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National / Northern rail

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:21 pm

Is there a worse train network anyhwere in the world? Never mind Germany and Japan ive caught better and more reliable public transport in the middle of Africa.

All rush hour trains from Manchester to Burnley cancelled again. No refunds available. Can wait to see if next one bothers or catch the bus...

No wonder we are a nation of gas guzzlers... who in their right mind relies on this service regular?

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:23 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Is there a worse train network anyhwere in the world? Never mind Germany and Japan ive caught better and more reliable public transport in the middle of Africa.

All rush hour trains from Manchester to Burnley cancelled again. No refunds available. Can wait to see if next one bothers or catch the bus...

No wonder we are a nation of gas guzzlers... who in their right mind relies on this service regular?
Northern Rail are shocking but you are entitled to compensation.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by Funkydrummer » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:24 pm

Wait until it's privatised !!
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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Northern Rail are shocking but you are entitled to compensation.
Ive to write off and wait. For sake of a tenner I cant be arsed. But its the pain in the arse and inconvenience of it. Not to mention inability to plan.

Back to driving here I think. Until diesel tax kicks in.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:35 pm

If I’m going to Manchester I always use the bus because it’s both more convenient and cheaper for me but I’ve been caught up a few times with Northern Rail. It’s just unacceptable.

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Post by BigF » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:36 pm

You should be able to claim online via their website. I agree their service is appalling and the hassle in reclaiming is out of order.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:46 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Ive to write off and wait. For sake of a tenner I cant be arsed. But its the pain in the arse and inconvenience of it. Not to mention inability to plan.

Back to driving here I think. Until diesel tax kicks in.
If you don't write off and claim they will keep doing it. The only way too stop them is hit them in the pocket.

No matter how small.
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Post by Pstotto » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:48 pm

I missed a Preston connection and got £40 out of them, but don't forget to send registered post in case you don't get a reply.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by Siddo » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:55 pm

It costs a tenner admin costs, so is it worth spending time on the on line form for an 11 quid fare.
Northern rail are not fit for purpose.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by bfcmik » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:56 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:Wait until it's privatised !!
Or, better still, re-nationalised!

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Post by Bosscat » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:58 pm

bfcmik wrote:Or, better still, re-nationalised!
Or Re-nataprivationalised
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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by conyoviejo » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:15 pm

Northern Fail.. Have they changed the 1800's rolling stock yet. Sure they said it would be updated soon.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:18 pm

I caught the train home from Manchester on Sunday. Half the trains were cancelled with no explanation whatsoever. It's a joke what we have to put up with in the North, no way would it be allowed to happen in London and the South East.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:23 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I caught the train home from Manchester on Sunday. Half the trains were cancelled with no explanation whatsoever. It's a joke what we have to put up with in the North, no way would it be allowed to happen in London and the South East.
All the West Midlands trains from Liverpool to London are getting cancelled on Saturdays due to strike action just now.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by Bosscat » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:25 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I caught the train home from Manchester on Sunday. Half the trains were cancelled with no explanation whatsoever. It's a joke what we have to put up with in the North, no way would it be allowed to happen in London and the South East.
I take it you havent used Southwest Trains ... always on bloody strike

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:26 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Northern Fail.. Have they changed the 1800's rolling stock yet. Sure they said it would be updated soon.
The train that runs from Preston to Colne,you feel ashamed sat on it its that ancient it trundles along shaking out your fillings,when I come down on Virgin trains from Edinburgh to Preston it pretty good comfy and punctual ....and then I have to get on that bone shaker very embarrassing :D
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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by conyoviejo » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:28 pm

Steve1956 wrote:The train that runs from Preston to Colne,you feel ashamed sat on it its that ancient it trundles along shaking out your fillings,when I come down on Virgin trains from Edinburgh to Preston it pretty good comfy and punctual ....and then I have to get on that bone shaker very embarrassing :D
I should have said laughing stock,not rolling stock.. :D
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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by dougcollins » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:31 pm

If we all claim the compo we're entitled to would it improve the service?

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:38 pm

dougcollins wrote:If we all claim the compo we're entitled to would it improve the service?
If it cost less money to put extra staff on, to make sure there was enough for all trains than paying compensation for every train cancelled.

They would employ more staff.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:45 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:If you don't write off and claim they will keep doing it. The only way too stop them is hit them in the pocket.

