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Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:00 pm

Please leave ratings for all players who have played 20 mins or more.

Scoring is from 3 to 10 as follows:

10 - Out of this World
9 - Excellent
8 - Very Good
7 -Good
6 - Average
5 - Below Par
4 - Poor
3 - Abysmal

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:05 pm

Pope 4
Pieters 4
Mee 4
Tarks 5
Lowton 3
Cork 5
Hendrick 5
Brady 4
McNeil 8
Wood 4
Jay Rod 5
Lennon 4
Vydra 4

MOTM vote wont be complicated

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:07 pm

Pope 5 Not much he could do but let 5 in
Lowton 3 ripped to shreds
Mee 4 poor game
Tarky 6 very average
Pieters 4 poor game
Brady 6 average
Cork 4 poor
Hendrick 4 poor
McNeil 8 the only bright spot
Jay Rod 7 decent first half then dropped off
Wood 5 poor

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Post by kaptin1 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:09 pm

Pope 4
Lowton 3
Tarkowski 4
Mee 4
Pieters 3
Brady 3
Cork 4
Hendrick 4
McNeil 8*
Wood 4
JRod 4

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Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:11 pm

We had our belly tickled today bless us.

Pope 4
Pieters 3
Mee 3 Woeful
Tarks 4 Poor
Lowton 3 Should be his last start for us
Cork 3 Needs replacing
Hendrick 3 anonymous
Brady 4
McNeil 8 Carries this team. What a weight to have to carry round
Wood 3
Jay Rod 5
Lennon 4
Vydra 4

All intensity and pressure evaporated after the 1st goal.
We were lucky to only concede 3 1st half as well

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Post by Leyland Claret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:16 pm

Jay Rod 6
McNeil 8
All the rest 3 and they should feel embarrassed about their performances

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Post by Parkvilla » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:16 pm

Pope 4.should have done better with a couple
Lowton 3.get rid. Not good enough
Pieters 3 Definitely get rid. Never a footballer.
Mee 3.time to drop him.
Tarkowski 6 best of a woeful defence.
Brady 4 there is or was a player in there.
Hendrick 3 woeful truly woeful
Cork 3 another stormer from the midfield General. Runs in treacle.
Mcneil 8 the one shining light
Jay Rod 3.missed 2 sitters and no improvement on what we had. Another bad signing
Wood 4 zero service
Another fantastic display of Dyche football. Consistently giving the ball away will come back to kick you were it hurts. 3 games on the trot we have been dreadful and nothing ever changes.

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:17 pm

Pope 5
Lowton 3
Tarkowski 5
Mee 4
Pieters 4
Hendrick 3
Brady 4
McNeil 6
Cork 5
Wood 4
Rodriguez 6
Vydra 4


Pitiful, dreadful, not acceptable.

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by SGr » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:20 pm

Pope: 4
Lowton: 3 - tbh it should be a 0 but I'll stick to the scale
Tarkowski: 5
Mee: 4
Pieters: 4
Brady: 4
Cork: 3
Hendrick: 3
McNeil: 7*
Wood: 4
Rodriguez: 5 (-1)

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by Croydon Claret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:23 pm

McNeill 8

Rest 4

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:24 pm

Pope 3
Lowton 3 - he’s forgotten to how play football
Pieters 3 - he’s never been good enough to play PL football
Tarks 3 - bad day
Mee 3 - bad day
Hendrick 3 - Jesus. He can’t never ever play in a midfield 2 but dyche keeps trying him there. Idiotic.
Cork 3 - wofeful performance.
Mc Neil 7 - shining light.
Brady 4 - unlucky first header half but shite
Wood 3 - like a slab of concrete
Jay 3 - horrible. Just cos he’s from Burnley... he’s not good enough.
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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by Jakubs Tash » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:24 pm

I'm definitely a glass half full supporter but today was abysmal. 442 with those midfielders and full backs away to Spurs was football suicide. Poor from SD. Also, he can't keep going to games with this blind faith for 442. He has to show some ingenuity and imagination.

