Sean Is Getting Frustrated

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Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by warksclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:20 pm

Not sure if any"one heard "The Moose" interview with Sean on Talk Sport

SD is very good at towing the line on what we can justify spending on players. We forget a lot of other managers could not handle this if managing our club. The conversation from Moose got round to Harry Kane. Sean chipped in then that we once tried to get him. Moose acted surprised -then Sean threw in "yes-I think we offered a bag of chips". I took this as him being particularly p..ssed of about our unwillingness to chase names, and its starting to tell on him

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Wokingclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:21 pm

Its no secret

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by SGr » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:22 pm

Not the first time Dyche has taken such subtle jabs. I can picture things getting fairly heated 2/3 of the way through pretty much every transfer window.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by taio » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:22 pm

I think you might be reading too much into it.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:25 pm

Yeah Spurs wanted a million pound loan fee before he had even played for the first team.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by box_of_frogs » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:25 pm

You can spend whatever you want on players - look at Sheffield United. But only 1 person can made the play in such a disjointed and dull way.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by warksclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:25 pm

I listened to that interview and it was a "different Sean Dyche"-we are vulnerable if I am right. He has been so loyal and diplomatic until now

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:30 pm

sounds like he is , the post match interview contained a less than subtle dig about lack of investment and probable loss of Dwight.
In addition the two drubbings won't have helped his mood.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by bfcjg » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:32 pm

Some of these London restaurants charge a fortune for thrice cooked chips.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by MACCA » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:41 pm

I hope so.

We look weak, slow and predictable.

The reality of not improving your starting 11 in 3 windows
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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by AlargeClaret » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:42 pm

SD has never hid his frustration but does toe the line. Wouldn’t it be great if the board said “ Sean get yourself 2 quality players in the Jan window “ personally I’d love to see some intent to say we’re stepping up here and backing the manager we lionise

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Bfcboyo » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:49 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:42 pm
SD has never hid his frustration but does toe the line. Wouldn’t it be great if the board said “ Sean get yourself 2 quality players in the Jan window “ personally I’d love to see some intent to say we’re stepping up here and backing the manager we lionise
More chance of Santa climbing down your flue.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Murger » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:50 pm

The board have had a look at what he spends money on ( Vydra, Gibson) and have decided, nah.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Long Time Lurker » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:02 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:32 pm
Some of these London restaurants charge a fortune for thrice cooked chips.
If we are making associations with Heston Blumenthal recipes we currently have more in common with snail porridge than thrice cooked chips.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:16 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:42 pm
SD has never hid his frustration but does toe the line. Wouldn’t it be great if the board said “ Sean get yourself 2 quality players in the Jan window “ personally I’d love to see some intent to say we’re stepping up here and backing the manager we lionise
Lionise ?

He'd still play hoof ball

In a no lose situation is our Sean but ask yourself the question, If he is so good how come nobody else wants him

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:07 am

So many players have been off their normal level I’m beginning to wonder if the “Dyche to...” rumours are getting to them or even if they know something we don’t.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:13 am

Maybe give a chance to the likes of Gibson and Vydra who you've blown 25 million on then eh Sean?
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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by joey13 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:18 am

Did Dyche think it ok to bring in Pieters as back up , I doubt it .

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by jojomk1 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:32 am

Pieters is just the type of back up Dyche prefers
Remember Crouch last year - and the fact that we considered keeping him on last summer

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by joey13 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:37 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:32 am
Pieters is just the type of back up Dyche prefers
Remember Crouch last year - and the fact that we considered keeping him on last summer
Pieters is not even championship standard

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:39 am

Pieters was let go by Stoke, who are struggling in the league below. Is it any wonder he looks out of his depth?
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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by ashtonlongsider » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:20 am

Look at it from the boards point of view. Our joint record signing Gibson, 1 start, Vydra scored goals for fun prior to us signing him, for a not inconsiderate sum, never been given a real chance. Wells never given a chance before being farmed out. Add to that Brady, a poor signing imo but cost big money. Defour and Hart. I could go on. Factor in the wages and there's massive outlay with very little return in the main. I would suggest the board have backed SD. Of course it could be better and we don't know the ins and outs of the ones that got away, and for what reason but he has the tools to juggle the pack irregardless of injuries, suspensions etc.
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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by jojomk1 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:45 am