No matter how small.
Did this after a horrendous experience at burnley manchester road. They sent me some free tickets. The train i went to use them with didnt turn up. :lol:
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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:46 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Northern Fail.. Have they changed the 1800's rolling stock yet. Sure they said it would be updated soon.
Ended up on the next one which was delayed. The prior train was meant to have 4 carriages. The next one with an extra train load of people turned up with 2.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by dougcollins » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:53 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:If it cost less money to put extra staff on, to make sure there was enough for all trains than paying compensation for every train cancelled.

They would employ more staff.


I have a feeling they'd just keep churning out the compo. I don't believe there's any way back for them.

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Post by ChrisG » Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:00 pm

Siddo wrote:It costs a tenner admin costs, so is it worth spending time on the on line form for an 11 quid fare.
Northern rail are not fit for purpose.
Definitely no admin charge when I did the delay repay.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:58 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Ive to write off and wait. For sake of a tenner I cant be arsed. But its the pain in the arse and inconvenience of it. Not to mention inability to plan.

Back to driving here I think. Until diesel tax kicks in.

delayrepay@northernrailway.co.uk

email you claim to this address they will want to see a copy of your ticket though

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by SonofPog » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:46 am

no way would it be allowed to happen in London and the South East
Not saying its not worse Up North, but I used to get the 7:29 from Brighton to London, that famously didn't run on time once in a whole year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -year.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And remember folks, we pay more to subsidise the Rail Network now its privatised! Huzzah! Trebles allround.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by tiger76 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:30 pm

Northern Rail to lose franchise :?: many people would say not before time,unlike most of their timetable.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/manchester-li ... 0002.html

Money is on the way to upgrade the service with HS3,but obviously that will take time to come to fruition.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by conyoviejo » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:32 pm

Preston to Colne line will be closed for a full week in February to accommodate work on the canal bridge.. More chaos for Northern Fail commuters..

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:42 pm

Only tried it once v Leicester home last year
We got up from Reading to Piccadilly no problem
Switched stations to sit on the Manchester to Burnley train to be told ot was terminating at Rochdale due to line issues .We ended up on the Whitch bus both ways

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:43 pm

Great news.

The pair of them are shocking. Couldn't run a bath.

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Re: National / Northern rail

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by mikeS » Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:56 am

For any change to happen you need to raise a complaint. Send Northern Rail a letter stating the details and how you were personally affected. State what, when, where. Etc, and provide photographic proof if you have it. Demand a refund for the disruption caused.

Next send Burnleys MP a similar letter and ask him to raise the poor service Northrtn are still providing in Parliament. He should take it up with Grant Shapps the Minister for Transport.

You should get a reply and it will be added to all the others as they keep them on file.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by Corky » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:16 am

The Rail Network was broken up to allow it to be sold off to private enterprise as it was expected/hoped that they would run it more efficiently than BRB. Given my job as the Network Control Manager for Royal Mail, prior to my retirement, I can tell you that there is a reason that Royal Mail switched to almost a total road borne operation some years back. When I left in 2016 they were operating just a handful of trains out of Willesden. In my view the franchises across the board haven't worked and some are clearly worse than others. Whether the answer was to renationalise we will now never know as you northerners voted in a racist tory.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by Targetman » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:11 pm

But I think you are also a northerner, unless of course you now have dual nationality??

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by bobinho » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:35 pm

I use GWR sometimes to travel with me mate to games down south.

They should remove the “G”

Spectacularly less than great.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by claret2018 » Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:04 pm

In Northern Rail’s defence, I have seen that they are upgrading their entire fleet next year to those hand carts that 2 of you pump up and down.

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Post by Billy Balfour » Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:57 pm

Welcome to the North West of England. Also known as the home of the Industrial Revolution and 5hit on by successive governments since the 1980s.
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Post by mikeS » Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:07 pm

Northern Fail in the news again re Christmas Eve services.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-engla ... ssion=true

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by Buxtonclaret » Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:56 pm

Stood on Sheffield Station on Sunday. Had half hour to wait for my train to Devon.
They announced two cancellations in that time.
Both Northern trains. One to Lincoln, the other to Manchester. Both because of staff shortages.
I've always had problems with Northern services.
They're crap.

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Post by BigF » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:12 pm

Much of the problem with "staff shortages" is because they only employ about 80% of the staff needed and expect/hope that the remaining 20% will be covered by overtime etc. When crew do not wish to do overtime or are ill etc then trains get cancelled. It is not just Northern that do this.

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Re: National / Northern rail

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:58 pm

I have to catch two NR trains to get to the game from Wakefield today. The tossers have cancelled both of them.

I have very little confidence in getting home.

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