Lowton was poor and playing with zero confidence and we clearly night a new right back (a right sided Charlie Taylor would fit the bill). However, our biggest failing area is midfield without a doubt. We need at least 2x new bodies who have good footballing ability and enough composure that they don't panic when they get the ball and an opponent is 5 yards away. This would probably allow us to play different shapes too.

They say there is no value in the January window but we have failed so miserably in the previous 3 or 4 windows that we are actually now desperate for some quality additions and will have to make it work in January....or we could be in big trouble.

Pope 5

Lowton 3
Tarkowski 5
Mee 4
Pieters 3

Brady 4
Cork 5
Hendrick 4
McNeil 7

Wood 4
Rodriguez 4

Vydra 3
Lennon 3
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Post by PhiladelphiaChris » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:32 pm

Pope 5
Lowton 3
Tarkowski 5
Mee 4
Pieters 3
Hendrick 3
Brady 5
McNeil 7
Cork 5
Wood 4
Rodriguez 6
Vydra 4

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Post by Il Duce » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:37 pm

Pope - 4, not necessarily blaming him though he doesn’t inspire any confidence at all lately

Lowton - 3, lost track of how many times he was poor positionally and how many times he needlessly lost the ball

Tarks - 4, poor.

Mee - 4, poor.

Pieters - 3, awful.

McNeil - 6, great going forward, offers very little defensively.

Hendrick - 5, did ok.

Cork - 3, my grandma is stronger than him and her corpse rots in the grave

Brady - 4, poor.

Wood - 5, very little chance.

Jay - 5, very little chance.

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Vydra - 4, did he touch the ball?

Lennon - 4, probably do a better job at right back.

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Post by Nonayforever » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:44 pm

Didn't see the game today, but it sounds like I got lucky.

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Post by FCBurnley » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:47 pm

Other than McNeil I fail to see how anybody can give award higher than a 3. No idea why J Rid is getting fives and sixes. He did nothing other than miss an open goal. I never realized how good Westwood was/is and how hard Barnes works. I really fear the worst this season unless Sean can find another McNeil. Our squad is wafer thin as today’s bench proved. January window is vital if we are to survive. 6 losses in the last 8 games is the writing on the wall. We have been warned

McNeil 7
No other player today earned a rating
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Post by Rumbletonk » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:00 pm

3s other than
5 Pope
4 Tarks

A truly pitiful effort. I hope Lowton feels as half as bad as everyone who went

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Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:16 pm

Pope 5
Pieters 4
Mee 4
Tarks 5
Lowton 3

Cork 3
Hendrick 4
Brady 3
McNeil 8

Wood 4
Jay Rod 5

Lennon 5
Vydra 4

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Post by MDWat » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:43 pm

Pope 5
Lowton 3 - generous rating too. We need a new right back
Tarkowski 5
Mee 3 - shocking, needs dropping
Pieters 3 - nowhere near good enough
Brady 4
Cork 5
Hendrick 3 - anonymous
McNeil 7*
Rodriguez 5
Wood 4

Vydra 5

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Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:58 pm

I got slated for saying we needed a new right back last summer. Got told it was no where near a priority position. It’s not nice to be right.
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Post by bfcjg » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:08 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:58 pm
I got slated for saying we needed a new right back last summer. Got told it was no where near a priority position. It’s not nice to be right.

Lowton has been a huge disappointment after a reasonable spell last season.

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Post by ervi34 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:13 pm

Pope 6
Had two decent saves, and came off the line well a few times. Not sure he could've done better for any of the goals.

Lowton 3
One of the worst performances from a Burnley player I've seen in a while. Poor positioning, poor defending, poor ball distribution. He's a type of player who can produce a great display but also a liability because you never know what to expect from him. Bardsley should be back in the squad once he's fit but the problem is that he is not good enough either.

Mee 5
Tarkowski 4
Poor from both. Both (especially Mee) got caught out of position too many times. Should not have backed off Spurs players before second and fourth goal. Maybe Gibson deserves his chance.

Pieters 4
His positioning is dreadful. Opposition wingers also cut in the middle too many times while facing him.

McNeil 8 (MOTM)
Best Burnley player on the pitch. Everyone should look at his effort and attitude. Shame he couldn't get a goal or an assist.