We have no idea how many signings have been missed because of budget constraints
There is also an assumption that the recruitment team are not good enough but we don't know any details to back that up in terms of names identified
The bottom line is that Dyche has final word on all player movements (in and out)
Not a problem with that but I cannot believe he hasn't been given funds and player suggestions to improve on signings such as Crouch, Peiters etc - and I don't think those two would have been highlighted by the recruitment team
Sorry, but he is becoming more like a one trick pony in terms of tactics and in terms of players he wants to carry out his hoof ball methods
Snide remarks re money are just a defence to deflect from his own tactical shortcomings

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by IanMcL » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:07 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:39 am
Pieters was let go by Stoke, who are struggling in the league below. Is it any wonder he looks out of his depth?
Probably a wage thing.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by IanMcL » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:10 am

3 matches ago, we had 2 wins 3-0. All was well.
Injuries have hit at the worst time and it means the bare bones.

Of course he is frustrated.

We will get past it.

Up the Clarets.
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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Stayingup » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:46 am

MACCA wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:41 pm
I hope so.

We look weak, slow and predictable.

The reality of not improving your starting 11 in 3 windows
Correct and longer if you just consider the midfield
We have to plash out there and of course at right back too.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by AlargeClaret » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:29 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:16 pm
Lionise ?

He'd still play hoof ball

In a no lose situation is our Sean but ask yourself the question, If he is so good how come nobody else wants him
Dyche has never hidden the fact he’s forced to play the hand he’s been dealt . If he wasn’t pragmatic we’d have been smashed to pieces after the 2nd promotion . SD would love 2 great wingers,a classy playmaker ( Defour-esque ) and a world class centre forward . He’d still work em hard but we wouldn’t be playing long ball
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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:04 pm

We need to sell some of the dross, players that never play and buy some quality, we should have got Phillips from Leeds this summer but we wouldn’t pay, I really doubt we had a full £20m bid on the table for that player, would have solved a lot of problems in midfield but at least we identified the class of player we need to continue in this league.

Sean needs to do a bit of wheeling and dealing get rid of the players that are constantly injured or just don’t perform....

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Aclaret » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:06 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:32 pm
Some of these London restaurants charge a fortune for thrice cooked chips.
Thrice cooked chips will surely be burnt :D well in our house they would.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:22 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:29 pm
Dyche has never hidden the fact he’s forced to play the hand he’s been dealt . If he wasn’t pragmatic we’d have been smashed to pieces after the 2nd promotion . SD would love 2 great wingers,a classy playmaker ( Defour-esque ) and a world class centre forward . He’d still work em hard but we wouldn’t be playing long ball
Dyche has had long enough to try and improve our style of play now. We play this way because this is the way he wants to play. If anything our football is getting even more direct.
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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Blackrod » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:23 pm

The fans are getting frustrated with not strengthening weak areas of the pitch. The gaps are more apparent when the rigid framework doesn’t work. Midfield has had a glaring hole in it for as long as I can remember. It’s one dimensional and not good enough. Also how much money has been wasted on Vydra, Gibson and Wells and Lennon who we are getting no return from. Brady has not offered us much either other than a brief spell before injury. This money could have bought one or two quality players. I also can’t believe there aren’t players from home and abroad who are good enough to showcase themselves in the PL but the ‘recruitment’ team aren’t coming up with much it would seem. Making cash available is not the sole problem.
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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:35 pm

"Yes - I think we offered a bag of chips"

We should have thrown in a Haffners! ;)

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by tim_noone » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:39 pm

Even Everton dont want him now....

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:57 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:39 pm
Even Everton dont want him now....
Good !!!

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by KRBFC » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:56 am

AlargeClaret wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:29 pm
Dyche has never hidden the fact he’s forced to play the hand he’s been dealt . If he wasn’t pragmatic we’d have been smashed to pieces after the 2nd promotion . SD would love 2 great wingers,a classy playmaker ( Defour-esque ) and a world class centre forward . He’d still work em hard but we wouldn’t be playing long ball
That’s nonsense though, we played the exact same with in the Championship with one of the biggest budgets and the better squads.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:24 am

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:56 am
That’s nonsense though, we played the exact same with in the Championship with one of the biggest budgets and the better squads.
Absolute rubbish.

