in that area, the reply on here was.... For the banter..... Lovely

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:52 pm

MACCA wrote:The irony on this thread is laughable.

A lot of pot and kettle on here by some, but suppose when they do it as it's on a message board, behind a screen with a hidden identity it's ok...

I'm not sure whether this is a dig at me, if it isn't, apologies - if it is, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at someone lame enough to turn a pretty serious discussion regarding our club into personal, petty "Ooooh, look at the keyboard warrior" crap.
I suppose it's a convenient form of disguising the defence you perhaps have of "supporters" such as these......so me calling one of our morons a "fat git" or "obnoxious" is as bad as shouting racist garbage at a match in front of a hundred visiting schoolkids, is it ?
You know the guy in question, do you ? Maybe you're him ? I really do hope not.
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Post by MACCA » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:55 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:I'm not sure whether this is a dig at me, if it isn't, apologies - if it is, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at you turning a pretty serious discussion regarding our club into personal, petty "Ooooh, look at the keyboard warrior" crap.
I suppose it's a convenient form of disguising the defence you have of "supporters" such as these......so me calling one of our morons a "fat git" or "obnoxious" is as bad as shouting racist garbage at a match in front of a hundred visiting schoolkids, is it ?
You know the guy in question, do you ? Maybe you're him ? I really do hope not.
I'd despair if I cared.
No digs at you Eddie.

Just some people seem to change their opinion and actions to suit depending who they're wanting to side with on any one topic/thread.
If they practised what they preached itd be a whole lot easier.
More faces than big ben some folk.

Actions speak louder than words

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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by MACCA » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:59 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:..so me calling one of our morons a "fat git" or "obnoxious" is as bad as shouting racist garbage at a match in front of a hundred visiting schoolkids.
Just to answer what I hope is your main point/concern..

Nope not at all, theres nothing much more lower than a racist, and whether school kids are there or not its unacceptable no matter who the audience is or whether its infront of 1 or 1000 people.
It's wrong and shouldn't be happening anywhere in society.
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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:59 pm

That's fair enough.

Top man.

Apologies for bracketing you with houseboy.

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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:17 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:How many have been found guilty for anything?
Aye I bet thats what you would have said to Sara Rowbotham 15 years ago when she was trying to highlight the child sex abuse rings in Rochdale that she could see happening

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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:23 pm

Grumps wrote:When I questioned pre season why anyone would choose to sit in that area, the reply on here was.... For the banter..... Lovely
not sure what point you're trying to make, the banter in that area is superb at times and very enjoyable too. But to compare banter to outright blatant racism is plainly wrong.

For the record, I moved into that area because I wanted to increase my season tickets from 2 to 3 and it was the only area I could get 3 together.

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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by houseboy » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:28 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:You're kidding, right ?
Absolutely not mate. My wife works for Lancashire County Council social services, a very politically correct organisation, and if she was ever heard to call someone a fat git she would be in the same amount of trouble as someone using racist language. People of a different race or colour, sexual orientation, gender or physical ability do not have a monopoly on being offended. So no bud, I am absolutely not kidding.
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Post by TVC15 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:31 pm

We know that there’s lots of things we can argue about on this messageboard when it comes to the team, tactics, transfers etc but on this particular subject I don’t understand why it should turn into a slanging match.

Anybody who has lived in Burnley or been on a game know that there is a minority of racist idiots. There are far less than there used to be who go on the game (or they know better and keep quiet because of stricter laws and sanctions).

I hate league tables like this as they very rarely tell the true story or what clubs are doing to stop this etc. It only serves to enhance peoples perception of Burnley which can often be very lazy stereotypical journalism of the area.

All we can do as a club is work even harder than everyone else to stamp it out because there will always be the perception of the town as being racist - whatever we do.
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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:41 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Aye I bet thats what you would have said to Sara Rowbotham 15 years ago when she was trying to highlight the child sex abuse rings in Rochdale that she could see happening
Of course I would.