Cork 3
Dreadful, slow, predictable. Had to many poor games this season and should be benched.

Hendrick 4
Had some good runs forward but that's about it.

Brady 4
Done nothing.

Wood 4
Nothing.

Jay Rodriguez 6
Tried well in the first half. Unlucky not to score that header. Lost in the second part.

SUBS:
Vydra - 4
Offered nothing. Clearly doesn't care and who could blame him.

Lennon - 5
Nothing from him yet again.

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Post by MACCA » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:15 pm

Pope 5
Lowton 3
Tarkowski 5
Mee 4
Pieters 3
Hendrick 3
Brady 4
McNeil 5
Cork 5
Wood 4
Rodriguez 6 MOM, showed heart
Vydra 4

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Post by Bfcshaun » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:38 pm

Pope 5- showing signs of frailty and kicking not what it should be.
Lowton 3- looked well out of his depth against son and not sure who is better him or Bardsley.
Pieters 3 looks dodgy in possession when in defensive position and nowhere near solid enough.
Tarkowski 4- the way Kane was allowed to drift inside and hit 4th goal shows why he isnt good enough for Enhland. Also his distribution is not good enough.
Mee 3- stopped on a couple of occasions and could have blocked shot of Kanes for fourth.
Cork 3- not the player he was with Defour alongside him, Westwood also helps him a little.
Hendrick 3- nice guy and willing to do anything asked of him but there is more to being good enough at this level than that. Static in the engine room is not it.
Brady 3- not good enough, maybe the injuries of recent years have taken its toll.
McNeil 6- only player to come out with any credit some good crosses which wasnt attacked.
Rodriguez 4- workmanlike but not the player he was first time round and not much of an improvement on what we had already.
Wood 4- missed his partner in crime and is not a player who can play as a solo forward either.

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:39 pm

Pope 5
Lowton 3
Mee 3
Tarky 5
Pieters 5
Hendrick 4
Cork 6
Brady 5
McNeil 7#
Wood 4
Rodriguez 6

For anyone blaming the attitude of the players that is absolute nonsense. Spurs were clearly too good for us and when you concede the first by giving all the time in the world and backing off arguably the best striker in the world there is only one outcome. The second goal is a bit unlucky how Pope saves and it cannons off Mee. After that we played pretty well tbh and created quite a bit (certainly should have had 1 if not 2 in the first half). However, when they get the third it’s game over. Also, the player who had the best chance to stop Son in full flow was actually McNeil who wimped out of a challenge tbh...before Pieters couldn’t quite get across in time....

The 4th goal is absolutely brilliant from Kane again. Sometimes you have to hold your hand up.

However, we are going to get the usual suspects dooming and glooming all night but we won’t be going down under Dyche just because we’ve been lamped by City and Spurs in a week.......
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Post by ClaretLoup » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:46 pm

I left after 70 minutes and I haven't left early since West Brom away in November 2006. Long delays were likely at Northumberland Park station so it was a no brainer.

Pope - 6 not much chance with any of the four goals I saw
Pieters - 4 looks like a Championship player
Mee - 4 Bossed by Kane and the Spurs front four
Tarks - 4 ditto above, limp challenge in the Spurs penalty box led to Son goal.
Lowton - 3 words fail me
Cork - 5 battled away
Hendrick - 5 as above but overrun at times
Brady - 6 was unlucky with the header and tried to get things going a bit
McNeil - 7 easily the best player in Claret, but not until switched back to his position
Wood - 4 well shackled today
Jay Rod - 5 missed an absolute sitter with his head, slightly more involved and effective than Wood

Poor in and around both boxes today

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Post by taio » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:08 pm

Pope 5
Lowton 3
Tarkowski 6
Mee 4
Pieters 3
Brady 3
Cork 5
Hendrick 3 (if I could score lower I would nonexistent, awful)
McNeil 8
Rodriguez 5
Wood 4

Vydra 5

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Post by claretspice » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:15 pm

A disappointing and frustrating afternoon, but that performance needs keeping in perspective. That was an odd match and we've played worse than we did in the first half in particular and win, even kepta clean sheet.

