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Re: Gibson

Post by ashtonlongsider » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:32 am

If Taylors not fit for Saturday and SD has already indicates as much, I'd certainly bring in Gibson and play Mee at LB if he intends playing 4-4-2.

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Re: Gibson

Post by Bullabill » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:07 am

Good call, Ashton.

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Re: Gibson

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:22 am

claret54 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:42 pm
Both Gison and Vydra were good buys in my opinion. We need as much quality back up as possible. They provide that. But luckily because of no injuries we haven't needed either.
On a personal viewpoint we can all have some sympathy for them both because they play so rarely.
But the club is stronger because we have them .We need them for the rest of the season.

How about giving them a go when others are out of form ???

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Re: Gibson

Post by Holtyclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:16 am

He’s not second choice cover though is he, he’s next cab on the rank waiting for his opportunity which due to the fitness of me and tarks has never come. There’s always injuries and suspensions with centre halves and it’s freaky it’s never happened.

I’d swap him in for mee personally and pleased to have such quality cover.

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Re: Gibson

Post by Holtyclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:18 am

mee wasn’t a good enough lb at championship level, why would he be good enough in the premier league??? Odd comment like others saying (again) put tarks in midfield.

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Re: Gibson

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:19 am

I think we should sell Gibson and spend a lot less on his replacement and somebody not as good.

That way the balloons who can't get their head around having a squad can go back to complaining about doing things on the cheap or no ambition, it seems they can deal with this plan easier.

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Re: Gibson

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:21 am

MACCA wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:34 am
We have had injuries, it's the reason Hendrick played in the number 10 role t'other week...

Mr Dyche doesn't like or want to play Vydra for some reason, why do you think J-Rod was brought in for the 3rd forward slot and not a youngster brought in and Vydra used as number 3.

He was wanting to be moved on in the summer, it just all got a bit messy and we ended up stuck with him.
Dyche didnt even want to sign him and was forced when we could not get Jay last summer as it was him or nothing - thats why our transfer buisness is so messed up

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Re: Gibson

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:29 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:19 am
I think we should sell Gibson and spend a lot less on his replacement and somebody not as good.

That way the balloons who can't get their head around having a squad can go back to complaining about doing things on the cheap or no ambition, it seems they can deal with this plan easier.
Might as well and he can sit on his bum - by the way a very strange comment when we already have Long to do just that

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Re: Gibson

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:35 am

Whilst I'm pretty much in favour of some kind of shake up after 3 decidedly poor performances (and they WERE very poor, despite what some will say about the quality of some of the opposition) putting Mee to LB would be a huge mistake. He was a very shaky LB for quite a while and only blossomed into the player he is after he moved to CB. People (rightly) singled him out for criticism when he held the LB berth and if Taylor (sadly) ain't fit then the hapless Pieters is still a better choice than Mee. (What's Wardy doing these days!!!??? :) )

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Re: Gibson

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:36 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:29 am
Might as well and he can sit on his bum - by the way a very strange comment when we already have Long to do just that

Go with just 3 centre halfs then shall we ?

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Re: Gibson

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:46 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:36 am
Go with just 3 centre halfs then shall we ?
No but dont spend 15 million on one to sit around - our RECORD signing - go and look and find the next up and coming from the lower leagues or dare i say it ABROAD

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Re: Gibson

Post by dougcollins » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:02 pm

Mee was a terrible LB, and he'd be the first to admit it.

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Re: Gibson

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:04 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:46 am
No but dont spend 15 million on one to sit around - our RECORD signing - go and look and find the next up and coming from the lower leagues or dare i say it ABROAD


Do you find any irony in you asking to spend less considering the amount of moaning you do about not spending
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Re: Gibson

Post by claretcarrot93 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:46 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:19 am
I think we should sell Gibson and spend a lot less on his replacement and somebody not as good.

