Re: Gibson
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:32 am
If Taylors not fit for Saturday and SD has already indicates as much, I'd certainly bring in Gibson and play Mee at LB if he intends playing 4-4-2.
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claret54 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:42 pmBoth Gison and Vydra were good buys in my opinion. We need as much quality back up as possible. They provide that. But luckily because of no injuries we haven't needed either.
On a personal viewpoint we can all have some sympathy for them both because they play so rarely.
But the club is stronger because we have them .We need them for the rest of the season.
Dyche didnt even want to sign him and was forced when we could not get Jay last summer as it was him or nothing - thats why our transfer buisness is so messed upMACCA wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:34 amWe have had injuries, it's the reason Hendrick played in the number 10 role t'other week...
Mr Dyche doesn't like or want to play Vydra for some reason, why do you think J-Rod was brought in for the 3rd forward slot and not a youngster brought in and Vydra used as number 3.
He was wanting to be moved on in the summer, it just all got a bit messy and we ended up stuck with him.
Might as well and he can sit on his bum - by the way a very strange comment when we already have Long to do just thatclaretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:19 amI think we should sell Gibson and spend a lot less on his replacement and somebody not as good.
That way the balloons who can't get their head around having a squad can go back to complaining about doing things on the cheap or no ambition, it seems they can deal with this plan easier.
No but dont spend 15 million on one to sit around - our RECORD signing - go and look and find the next up and coming from the lower leagues or dare i say it ABROAD
Problem is, why not use him when players are out of form like Mee is at the minute. You dont have to wait for injury's to use the squadclaretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:19 amI think we should sell Gibson and spend a lot less on his replacement and somebody not as good.
That way the balloons who can't get their head around having a squad can go back to complaining about doing things on the cheap or no ambition, it seems they can deal with this plan easier.
You seem very mixed up - I said spend in areas we are desperate like in the midfieldclaretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:04 pmDo you find any irony in you asking to spend less considering the amount of moaning you do about not spending
Gibson is a bit more mobile than Ben Mee, he could play left back and leave Mee in the centre.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:35 amWhilst I'm pretty much in favour of some kind of shake up after 3 decidedly poor performances (and they WERE very poor, despite what some will say about the quality of some of the opposition) putting Mee to LB would be a huge mistake. He was a very shaky LB for quite a while and only blossomed into the player he is after he moved to CB. People (rightly) singled him out for criticism when he held the LB berth and if Taylor (sadly) ain't fit then the hapless Pieters is still a better choice than Mee. (What's Wardy doing these days!!!??? )
From what we've seen so far neither is Pieters.superdimitri wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:36 pmGibson is no left back, neither really is Mee. If we want to play players like that at full back then we really go a step closer to pulisball.
I think I'd rather have Brady at LB than Mee.ClaretAndBlue94 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:49 pmThe chances of Mee at LB are somewhere next to nill.
Don’t think anyone’s struggling with the idea of a strong squad, just some having a chat and discussing how WE ended up with a defender the quality (and the cost) of Gibson sat on our bench. Could understand if he was sat on Leicester’s bench, or Everton’s, but for us to pay what we did for a player who will have to wait for an injury or a suspension for a chance that won’t last (anyone see Mee or Tarks not getting back in the team straight after injury/suspension?) is just too incredible to believe. Nowt to do with not understanding the importance of a strong squad.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:19 amI think we should sell Gibson and spend a lot less on his replacement and somebody not as good.
That way the balloons who can't get their head around having a squad can go back to complaining about doing things on the cheap or no ambition, it seems they can deal with this plan easier.
There was a time when he was playing there that I wondered if it was only me who could see it wasn’t his position.ClaretAndBlue94 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:49 pmThe chances of Mee at LB are somewhere next to nill.
That middle paragraph is nonsense.Top Claret wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:33 pmBen Mee was a poor left full back and anyone who says we should switch him needs their heads examing. Our problem is that Mee and Tarkowski have no confidence in Lowton and Pieters who are not fit for purpose.