Pope - 6 - faultless for all the goals, otherwise barely employed although he swept up well a few times.

Lowton - 4 - I'm a fan but whilst he used the balla bit better than Bardsley generally, the exceptions to that rule played us into trouble, and he never ever got to grips with Son.

Pieters - 4 - relatively little came form hos dude but his use of the ball was clumsy and his defending not a lot better.

Tarkowski - 5 - exposed one v one for at least the second, fourth and fifth goals.

Mee - 5 - too slow to close down for the opening goal and otherwise pretty unconvincing on a difficult day, although he was the pick of the back four.

Cork - 7 - for me, our most creditable player on the day. Carried the ball well, got about the midfield with a bit of hussle and made decent use of the relatively decent share of possession we saw.

Hendrick - 6 - slow to get going and guilty of not protecting the back four in the disastrous first 15 minutes, but after that he grew into the gang and did ok.

Brady - 5 - desperately unlucky not to give us a lifeline at 2-0 when his header hit the bar, and used the ball with purpose at times whilst we carried a threat in the first half, but guilty of giving too little defensive protection and faded after the break.

McNeil - 7 - real credit to him got recovering from a harrowing first 30 minutes on the right where he coughed up possession virtually every time it came his way, including critically for the opening goal when his touch eluded him and allowed Spurs to break straight into our back four. Once on the left delivered a number of telling deliveries. We do need more from him defensively though.

Rodriguez - 6 - moved well, showed purpose, but had two cracking opportunities to score with headers before the break, and fluffed them both. At this level those chances have you've buried.

Wood - 4 - never in the game and didn't give us any sort of outlet.

Vydra - 4 - offered no more than Wood, and even less presence.

Lennon - 5 - no real opportunity to get into the game.


It's no fun going to games like this and finding that a fast start from a vastly opposition kills the game within minutes; but it will happen sometimes. It was hard to tell the extent to which Spurs' attacking play was superb or our defending flimsy in the first half; the answer probably lay somewhere in between.

Spurs have a clear idea of how they intend to attack under Mourinho and they executed it with pace, directness and ruthlessness that an exposed back 4 simply couldn't cope with. Our strength under Dyche for the most part has been how well we protect the back four and our resilience, but apart from Cork, there was none of that on show during the first 30 and with the back four responding to the challenge as badly as it's possible to imagine, Spurs looked like cutting through every time they attacked.

But oddly, for all that, apart from their three first half goals, the only other clear sight of goal Spurs produced resulted in Sissoko hitting the post. By half time, Spurs had had 4 good chances and Burnley 3, with Brady hitting the bar and Jay passing up two very good chances to reduce the arrears.

But the brilliant but avoidable third goal killed the game and whilst the second half followed the same routine of some decent Burnley football and Spurs ruthlessly taking the only two real chances they had, it was all a bit of a training session by then.

And for all it's easy to take some positives and take solace in the fact we found Spurs in particularly clinical form, there's a trend here which is impossible to ignore. The bigger clubs are increasingly picking us off when we have the ball and they are tending to thrash us. All of spurs' goals today came from direct fast transitions after we gave the balls away without being back in our defensive shape. These games don't define our season but they do help set the tone, and for all expectations need to be realistic, and anaggregate of 16-3 in four games against last seasons top 4 is a little worrying.
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Post by Wokingclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:28 pm

Pope 5 Was beaten twice in the warm up to his right by our Goal Keeping Coach! Not a good day.
Lowton 3 New Full back please
Tarkowski 5 Disappointed
Mee 4 Time for Gibson
Pieters 3 Missed Charlie
Brady 5 Trying
Cork 4 Getting Stiffer
Hendrick 3 Hmmmmmmm
McNeil 8 Star Man
Rodriguez 5 Missed the best chance
Wood 4 No service

Lennon, Spurs fans applauded him which was nice, they can have him back please
Vydra at least he moves

Dyche team hard to beat...…can't say that at the moment

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Post by thelifeofbrian » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:36 pm

just back from the match- i was sat with 3 spurs fans and they thought it was Spurs best performance of the season. they thought Burnley were poor though and gave Spurs far too much time and space on the ball.