That way the balloons who can't get their head around having a squad can go back to complaining about doing things on the cheap or no ambition, it seems they can deal with this plan easier.
Problem is, why not use him when players are out of form like Mee is at the minute. You dont have to wait for injury's to use the squad

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Re: Gibson

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:56 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:04 pm
Do you find any irony in you asking to spend less considering the amount of moaning you do about not spending
You seem very mixed up - I said spend in areas we are desperate like in the midfield

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Re: Gibson

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:14 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:35 am
Whilst I'm pretty much in favour of some kind of shake up after 3 decidedly poor performances (and they WERE very poor, despite what some will say about the quality of some of the opposition) putting Mee to LB would be a huge mistake. He was a very shaky LB for quite a while and only blossomed into the player he is after he moved to CB. People (rightly) singled him out for criticism when he held the LB berth and if Taylor (sadly) ain't fit then the hapless Pieters is still a better choice than Mee. (What's Wardy doing these days!!!??? :) )
Gibson is a bit more mobile than Ben Mee, he could play left back and leave Mee in the centre.

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Re: Gibson

Post by superdimitri » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:36 pm

Gibson is no left back, neither really is Mee. If we want to play players like that at full back then we really go a step closer to pulisball.

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Re: Gibson

Post by ashtonlongsider » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:43 pm

Don't get me wrong. I'm not in any way suggesting Mee as a permanent LB solution. I think, in the main, him and Tarks are a good combination. For me the main blame over the last 3 games must lay with the midfield, giving the ball away cheaply, not closing down, backing off, thus putting extra pressure on the already overstretched defence. However, we've potentially got a problem if Taylor isn't fit. I don't think personally Pieters is the answer, and I'm still scratching my head to think he was picked ahead of a fit Charlie. Mee has lots of experience at LB and again imo he always did a good job there.

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Re: Gibson

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:49 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:36 pm
Gibson is no left back, neither really is Mee. If we want to play players like that at full back then we really go a step closer to pulisball.
From what we've seen so far neither is Pieters.
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Re: Gibson

Post by ClaretAndBlue94 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:49 pm

The chances of Mee at LB are somewhere next to nill.
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Re: Gibson

Post by FactualFrank » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:52 pm

ClaretAndBlue94 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:49 pm
The chances of Mee at LB are somewhere next to nill.
I think I'd rather have Brady at LB than Mee.

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Re: Gibson

Post by Cubanclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:53 pm

Depending on injuries, I wouldn't rule out 5-3-2 with Brady and Lennon in the wide defensive positions - enabling Gibson to come in. We might be wise to match up Newcastle's formation; think Brady and McNeil would be a great combo - Lennon and Hendrick could also link up with Cork in the middle. Did a similar thing (in germs of team shape) this time last season, albeit not too successfully, we did at leat only use 0-1 at Spurs rather than 0-5 this year.

If Westy is back - then I'm sure it will be 442.

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Re: Gibson

Post by superdimitri » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:56 pm

I don't think Pieters has any more reason to be at blame compared to any of the other back four and he clearly was purchased as cover. That's not bad considering some of the better performances he put in at the start of the season. I do agree though that I feel Pieters generally looks more like a centre half than a full back, in fact he can even play Central defence and has done plenty of times before.

Mee on the other hand does have someone who can replace him waiting for a chance so in poor form if it was ever justified it would be times like now.

All you start to do by playing someone in a secondary position is shaking up the team even more. Making one or two changes of players is one thing, but to start playing players out of position is worse.

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Re: Gibson

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:34 pm

Westy, Taylor and Barnes have proved far bigger losses than I could have anticipated tbh. Back up really isn't anywhere near good enough.
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Re: Gibson

Post by bobinho » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:21 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:19 am
I think we should sell Gibson and spend a lot less on his replacement and somebody not as good.

That way the balloons who can't get their head around having a squad can go back to complaining about doing things on the cheap or no ambition, it seems they can deal with this plan easier.
Don’t think anyone’s struggling with the idea of a strong squad, just some having a chat and discussing how WE ended up with a defender the quality (and the cost) of Gibson sat on our bench. Could understand if he was sat on Leicester’s bench, or Everton’s, but for us to pay what we did for a player who will have to wait for an injury or a suspension for a chance that won’t last (anyone see Mee or Tarks not getting back in the team straight after injury/suspension?) is just too incredible to believe. Nowt to do with not understanding the importance of a strong squad.