Tarkowskis charecter needs to be put to question has he throws in the towel far to easily imo, he gave up before he kicked a ball at Tottenham.
We will just have to be patient and wait for our injured to get fit, once that happens we should have enough in the tank to limp over the line. I can't see the January transfer window giving us anything to be honest, it rarely does for any Premier league club
I am sure we will all be ok if a player who leaves says he made a mistake joining us. Should we only sign players who aren't very good then if they are likely to be on the bench ?bobinho wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:21 pmDon’t think anyone’s struggling with the idea of a strong squad, just some having a chat and discussing how WE ended up with a defender the quality (and the cost) of Gibson sat on our bench. Could understand if he was sat on Leicester’s bench, or Everton’s, but for us to pay what we did for a player who will have to wait for an injury or a suspension for a chance that won’t last (anyone see Mee or Tarks not getting back in the team straight after injury/suspension?) is just too incredible to believe. Nowt to do with not understanding the importance of a strong squad.
I’m happy he’s here, I was very happy when we signed him. But he’s far too good a player to not want to play every week.
If Mee and Tarks stay at Burnley, Gibson will be off in the summer. When he does, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear him say coming here was a MASSIVE mistake.
Yet we spent 21m on cover for the 2 forwards or were they both going too ?bobinho wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:30 pmNo. But if we are spending double figure millions on a player for cover, what should we be paying for a starter? I don’t disagree with signing Gibson, I’m on the record saying it was a good move. I believed that because of his quality, his price and his value to Boro. Because of those three factors, I also believed he was going to be a starter. Had Mee not signed on again, he would’ve been. Would we then have gone out and spent another £13m+ on cover? Of course we wouldn’t, we would’ve signed another defender for half that amount, as cover. Gibson was brought here to replace Mee. He WASNT brought here as cover. We don’t spend that amount on cover. We CANT spend that amount on cover. If we could, every position would have that sort of cover.
People are now starting to ask why Gibson doesn’t get a chance.... it’s a valid question. When the usual starters are in the middle of a dip in form, people start to wonder whose dick he has to suck to get a game!
ZizkovClaret wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:49 pmIm curious about a potantial back 3 with Mee and Gibson as stoppers and Tarks as the ball player in the middle. We should certainly be trying it against Peterborough
So you’d go into a premier league season, including Europe with only 2 pl standard centre backs? No offence to Long, good short term cover but nothing more. What if Mee had broke his leg against Aberdeen???bobinho wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:30 pmNo. But if we are spending double figure millions on a player for cover, what should we be paying for a starter? I don’t disagree with signing Gibson, I’m on the record saying it was a good move. I believed that because of his quality, his price and his value to Boro. Because of those three factors, I also believed he was going to be a starter. Had Mee not signed on again, he would’ve been. Would we then have gone out and spent another £13m+ on cover? Of course we wouldn’t, we would’ve signed another defender for half that amount, as cover. Gibson was brought here to replace Mee. He WASNT brought here as cover. We don’t spend that amount on cover. We CANT spend that amount on cover. If we could, every position would have that sort of cover.
People are now starting to ask why Gibson doesn’t get a chance.... it’s a valid question. When the usual starters are in the middle of a dip in form, people start to wonder whose dick he has to suck to get a game!
I agree but to be fair its what Dyche did the year before. Thankfully Mee didnt break his leg and we came 7th.Holtyclaret wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:13 pmSo you’d go into a premier league season, including Europe with only 2 pl standard centre backs? No offence to Long, good short term cover but nothing more. What if Mee had broke his leg against Aberdeen???
No, I wouldn’t go into a PL season with no cover, I’ve already said that previously. I suspect you know that though...Holtyclaret wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:13 pmSo you’d go into a premier league season, including Europe with only 2 pl standard centre backs? No offence to Long, good short term cover but nothing more. What if Mee had broke his leg against Aberdeen???