5 for everybody apart from McNeil who gets 8- felt a bit sorry for him

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Post by taio » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:40 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:15 pm
A disappointing and frustrating afternoon, but that performance needs keeping in perspective. That was an odd match and we've played worse than we did in the first half in particular and win, even kepta clean sheet.

Pope - 6 - faultless for all the goals, otherwise barely employed although he swept up well a few times.

Lowton - 4 - I'm a fan but whilst he used the balla bit better than Bardsley generally, the exceptions to that rule played us into trouble, and he never ever got to grips with Son.

Pieters - 4 - relatively little came form hos dude but his use of the ball was clumsy and his defending not a lot better.

Tarkowski - 5 - exposed one v one for at least the second, fourth and fifth goals.

Mee - 5 - too slow to close down for the opening goal and otherwise pretty unconvincing on a difficult day, although he was the pick of the back four.

Cork - 7 - for me, our most creditable player on the day. Carried the ball well, got about the midfield with a bit of hussle and made decent use of the relatively decent share of possession we saw.

Hendrick - 6 - slow to get going and guilty of not protecting the back four in the disastrous first 15 minutes, but after that he grew into the gang and did ok.

Brady - 5 - desperately unlucky not to give us a lifeline at 2-0 when his header hit the bar, and used the ball with purpose at times whilst we carried a threat in the first half, but guilty of giving too little defensive protection and faded after the break.

McNeil - 7 - real credit to him got recovering from a harrowing first 30 minutes on the right where he coughed up possession virtually every time it came his way, including critically for the opening goal when his touch eluded him and allowed Spurs to break straight into our back four. Once on the left delivered a number of telling deliveries. We do need more from him defensively though.

Rodriguez - 6 - moved well, showed purpose, but had two cracking opportunities to score with headers before the break, and fluffed them both. At this level those chances have you've buried.

Wood - 4 - never in the game and didn't give us any sort of outlet.

Vydra - 4 - offered no more than Wood, and even less presence.

Lennon - 5 - no real opportunity to get into the game.


It's no fun going to games like this and finding that a fast start from a vastly opposition kills the game within minutes; but it will happen sometimes. It was hard to tell the extent to which Spurs' attacking play was superb or our defending flimsy in the first half; the answer probably lay somewhere in between.

Spurs have a clear idea of how they intend to attack under Mourinho and they executed it with pace, directness and ruthlessness that an exposed back 4 simply couldn't cope with. Our strength under Dyche for the most part has been how well we protect the back four and our resilience, but apart from Cork, there was none of that on show during the first 30 and with the back four responding to the challenge as badly as it's possible to imagine, Spurs looked like cutting through every time they attacked.

But oddly, for all that, apart from their three first half goals, the only other clear sight of goal Spurs produced resulted in Sissoko hitting the post. By half time, Spurs had had 4 good chances and Burnley 3, with Brady hitting the bar and Jay passing up two very good chances to reduce the arrears.

But the brilliant but avoidable third goal killed the game and whilst the second half followed the same routine of some decent Burnley football and Spurs ruthlessly taking the only two real chances they had, it was all a bit of a training session by then.

And for all it's easy to take some positives and take solace in the fact we found Spurs in particularly clinical form, there's a trend here which is impossible to ignore. The bigger clubs are increasingly picking us off when we have the ball and they are tending to thrash us. All of spurs' goals today came from direct fast transitions after we gave the balls away without being back in our defensive shape. These games don't define our season but they do help set the tone, and for all expectations need to be realistic, and anaggregate of 16-3 in four games against last seasons top 4 is a little worrying.
You honestly think our two central midfielders were good and average, really?

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Post by claretspice » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:08 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:40 pm
You honestly think our two central midfielders were good and average, really?
Yes I did. Perhaps they were a bit advanced at times, and there was too much space bettered them and back 4, but by and large I thought they did absolutely fine, particularly Cork.

In truth we held our own centrally for long periods, which is why we started to get a foothold to allow McNeil to get ball in decent areas. It was our ability to defend in transition that was the problem today, and McNeil and Brady were more culpable there than the central two. They provided scant protection to help with Son in particular.
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Post by FCBurnley » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:09 pm

Somebody actually gave mom to j rod !!!