I’m happy he’s here, I was very happy when we signed him. But he’s far too good a player to not want to play every week.

If Mee and Tarks stay at Burnley, Gibson will be off in the summer. When he does, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear him say coming here was a MASSIVE mistake.
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Re: Gibson

Post by bobinho » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:25 pm

ClaretAndBlue94 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:49 pm
The chances of Mee at LB are somewhere next to nill.
There was a time when he was playing there that I wondered if it was only me who could see it wasn’t his position.

Then I realised, there was only one person in the ground who thought he WAS in the right position.

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Re: Gibson

Post by Top Claret » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:33 pm

Ben Mee was a poor left full back and anyone who says we should switch him needs their heads examing. Our problem is that Mee and Tarkowski have no confidence in Lowton and Pieters who are not fit for purpose.

Tarkowskis charecter needs to be put to question has he throws in the towel far to easily imo, he gave up before he kicked a ball at Tottenham.

We will just have to be patient and wait for our injured to get fit, once that happens we should have enough in the tank to limp over the line. I can't see the January transfer window giving us anything to be honest, it rarely does for any Premier league club

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Re: Gibson

Post by Quicknick » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:34 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:33 pm
Ben Mee was a poor left full back and anyone who says we should switch him needs their heads examing. Our problem is that Mee and Tarkowski have no confidence in Lowton and Pieters who are not fit for purpose.

Tarkowskis charecter needs to be put to question has he throws in the towel far to easily imo, he gave up before he kicked a ball at Tottenham.

We will just have to be patient and wait for our injured to get fit, once that happens we should have enough in the tank to limp over the line. I can't see the January transfer window giving us anything to be honest, it rarely does for any Premier league club
That middle paragraph is nonsense.

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Re: Gibson

Post by Top Claret » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:41 pm

To be fair when Mee and Tarkowski saw the team sheet they must have thought they were pisin in the wind. That side we put out at Spurs would struggle in the championship

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Re: Gibson

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:05 am

bobinho wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:21 pm
Don’t think anyone’s struggling with the idea of a strong squad, just some having a chat and discussing how WE ended up with a defender the quality (and the cost) of Gibson sat on our bench. Could understand if he was sat on Leicester’s bench, or Everton’s, but for us to pay what we did for a player who will have to wait for an injury or a suspension for a chance that won’t last (anyone see Mee or Tarks not getting back in the team straight after injury/suspension?) is just too incredible to believe. Nowt to do with not understanding the importance of a strong squad.

I’m happy he’s here, I was very happy when we signed him. But he’s far too good a player to not want to play every week.

If Mee and Tarks stay at Burnley, Gibson will be off in the summer. When he does, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear him say coming here was a MASSIVE mistake.
I am sure we will all be ok if a player who leaves says he made a mistake joining us. Should we only sign players who aren't very good then if they are likely to be on the bench ?

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Re: Gibson

Post by bobinho » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:30 pm

No. But if we are spending double figure millions on a player for cover, what should we be paying for a starter? I don’t disagree with signing Gibson, I’m on the record saying it was a good move. I believed that because of his quality, his price and his value to Boro. Because of those three factors, I also believed he was going to be a starter. Had Mee not signed on again, he would’ve been. Would we then have gone out and spent another £13m+ on cover? Of course we wouldn’t, we would’ve signed another defender for half that amount, as cover. Gibson was brought here to replace Mee. He WASNT brought here as cover. We don’t spend that amount on cover. We CANT spend that amount on cover. If we could, every position would have that sort of cover.

People are now starting to ask why Gibson doesn’t get a chance.... it’s a valid question. When the usual starters are in the middle of a dip in form, people start to wonder whose dick he has to suck to get a game!

