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Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Spijed » Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:08 pm

It really is.

Even Bournemouth who are on a bad run weren't that bad and Sheff United should have won.

Pathetic at times.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by MDWat » Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:12 pm

Waved the white flag before the game even kicked off. Disgraceful performance and we’ve basically given up in 12 games already. Unacceptable
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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Spijed » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:13 pm

MDWat wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:12 pm
Waved the white flag before the game even kicked off. Disgraceful performance and we’ve basically given up in 12 games already. Unacceptable
Yes, seems the attitude is to get about 10 wins from 26 or so matches.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:16 pm

horrible performance. Dyche really has zero clue about how to tackle the bigger clubs.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by bfcjg » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:25 pm

Palace aren't that big ditto Sheff Utd.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:27 pm

Fair one. But his record against the ‘lower’ clubs is mile better than the big 6/7. Newcastle drew with City last week, we bent over and took it off them this week

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Spijed » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:32 pm

When it comes to the bottom sides we have played very well against them this season, winning 5 matches very easily.

We even gave Leicester a run for their money and were unlucky to lose.

It's just that we make teams like Spurs look like world beaters when other sides around us give them a hard game.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by SGr » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:34 pm

We turn up to get hammered. Recruitment to blame as well, we don't have intensity in the right areas, or winger with any serious pace. Our fullbacks are tragic and our centre mids cannot retain, or turn over possession well enough.
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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:35 pm

Sheffield United's first season in the Prem - similar budget to us, perhaps a little higher? And are playing like they've been in the division for the last 5 seasons.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Nonayforever » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:37 pm

SGr wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:34 pm
We turn up to get hammered. Recruitment to blame as well, we don't have intensity in the right areas, or winger with any serious pace. Our fullbacks are tragic and our centre mids cannot retain, or turn over possession well enough.
Might as well add the forwards who can't retain the ball.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Funkydrummer » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:39 pm

I don't think it's an attitude problem, it's more an ability problem.

The sides that harrass us know that we don't possess players who can cope with the high tension/high pressure style of play and that we panic and just launch the ball. Hence our inability to play well against the better sides/better managers.
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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Spijed » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:40 pm

:?: Z
Funkydrummer wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:39 pm
I don't think it's an attitude problem, it's more an ability problem.

The sides that harrass us know that we don't possess players who can cope with the high tension/high pressure style of play and that we panic and just launch the ball. Hence our inability to play well against the better sides/better managers.
Why can other teams give them a better game than us

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Funkydrummer » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:47 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:40 pm
:?: Z

Why can other teams give them a better game than us
Probably because they have more technical players than we do and/or practice playing under pressure more than we do.

Your teammates finding space to help you out and provide options helps, but we play such a rigid formation/style/system that I don't feel that the players dare take the initiative. Either that or they don't possess the nous to see the situation unfold.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Spijed » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:51 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:47 pm
Probably because they have more technical players than we do and/or practice playing under pressure more than we do.

Your teammates finding space to help you out and provide options helps, but we play such a rigid formation/style/system that I don't feel that the players dare take the initiative. Either that or they don't possess the nous to see the situation unfold.
The strange thing is though we seem very comfortable against anyone outside of the big clubs, even though they may have better players
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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by SGr » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:29 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:37 pm
Might as well add the forwards who can't retain the ball.
Not wrong. In front of goal Wood is on the whole an excellent player, but he cannot trap a bag of cement when we launch it at him.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by ervi34 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:45 pm

Wrote the same on twitter - we're the only team not to take a single point against traditional top 6. I fell like those games are lost before the actual game starts. I miss the times when we were one of the toughest team to play against. Now it's a walk in the park for big teams.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Hipper » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:58 pm

Palace lost 4-0 to Spurs - that was the half-time score too.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by elwaclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:01 pm

It is all very well keeping feet on the ground but at times I think SD has the team beat before kick off with the we’re not worthy script at times. This could turn into a nasty run unless we check it soon.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:09 pm

Newcastle (h), Bournemouth (a), Everton (a), Man Utd (h) and Villa (h) are all winnable - and loseable......
Seven points from those would steady the ship a little. 25 points by NYD would be decent enough.
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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:11 pm

It's what will keep Sean at Burnley and ensure he isn't poached by one of the bigger clubs.

That and his cup record, too.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:50 pm

Anyone blaming attitude is talking nonsense tbh.

World class players on form does not mean our attitude is bad.

We have created lots of chances against both Chelsea and Spurs recently and not scored enough of them. That’s not an attitude problem.
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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:01 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:51 pm
The strange thing is though we seem very comfortable against anyone outside of the big clubs, even though they may have better players

We don’t. Stop making stuff up.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:03 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:50 pm
Anyone blaming attitude is talking nonsense tbh.