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by taio » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:15 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:08 pm
Yes I did. Perhaps they were a bit advanced at times, and there was too much space bettered them and back 4, but by and large I thought they did absolutely fine, particularly Cork.

In truth we held our own centrally for long periods, which is why we started to get a foothold to allow McNeil to get ball in decent areas. It was our ability to defend in transition that was the problem today, and McNeil and Brady were more culpable there than the central two. They provided scant protection to help with Son in particular.
Fair enough if you really think that. I think we got destroyed in the middle of the park and Hendrick was woeful. To be fair to Cork he was pretty much playing on his own because Hendrick was invisible.

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by Vintage Claret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:30 pm

Pope 5
Lowton 3
Mee 4
Tarks 5
Pieter's 3
McNeill 7
Hendrick 4
Cork 3
Brady 4
Wood 4
Jayrod 5

Dreadful performance, didn't expect us to win but thought we might at least put up a fight and salvage some pride after the mauling by Citeh on Tuesday, seems our 'strong jaw' has been shattered :-(

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by claretspice » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:32 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:15 pm
Fair enough if you really think that. I think we got destroyed in the middle of the park and Hendrick was woeful. To be fair to Cork he was pretty much playing on his own because Hendrick was invisible.
Each to their own. But Hendrick made 50 passes today - more than anyone else other than the defenders - with a pass accuracy of 86%. Just to put that in context, it's vastly superior to Sissoko today and very comparable to Dier, so to say he was anonymous seems contrary to the stats, which also say we had both more possession than Spurs and a higher pass accuracy. Stats aren't everything, but that does provide an indication that we competed ok in midfield.
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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by strayclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:36 pm

Pope 6
Lowton 3
Tarkowski 5
Mee 4
Pieters 3
Hendrick 3
Brady 4
McNeil 5
Cork 5
Wood 5
Rodriguez 6
Vydra 4
Gifted them 4 of the goals by giving the ball away

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by MACCA » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:38 pm

The love in continues for spice....

There were lots of spice heads in Manchester, they are just as credible...

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:40 pm

Pope 5
Lowton 3
Tarkowski 5
Mee 4
Pieters 3
Hendrick 4
Brady 4
McNeil 5
Cork 5
Wood 4
Rodriguez 5

Absolutely pony, where has the steel, grit & determination gone?

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by Jakubs Tash » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:44 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:32 pm
Each to their own. But Hendrick made 50 passes today - more than anyone else other than the defenders - with a pass accuracy of 86%. Just to put that in context, it's vastly superior to Sissoko today and very comparable to Dier, so to say he was anonymous seems contrary to the stats, which also say we had both more possession than Spurs and a higher pass accuracy. Stats aren't everything, but that does provide an indication that we competed ok in midfield.
How many of those passes were probing or incisive passes? How many of those passes were part of fast, thrusting attacks? Or how many of those passes were safe, backwards/sideways passes where we were just struggling to even keep the ball? Like you say, stats aren't everything.

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:45 pm

Pope 6
Lowton 4
Tarkowski 5
Mee 5
Pieters 5
Hendrick 4
Brady 5
McNeil 8
Cork 5
Wood 5
Rodriguez 5

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by taio » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:48 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:32 pm
Each to their own. But Hendrick made 50 passes today - more than anyone else other than the defenders - with a pass accuracy of 86%. Just to put that in context, it's vastly superior to Sissoko today and very comparable to Dier, so to say he was anonymous seems contrary to the stats, which also say we had both more possession than Spurs and a higher pass accuracy. Stats aren't everything, but that does provide an indication that we competed ok in midfield.
Pieters has decent passing stats but you gave him 4. Rightly so. I think you're the only person so far who has given Hendrick 6. Jeff has had some decent games lately but he was rubbish today. Not on his own but slightly worse than the next worse player.