I suggest you rewatch the couple of minutes leading up to Arfields goal at Brentford and then say Sean Dyche teams can't play football.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:10 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:24 am
Absolute rubbish.

I suggest you rewatch the couple of minutes leading up to Arfields goal at Brentford and then say Sean Dyche teams can't play football.
The majority of that season was about winning ugly, and grinding results out though. That Brentford game was one of the few times I came off feeling like we'd played really well.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:49 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:13 am
Maybe give a chance to the likes of Gibson and Vydra who you've blown 25 million on then eh Sean?
Never going to happen Gibson should have been playing 5 weeks ago.
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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:58 am

IanMcL wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:10 am
3 matches ago, we had 2 wins 3-0. All was well.
Injuries have hit at the worst time and it means the bare bones.

Of course he is frustrated.

We will get past it.

Up the Clarets.
Was it though we had lost the previous 3 before that so i'm not convinced all was well. We have lost 6 of the last 8 and we have a really really tough game on Saturday to come against Newcastle who seem to have turned a corner, lose this and things will start look very difficult.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Andreshotboots » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:27 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:24 am
Absolute rubbish.

I suggest you rewatch the couple of minutes leading up to Arfields goal at Brentford and then say Sean Dyche teams can't play football.
Or the Hedrick goal at Everton a couple of seasons ago..

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by IanMcL » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:32 am

snapcrackleandpop wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:58 am
Was it though we had lost the previous 3 before that so i'm not convinced all was well. We have lost 6 of the last 8 and we have a really really tough game on Saturday to come against Newcastle who seem to have turned a corner, lose this and things will start look very difficult.
That's why we should fill the ground and get right behind the lads. Now is the time for all good supporters to stand up (not at the match) and be counted.

We are better than Newcastle.

Up the Clarets
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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:55 am

joey13 wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:18 am
Did Dyche think it ok to bring in Pieters as back up , I doubt it .
It was reported back on here, that Dyche was very happy with Pieters a few weeks ago, at the Earby SC Q&A event.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:12 am

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:56 am
That’s nonsense though, we played the exact same with in the Championship with one of the biggest budgets and the better squads.
You seriously don’t play fancy stuff in the champ whoever you have , we did have a good budget as we’d come down fully solvent without a parachute .

I find almost beyond belief that people think we can play exiting football with our players in the prem ??? it would be pure suicide . You also must remember that if we hadn’t suffered injuries to JBG, DD and Taylor the side would have had a far more attacking forward feel to it from the off .its been a mix n match team that has had to carry out of form players . Personally I think the board now need to look at foreign investment and at least give SD a chance to buy at least a few realistic targets

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:19 am

AlargeClaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:12 am
You seriously don’t play fancy stuff in the champ whoever you have , we did have a good budget as we’d come down fully solvent without a parachute .

I find almost beyond belief that people think we can play exiting football with our players in the prem ??? it would be pure suicide . You also must remember that if we hadn’t suffered injuries to JBG, DD and Taylor the side would have had a far more attacking forward feel to it from the off .its been a mix n match team that has had to carry out of form players . Personally I think the board now need to look at foreign investment and at least give SD a chance to buy at least a few realistic targets
West Brom and Leeds are making a pretty good go of it this year. The Leeds fans I know say the stuff they play under Bielsa is as good as they can remember. Dyche has had more than enough time now to try and add some flair/creativity but he just isn't interested.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:26 am

warksclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:20 pm
Not sure if any"one heard "The Moose" interview with Sean on Talk Sport