I think you're thinking of the MPs that turned a blind eye.
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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by houseboy » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:45 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:That's fair enough.

Top man.

Apologies for bracketing you with houseboy.
I'm not sure how you bracketed me Eddie, but what you seem to be troubled by is the fact that I simply pointed out you are describing someone, albeit maybe a racist bigot and all-round bad lot, using terms that are generally unacceptable these days.
Example: In a previous post someone pointed out that a guy in the crowd had shouted at a fan 'you f!ck!n black c*nt' and accused him of using racist language, and he was right. Now, if he had omitted the word 'black' then it wouldn't have been racist, just an insult. Only the addition of the word 'black' made it racist. Agreed? So whilst you are right to point out that the guy you are talking about was a racist, judging from what he said, you are wrong to add the term 'fat git' because in today's politically correct world you simply are not allowed to do that. I'm not saying that is right but that is the world we now live in. My point is that 'offence' can be taken by anyone if it is aimed at their appearance.

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:50 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Of course I would.

I think you're thinking of the Labour MPs that turned a blind eye.
Is dismissing something based on there not being criminal convictions not as bad as turning a blind eye?

It is your 'how many have been found guilty' kind of attitude that allowed people to turn a blind eye like what we see with racism still in todays society.

Unless someone does it in plain sight for everyone to see we can just pretend its not a problem like what happened to the Rochdale girls all those years ago
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Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:57 pm

I've removed "git". Hope that helps those whose perspective seems a bit wayward.

I kept the words "fat", "racist" and "beanie" so that folks sitting in the first ten rows of the CFS, next to the tunnel, can keep an eye out for him v Palace. ;)
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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:04 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Is dismissing something based on there not being criminal convictions not as bad as turning a blind eye?

It is your 'how many have been found guilty' kind of attitude that allowed people to turn a blind eye like what we see with racism still in todays society.
There are two people named on that report who were found not guilty.
Can you see why I ask the question if anyone has been found guilty?

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:07 pm

To attempt to show that we haven't a problem, one assumes.
You're wrong if that's the case.

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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by houseboy » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:11 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Interesting that that's all houseboy got from my posts re racism but, hey ho, fair enough. He's offended so I've tried to remove "git". Hope that helps him and others whose perspective seems a bit wayward.
A. I wasn't in the least 'offended', I don't take offence really.
B. My perspective is not 'wayward' it is simply reflecting the ease with which people these days can take offence.
C. It wasn't meant to be a personal dig at you it was just pointing out, and I have seen it many times and not just on here, that sometimes when people are complaining at the language used by some people they themselves use 'unacceptable' language when doing so.

What I try to do sometimes is to make people aware that they may not be as perfect as they think themselves to be, I know I am a long way from perfect but I accept that. I am about as far removed from being a racist as probably anyone on this site but I also find that the level of 'offence' taken these days, often by people as a third party and not directly involved, as quite odd.

No offence meant bud - and I really mean that.

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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by houseboy » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:14 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:I've removed "git". Hope that helps those whose perspective seems a bit wayward.

I kept the words "fat", "racist" and "beanie" so that folks sitting in the first ten rows of the CFS, next to the tunnel, can keep an eye out for him v Palace. ;)
It's the 'fat' bit that is allegedly offensive mate. You've actually left in the wrong bit. :lol:

Not to worry mate, no one's going to hang you for it.

By the way you can call me 'pedantic' and that is okay I think. But you mustn't call me a 'white pedant'. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Burnley Fans & Hate Crime

Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:16 pm

houseboy wrote:It's the 'fat' bit that is allegedly offensive mate. You've actually left in the wrong bit. :lol:

Not to worry mate, no one's going to hang you for it.
I'm overweight and I have no right to complain about being called fat because I am, but call me a git and I'm offended (only a little :D ) because I am not a git

:D
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