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by claretspice » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:50 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:44 pm
How many of those passes were probing or incisive passes? How many of those passes were part of fast, thrusting attacks? Or how many of those passes were safe, backwards/sideways passes where we were just struggling to even keep the ball? Like you say, stats aren't everything.
Well, for a start you can only play incisive forward passes if you've got fast incisive runners making fast incisive runs to receive those passes, which we didn't exactly have. Which makes the statistical comparison between the Spurs midfield two and ours even more flattering. But there were a few, to answer your question. Mostly to McNeil.

Midfielders getting stick for the shortcomings of the rest of the team is unfortunately not a new thing.

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by damo_whitehead » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:51 pm

Pope 5
Lowton 3
Tarkowski 5
Mee 4
Pieters 3
Hendrick 3
Brady 4
McNeil 5
Cork 4
Wood 4
Rodriguez 6
Vydra 4

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by taio » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:55 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:50 pm
Midfielders getting stick for the shortcomings of the rest of the team is unfortunately not a new thing.
Most or even all have given the defenders and attackers poor ratings.

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by claretgilly » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:55 pm

Apologies in advance, I was down the stairs between c. minutes 30-50. Anyway, here goes:

Pope 6
Lowton 4
Tarkowski 6
Mee 5
Pieters 4
Brady 4
Cork 3
Hendrick 3
McNeil 6
Wood 5
Rodriguez 6

Caveats - they’re a good side, they’ve just lost and wanted a reaction, we’ve a few injuries ...

BUT: f**k me. I’m sorry. Those two in centre mid. Hendrick comes up with the odd thing once in a blue moon which means people on here think he’s a useful player - there really has to be more consistency. Jack Cork is a lovely lad but I think he’d get muscled off the ball in the women’s league.
Controlling, or at the very least competing in, midfield is key to winning any game at this level. I can’t describe how far away from that we seem without Westwood. I include the Palace game in that, not just the last two.

We just haven’t looked very aggressive the last few games ... I mean someone in the Burnley of old would have pulled Son down and taken a yellow before he waltzed through the whole team, surely. MotD will say great goal but I’m afraid that was atrocious. Symptomatic of the sort of resignation we’re beginning to see against these big teams. Some will say as a cliche that we can’t ever describe our Burnley team as lacking effort. Sorry, we need a bit of that aggression back or such claims become quite justified.

Yes these aren’t the games to judge a season on blah blah, but FFS give us a chance lads.
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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by claretspice » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:58 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:48 pm
Pieters has decent passing stats but you gave him 4. Rightly so. I think you're the only person so far who has given Hendrick 6. Jeff has had some decent games lately but he was rubbish today. Not on his own but slightly worse than the next worse player.
In terms of Pieters, the difference is I marked him primarily on his defending, and the fact that I recall him playing us into trouble with poor passes at least twice. Happy to be corrected but I don't recall Hendrick playing us into trouble once. And like I say, the fact that (as was my impression and also supported by the stats) we held our own man for man in midfield, and I'm pretty sure no one would suggest that was true of either of our full backs against their opposite number.

Now if you disagree, no problem. Each to their own. I've got my view from watching the game and I'm comfortable the stats bear out what I think I saw.

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by taio » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:08 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:58 pm
In terms of Pieters, the difference is I marked him primarily on his defending, and the fact that I recall him playing us into trouble with poor passes at least twice. Happy to be corrected but I don't recall Hendrick playing us into trouble once. And like I say, the fact that (as was my impression and also supported by the stats) we held our own man for man in midfield, and I'm pretty sure no one would suggest that was true of either of our full backs against their opposite number.

Now if you disagree, no problem. Each to their own. I've got my view from watching the game and I'm comfortable the stats bear out what I think I saw.
Hendrick played us into trouble early in the first half.

Why is everyone else scoring Hendrick below average or in more cases poor?

Cork had a a pass completion rate of 93%...world class stats but completely misleading today.

The stats bear out nothing on this occasion...we had the majority of possession.
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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:10 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:15 pm
A disappointing and frustrating afternoon, but that performance needs keeping in perspective. That was an odd match and we've played worse than we did in the first half in particular and win, even kepta clean sheet.

Pope - 6 - faultless for all the goals, otherwise barely employed although he swept up well a few times.