World class players on form does not mean our attitude is bad.

We have created lots of chances against both Chelsea and Spurs recently and not scored enough of them. That’s not an attitude problem.
You’ve obviously not been there today if you can’t see our attitude was miles different too a few seasons ago.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:09 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:03 pm
You’ve obviously not been there today if you can’t see our attitude was miles different too a few seasons ago.
Pretty sure I was there 4 rows from the front. The attitude was absolutely fine. The closing down of Kane was poor for the first. The second goal was quite lucky and between that and half time we were by far the better team in general play.

That’s not an attitude problem. If we have an attitude problem at 2-0 after 8 minutes the game probably ends 8 or 9 nil

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by claretspice » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:29 pm

They've worked us out a bit, I think. Wouldn't put it down to attitude especially. That's an overreaction.

However, we're definitely not as solid as in previous years. The third goal is a freak and came from our set piece, but all four other goals came from our passes being intercepted from the back and our entire midfield 4 being taken out of the game a a result. That used to happen to us rarely - even if we weren't keeping the ball we made sure we gave it away "well".

That's partly because all of our wide players now - and let's be right, that includes McNeil- are less good defensively than the likes of Boyd and Arfurkdconce were (the exception is Hendrick but he was central today), and we also miss any sort of pace in the final third to make us a real threat on the counter. But it's also because our full backs are simply not as reliable defensively as they once were.

Against the chaff of the league (there's plenty) were more than good enough to get away with this and those same wide players (and to some extent full backs) also make us a much greater threat against those overage teams. But against the bigger teams, they've learnt to give us a little more of the ball, let us get a little bit stretched and then set their trap. Today might have been the most ruthless demonstration of that yet, and it wasn't pretty.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Stayingup » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:53 pm

Tell you what Joey Barton and Marney in midfield wouldn't have put up with that cr@p. Thats what we need some steel and guts alongside the skills of McNeil and ....... well hm I'm thinking.
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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:25 pm

It looks to me as if the things we built our relative successes on, efforrt and organisation, have been eroded.
Probably time for a shake up now.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by KRBFC » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:39 pm

It’s all become really stale with Dyche, he’s done a tremendous job but watching Wilders Sheffield United Knock it about with Basham Norwood Baldock Lundstrum in the side, it does make me quite envious and hating how we play even more. This two banks of 4 hit it long stuff with no pace, creativity or any kind of attacking intensity is really tedious and draining.

I’m at the point where the results aren’t satisfying me quite enough to enjoy watching us play. I see a lot of people on here pretend you need lots of money to pass a football but why was Coyle’s Burnley able to pass and move with intensity and how much did that squad cost? I’d hazard a guess, we have spent more on Robbie Brady than the whole of the 09/10 squad combined.

I miss the exciting wide players given the licence to attack and entertain, I remember a young kid Nathan Dyer coming off the bench for a home debut with a shirt on that looked like a dress and he was brilliant. Now I see Aaron Lennon come off the bench and he’s gash.

Brady £15m

Blake Elliot Little Eagles combined £3m?

Why can a useless manager like Coyle with a cheap bottom of the barrel squad have us play magic football? but now we are significantly richer we are so gash to watch. It’s a coaching thing, the current Aaron Lennon in that 09 Coyle side would’ve been insane, he’s completely useless for us under Dyche, does he even have 4 assists since signing 2 years ago?

We have supposedly better players and way more finance now yet we can’t beat Lower league sides in the cup because we are so rigid, static and toothless going forward. League One teams play better football than us, now you will say “well they play against Lower level opposition” you’re right but we can’t string passes together when playing against Lower level opposition.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:59 pm

its not about shocking attitude, the reason they are big clubs is because they can do things like spurs did to us today.
Our only hope is remaining solid as a team and not gifting opponents with opportunities.
In his time here sean dyche has overseen some tremendous performances from Burnley players. The troubles start when we lose the consistency. Our squad is weaker than the better teams, and we do not have any genuinely outstanding players apart fro Dwight. He can't express his abilities if those around him are having an off day. WE looked rock solid at times when tom heaton was in goal, but pope deservedly won his place, but we are seeing to many defensive slip up's thesedays, and a lacklustre midfield. If we do come up against flair players on form, then anyone up front for us will barely get a sniff at goal. Our safety depends wholly on fending off the lesser lights in this division, and we will survive because the experience we have gained at this level will see us through.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by KRBFC » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:00 am

Give me £1m Martin Paterson running around like a headless chicken, pressing from the front non stop over a lazy £10M Rodriguez any day of the week. I’ll also take Mears over Lowton, for the pace alone. We’re wasting money on shite samey players over and over rinse and repeat and it’s boring

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Bullabill » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:16 am

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:29 pm

"......... but all four other goals came from our passes being intercepted from the back ......"