SD is very good at towing the line on what we can justify spending on players. We forget a lot of other managers could not handle this if managing our club. The conversation from Moose got round to Harry Kane. Sean chipped in then that we once tried to get him. Moose acted surprised -then Sean threw in "yes-I think we offered a bag of chips". I took this as him being particularly p..ssed of about our unwillingness to chase names, and its starting to tell on him
Took it as him being particularly p.ssed off? Are you serious? We tried to bring him in on loan over six years ago when we had no money and only two strikers. Spurs wanted an obscene amount of money for him. His comments were no more than a joke about that and the situation we were in at the time. Talk about misunderstanding something, putting two and two together and getting a number in the thousands.
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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by houseboy » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:57 am

ashtonlongsider wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:20 am
Look at it from the boards point of view. Our joint record signing Gibson, 1 start, Vydra scored goals for fun prior to us signing him, for a not inconsiderate sum, never been given a real chance. Wells never given a chance before being farmed out. Add to that Brady, a poor signing imo but cost big money. Defour and Hart. I could go on. Factor in the wages and there's massive outlay with very little return in the main. I would suggest the board have backed SD. Of course it could be better and we don't know the ins and outs of the ones that got away, and for what reason but he has the tools to juggle the pack irregardless of injuries, suspensions etc.
Right up to a point but wrong about Defour and Hart. Defour is one of the best players to ever pull on a Burnley shirt (and I have been watching for over 50 years now), he was just sadly very injury prone and as for Hart, he has been a brilliant player but although past his best when we signed him he was signed in an emergency situation and didn't do nearly as badly as many on here seem to suggest. He played so well in some games we got points we might not have otherwise got.
I think part of the problem is Dyche doesn't know what to look for in a striker (I'm not even sure bringing Jayrod back was such an inspired decision). Vydra cannot be a bad player, it stands to reason. If he has a problem playing for us it can only be down to what he is asked to do, the guy was banging 'em in for laughs the season before we bought him. I'm more inclined to think that that situation is more down to personalities.
We are only really short of a couple of players to make us a decent PL outfit (not great but decent) and those players I think need to be in midfield. I did used to think we needed a good striker (and maybe we still do to put pressure on Wood and Barnes) but the current strike force seems to have grown into the job and are doing very well off very limited supply (Wood has one of the best 'strike rates' in the PL apparently). We could buy Harry Kane and if he got the supply our lads get I doubt even he would get into double figures.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by jojomk1 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:13 pm

"Vydra cannot be a bad player"

I would have guessed not, given we were willing to pay so much money for him (and he had just finished the previous Championship season with a shed load of goals)

SD had to have sanctioned that deal in the first place even knowing he was not the type of striker who was anywhere near capable of playing with hoof ball tactics

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:17 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:19 am
West Brom and Leeds are making a pretty good go of it this year. The Leeds fans I know say the stuff they play under Bielsa is as good as they can remember. Dyche has had more than enough time now to try and add some flair/creativity but he just isn't interested.
And Fulham. If anything, they are the best footballing side in the Championship this season.

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by Hibsclaret » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:21 pm

houseboy wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:57 am
I think part of the problem is Dyche doesn't know what to look for in a striker (I'm not even sure bringing Jayrod back was such an inspired decision). Vydra cannot be a bad player, it stands to reason. If he has a problem playing for us it can only be down to what he is asked to do, the guy was banging 'em in for laughs the season before we bought him. I'm more inclined to think that that situation is more down to personalities.
I’m not sure how you can conclude that Dyche doesn’t know what to look for in a striker. Barnes and Wood have done an incredible job over the past 12 months and they have both improved (Barnes immeasurably). The fact that one or two have come into the club and not been able to displace them is hardly evidence of him not being able to identify a striker. The brass tacks of the situation is that to get better than what we have you probably need to spend more than 30m or improve someone who you bring in for between 5m and 15m. To pay 30m we would need to smash our transfer record...Vydra is not a bad player, just one unlucky to have 3 better ones in front of him...

Agree with you about Defour though....

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Re: Sean Is Getting Frustrated

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:10 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:13 pm
"Vydra cannot be a bad player"

I would have guessed not, given we were willing to pay so much money for him (and he had just finished the previous Championship season with a shed load of goals)

SD had to have sanctioned that deal in the first place even knowing he was not the type of striker who was anywhere near capable of playing with hoof ball tactics
You can't knock the goalscoring record of Barnes and Wood, but do we need to blindly pick them every game no matter what? There's some games where a bit more subtlety is needed, Liverpool at home springs to mind, Van Dijk and Matip were dealing with our long balls comfortably. Why not try Jay Rod or Vydra playing just behind Wood and keeping it on the deck a bit?

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