Lowton - 4 - I'm a fan but whilst he used the balla bit better than Bardsley generally, the exceptions to that rule played us into trouble, and he never ever got to grips with Son.
Spice, you blame Tarky for the last goal when it was Ben Mee, way out of position and looking silly from a basic one two.
Pieters - 4 - relatively little came form hos dude but his use of the ball was clumsy and his defending not a lot better.

Tarkowski - 5 - exposed one v one for at least the second, fourth and fifth goals.

Mee - 5 - too slow to close down for the opening goal and otherwise pretty unconvincing on a difficult day, although he was the pick of the back four.

Cork - 7 - for me, our most creditable player on the day. Carried the ball well, got about the midfield with a bit of hussle and made decent use of the relatively decent share of possession we saw.

Hendrick - 6 - slow to get going and guilty of not protecting the back four in the disastrous first 15 minutes, but after that he grew into the gang and did ok.

Brady - 5 - desperately unlucky not to give us a lifeline at 2-0 when his header hit the bar, and used the ball with purpose at times whilst we carried a threat in the first half, but guilty of giving too little defensive protection and faded after the break.

McNeil - 7 - real credit to him got recovering from a harrowing first 30 minutes on the right where he coughed up possession virtually every time it came his way, including critically for the opening goal when his touch eluded him and allowed Spurs to break straight into our back four. Once on the left delivered a number of telling deliveries. We do need more from him defensively though.

Rodriguez - 6 - moved well, showed purpose, but had two cracking opportunities to score with headers before the break, and fluffed them both. At this level those chances have you've buried.

Wood - 4 - never in the game and didn't give us any sort of outlet.

Vydra - 4 - offered no more than Wood, and even less presence.

Lennon - 5 - no real opportunity to get into the game.


It's no fun going to games like this and finding that a fast start from a vastly opposition kills the game within minutes; but it will happen sometimes. It was hard to tell the extent to which Spurs' attacking play was superb or our defending flimsy in the first half; the answer probably lay somewhere in between.

Spurs have a clear idea of how they intend to attack under Mourinho and they executed it with pace, directness and ruthlessness that an exposed back 4 simply couldn't cope with. Our strength under Dyche for the most part has been how well we protect the back four and our resilience, but apart from Cork, there was none of that on show during the first 30 and with the back four responding to the challenge as badly as it's possible to imagine, Spurs looked like cutting through every time they attacked.

But oddly, for all that, apart from their three first half goals, the only other clear sight of goal Spurs produced resulted in Sissoko hitting the post. By half time, Spurs had had 4 good chances and Burnley 3, with Brady hitting the bar and Jay passing up two very good chances to reduce the arrears.

But the brilliant but avoidable third goal killed the game and whilst the second half followed the same routine of some decent Burnley football and Spurs ruthlessly taking the only two real chances they had, it was all a bit of a training session by then.

And for all it's easy to take some positives and take solace in the fact we found Spurs in particularly clinical form, there's a trend here which is impossible to ignore. The bigger clubs are increasingly picking us off when we have the ball and they are tending to thrash us. All of spurs' goals today came from direct fast transitions after we gave the balls away without being back in our defensive shape. These games don't define our season but they do help set the tone, and for all expectations need to be realistic, and anaggregate of 16-3 in four games against last seasons top 4 is a little worrying.

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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Post by claretspice » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:15 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:08 pm
Hendrick played is into trouble early in the first half.

Why is everyone else scoring Hendrick below average or in more cases poor?

Cork had a a pass completion rate of 93%...world class stats but completely misleading today.

The stats bear out nothing on this occasion...we had the majority of possession.
Final response because this is tedious. I fully accept that I'm in a minority regarding Hendrick and indeed to a lesser extent Cork. Indeed I've got a rather more sympathetic take on the overall balance of the game. But I didn't realise that invalidated my opinion. I think the majority view is wrong and undervalues how competitive we were for long periods, but that's just my opinion. As for the stats, I'm just using them to support what I thought was the evidence of my own eyes. To dismiss them out of hand strikes me as odd; I'm willing to bet Dyche won't be disregarding them.
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