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Re: Gibson

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:37 pm

bobinho wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:30 pm
No. But if we are spending double figure millions on a player for cover, what should we be paying for a starter? I don’t disagree with signing Gibson, I’m on the record saying it was a good move. I believed that because of his quality, his price and his value to Boro. Because of those three factors, I also believed he was going to be a starter. Had Mee not signed on again, he would’ve been. Would we then have gone out and spent another £13m+ on cover? Of course we wouldn’t, we would’ve signed another defender for half that amount, as cover. Gibson was brought here to replace Mee. He WASNT brought here as cover. We don’t spend that amount on cover. We CANT spend that amount on cover. If we could, every position would have that sort of cover.

People are now starting to ask why Gibson doesn’t get a chance.... it’s a valid question. When the usual starters are in the middle of a dip in form, people start to wonder whose dick he has to suck to get a game!
Yet we spent 21m on cover for the 2 forwards or were they both going too ?

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Re: Gibson

Post by ZizkovClaret » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:49 pm

Im curious about a potential back 3 with Mee and Gibson as stoppers and Tarks as the ball player in the middle. We should certainly be trying it against Peterborough

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Re: Gibson

Post by MACCA » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:00 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:49 pm
Im curious about a potantial back 3 with Mee and Gibson as stoppers and Tarks as the ball player in the middle. We should certainly be trying it against Peterborough

And with Taylor very good going forwards, we would only need a similar quality and minded RB to make it a real option.
Could Bogle be that man?? Certainly helps our midfield issue too, as we would be able to do a decent competitive 3

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Re: Gibson

Post by Holtyclaret » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:13 pm

bobinho wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:30 pm
No. But if we are spending double figure millions on a player for cover, what should we be paying for a starter? I don’t disagree with signing Gibson, I’m on the record saying it was a good move. I believed that because of his quality, his price and his value to Boro. Because of those three factors, I also believed he was going to be a starter. Had Mee not signed on again, he would’ve been. Would we then have gone out and spent another £13m+ on cover? Of course we wouldn’t, we would’ve signed another defender for half that amount, as cover. Gibson was brought here to replace Mee. He WASNT brought here as cover. We don’t spend that amount on cover. We CANT spend that amount on cover. If we could, every position would have that sort of cover.

People are now starting to ask why Gibson doesn’t get a chance.... it’s a valid question. When the usual starters are in the middle of a dip in form, people start to wonder whose dick he has to suck to get a game!
So you’d go into a premier league season, including Europe with only 2 pl standard centre backs? No offence to Long, good short term cover but nothing more. What if Mee had broke his leg against Aberdeen???

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Re: Gibson

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:32 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:13 pm
So you’d go into a premier league season, including Europe with only 2 pl standard centre backs? No offence to Long, good short term cover but nothing more. What if Mee had broke his leg against Aberdeen???
I agree but to be fair its what Dyche did the year before. Thankfully Mee didnt break his leg and we came 7th.
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Re: Gibson

Post by bobinho » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:45 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:13 pm
So you’d go into a premier league season, including Europe with only 2 pl standard centre backs? No offence to Long, good short term cover but nothing more. What if Mee had broke his leg against Aberdeen???
No, I wouldn’t go into a PL season with no cover, I’ve already said that previously. I suspect you know that though...

My point is, Gibson wasn’t signed as cover. There. I said it.
He IS cover, but we didn’t pay £13m for a player of his quality to sit there happily waiting to play like Long does.

And by the looks of things, if Mee had broke his leg v Aberdeen, then Gibson would’ve played until Mee was fit again. Then back to the bench I suspect.

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Re: Gibson

Post by Holtyclaret » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:32 pm

We do pay that, or more if we want a pl quality footballer to step in as the rung below in quality is Kevin long. Long wouldn’t be good enough in that example to cover for most of a season.

I understand what you’re saying about mee potentially leaving at the time he was signed but either way a third, quality cb is not the extravagance you seem to think it is.

Our three quality cbs have cost 3+1+15 million, a total of £19 million. Good business really and good backup and also Kevin long.

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