Intercepted?? Come on, Spice. Lowton, for one, gave the ball directly to an opponent for the fourth and Lennon did similar for the fifth.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:42 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:35 pm
Sheffield United's first season in the Prem - similar budget to us, perhaps a little higher?
Backed by one Prince Abdullah bin Musa'ad bin Abdulaziz Al Saud...
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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:45 am

CombatClaret wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:42 am
Backed by one Prince Abdullah bin Musa'ad bin Abdulaziz Al Saud...
I'd say their squad has been put together for far less than ours has.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:48 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:45 am
I'd say their squad has been put together for far less than ours has.
Probably true, but that mainly comes from the length of our stay in the league. Would be interesting to see compared to the team Dyche got us up with.
The main difference is their owner can absorb losses.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by beddie » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:23 am

We need to start recruiting properly with more youth. The team is full of average players who in some cases are simply not good enough. Leeds is a good example of how to bring on youth,their current squad play exciting football. Bielsa knows how to get a team to play.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:57 am

They've also failed to reach the Prem on several consecutive occasions.........

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:58 am

...never mind stay there.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by groove » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:12 am

Games against the top 6 have become the new cup games. Get through them with no injuries and no silly bookings and save ourselves for the next winnable game. I'm not saying we turn up to lose, but the intensity certainly isn't there. Son's goal summed it up for me. Normally in that situation someone would take one for the team. I think we are under instruction to get through these un-winnable games unscathed.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by joey13 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:48 am

groove wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:12 am
Games against the top 6 have become the new cup games. Get through them with no injuries and no silly bookings and save ourselves for the next winnable game. I'm not saying we turn up to lose, but the intensity certainly isn't there. Son's goal summed it up for me. Normally in that situation someone would take one for the team. I think we are under instruction to get through these un-winnable games unscathed.
Only trouble is we now count whoever’s been in the top six , eg Sheff U ,Palace and Leicester

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Aclaret » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:50 am

The football spoiled a damn good day out again.
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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Herts Clarets » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:53 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:29 pm
But against the bigger teams, they've learnt to give us a little more of the ball, let us get a little bit stretched and then set their trap. Today might have been the most ruthless demonstration of that yet, and it wasn't pretty.
I read something I posted on FB a few seasons back after we were stuffed away at Chelsea and said more or less this. They stood off our midfield and let them have the ball. It invariably ended in one of two outcomes.

1. They passed the ball around a bit then gave possession away cheaply
2. They ran out of ideas, laid it back to the defenders to launch long and straight down the throat of 2 big central defenders.

Three years on and we are no better. We cannot keep hold of the ball. We have little physical presence. We have no pace. We lack a midfielder who can beat a man with a piece of skill. All we have is workhorse who can try to disrupt the opposition. Stop McNeil and there is zero threat apart from the long ball to 2 big forwards. Mark them out of the game and you beat Burnley. Hodgson had us sussed last Saturday in a game we would expect to get something out of. I expected exactly what we got v City and Spurs and that is stuffed.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:09 pm

What has really ,really upset me this season has been our total capitulation(s) against the "big boys", especially Chelsea, City and Spurs. We have stood off, given them loads of time and acres of space, not even tried to get stuck in and compete and unsurprisingly their massive hike in class has been allowed to blossom. I am extremely critical of our utterly pathetic showing yesterday and also on Tuesday and whilst others on here are tempering it with "but look at the quality of opposition", I want to say, I went to the Spurs away fixture last year and we competed and defended brilliantly and were so, so unlucky to lose at the death. I've been to Old Trafford the past 4 visits and bloody hell we've got into them and come away so unfortunate not have won. We laid into Chelsea at the back end of last season and got a superb draw. We've taken games to Liverpool and Arsenal and been robbed by Koscielny's handball. We've played the "little old Burnley" card brilliantly and been a real thorn in their sides, even when ultimately their gulf in talent (well sack of cash!) has won the day. Where is that spirit??? That's what I want to know. We look disorganised and all over the place and this thing where we compensate for being a bunch of rather inferior players with the "sum of the parts is greater" just isn't there at present. We look like a load of disparate, inferior individuals who aren't up for a challenge.

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Re: Shocking attitude against the big clubs

Post by ewanrob » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:52 pm

We cant make this about individuals, because from the manager down they've all been fantastic. However, the football/tactics at the moment are dire...the club need to hit the ground early Jan with regards to transfers

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