Next labour leader?

[Stayingup]

Just a point to note by all the Conservative backers - when Brexit in whatever form is eventually, I repeat eventually achieved, the resulting state of the economy will all be down to the Conservatives. There can't be any referring back to the empty treasury myth or blame on Labour or any of the other parties, The government of the day will be the ones to take all the scrutiny and slogans on the side of a bus will pale into insignificance with the reality of the outcome.

The Labour Party will need a strong, coherent, pragmatic leader in the mould of Nicola Sturgeon.

Sturgeon? God spare us. What a post. It gets better. Empty treasury Myth?

[jollyjack]

Really cant see any reorganised Labour Party challenging the Tories in the next decade. Their adherence to left wing economic ideology is not relevant in 21st century Britain. It needs to evolve and free itself of Union backers and momentum to become a post industrial centre-left liberal social democrat party by learning from the European political spectrum. As long as Marxists are controlling the NEC, donations, membership and leadership it will stagger from election defeat to election defeat.

[houseboy]

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Oh I'm sure Labour will re-group. But its going to be a long haul.

You mention cuts. When a country is left in financial dire straits as the Tories inherited can you suggest how to repair the damage? Increasing taxes wont wash as has been proven in this election result.

I could be wrong but I am always cynical when it comes to government statements and whether the economy was in the 'state' it was when the Tories came to power I believe is open to question. The Thatcher governments were still blaming Labour for things years after they had been in power themselves. The Tories do not like anything that doesn't make money, hence their intense dislike of the NHS, social services, etc. and so will use any excuse they can to make cuts in those areas (or privatise them in the case of the NHS). The privatisation of water was an absolute scandal and nothing short of criminal in my view, selling off an organisation that provides a life essential product to private monopolies was inexcusable. There isn't even the excuse of competition in that industry.
I am losing faith in all politicians to be honest and I find I can't believe a word that comes out of their collective mouths so even my natural inclination towards socialism is being soured by politicians simply not listening to what people actually want as opposed to what they casn impose on them. For what it's worth I like Corbyn and he has been the victim of an unbelievable hate campaign but in the end I suppose he was unelectable in the current political atmosphere of this country. I don't feel any great sorrow at the result of the election because it is the will of the people and as such I accept it, a lesson that the Remainers would do well to learn.
The one crumb of comfort from the results was Swinson losing her seat and having to step down. How she and her party have the gaul to use the term democrat in their name is beyond me, but I suppose alienating half the electorate by saying they would fight Brexit even if the result of a second referendum was the same buys you that kind of end product.
The other crumb is that now we will see Brexit implemented without the Libs and the SDP being able to stick their oars in.

[Bosscat]

Perhaps Jo Swinson should have listened

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[SammyBoy]

It's vital Labour get this next appointment right, and they need someone who's going to appeal to "Burnley Man" type voters. A decent amount of the damage will be repaired simply by getting rid of Corbyn and Abbott. Whether it's entirely fair or not, a lot of people just plain don't like them, and are never going to be persuaded otherwise.

I think Keir Starmer would be a respectable choice, but if they decide to go for a woman I think they need someone combative who's a bit of a battle axe, kind of like Sturgeon is for the SNP.

A Momentum backed candidate like Rebecca Long Bailey who's probably seen as a bit of a "luvvie" will go down like a lead balloon in the seats Labour need to win back.

[beddie]

Perhaps Chuka will come back, it's been downhill for him since he left, even with his new party.

[9thMay1987]

Rebacca Long-Bailey. Female, attractive, Manchester girl without an accent.

Worked in call centre, furniture store and post woman. Then trained to be a solicitor.

Just the type of northern girl to take on this government.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Perhaps Chuka will come back, it's been downhill for him since he left, even with his new party.

He will probably have joined the tory party by the end of the weekend

[Lowbankclaret]

You sit in a small minority. Your thoughts , vote , opinions are in the shadows or behind a keyboard alias. We are the people the voice of the nation and the majority.

Now hopefully you and about 8 other goons on here who feel the need to be heard loudest , spouting the same boring hippy rhetoric will dissappear into the shadows where you belong.

One nation , one vote. Common sense has prevailed and your liberal utopia is not what we want . The country the people have spoken loudly. Maybe you should listen or sit quietly in the corner .

To be fair I would happily pay a bit more council tax that was ring fenced for the NHS. I would expect some small benefits in return, however everyone who needs it should have free care at the point of need.

I think people who do things which increase the risk of needing the NHS should take out insurance. I used to have medical insurance when I raced motorbikes.

[FactualFrank]

I'm preparing for Jeremy Corbyn's speech later today...

"Would you like fries with that?"

[martin_p]

Thornberry or Raynor for me. Got to be a woman, Johnson gets really flustered.

[spt_claret]

Dan Jarvis.

Ex-army Major who served in Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Iraq and Afghanistan- not a candidate you can have doubts about his commitments to defence or national security. He backed the 2015 strikes on ISIS but has also backed reconcilliation efforts in Afghanistan, he's not a war hawk.

Northern lad. Campaigned for Remain, but regardless of the abundant dodginess of the Leave campaign, respected his constituency's vote and backed Article 50- someone who has genuine experience of the thinking necessary to heal the Brexit divide and to compromise, even when it's uncomfortable to do so.

His wife passed away after cancer needing NHS care, he's a staunch supporter of the NHS and keeping it out of the free market's control.

He's the only person I see in Labour who can mend the divides on both Brexit and the economy between different national demographics, while also being completely bulletproof to any of the foreign subversion concerns raised around Farage, Johnson, and Corbyn for years now.
Dan's the man.

[SammyBoy]

Perhaps Chuka will come back, it's been downhill for him since he left, even with his new party.

He's possibly the politician I despise the most, and I had a wry smile when I saw he lost his seat. A flicker of light on an otherwise grim political night for me.

[tiger76]

Dan Jarvis.

Ex-army Major who served in Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Iraq and Afghanistan- not a candidate you can have doubts about his commitments to defence or national security. He backed the 2015 strikes on ISIS but has also backed reconcilliation efforts in Afghanistan, he's not a war hawk.

Northern lad. Campaigned for Remain, but regardless of the abundant dodginess of the Leave campaign, respected his constituency's vote and backed Article 50- someone who has genuine experience of the thinking necessary to heal the Brexit divide and to compromise, even when it's uncomfortable to do so.

His wife passed away after cancer needing NHS care, he's a staunch supporter of the NHS and keeping it out of the free market's control.

He's the only person I see in Labour who can mend the divides on both Brexit and the economy between different national demographics, while also being completely bulletproof to any of the foreign subversion concerns raised around Farage, Johnson, and Corbyn for years now.
Dan's the man.

He'd be a great choice,but there's no chance of Momentum endorsing somebody look him,far too sensible a candidate for their marxist ideology.

I can see a breakaway Labour party emerging from the wreckage,as the pramatists will realise that's the only way of winning power.

[SammyBoy]

He'd be a great choice,but there's no chance of Momentum endorsing somebody look him,far too sensible a candidate for their marxist ideology.

I can see a breakaway Labour party emerging from the wreckage,as the pramatists will realise that's the only way of winning power.

I remember Jarvis being touted back when Corbyn was elected the first time, he seemed to disappear from sight after that though, in fact I think this is the first time I've heard his name since.

[Sproggy]

Thornberry or Raynor for me. Got to be a woman, Johnson gets really flustered.

Thornberry (or Lady Nugee as she doesn't like to be called) is about as far out of touch as you can get. Titled, loaded and ignored the referendum result to campaign for Labour to be pro-remain. Is Raynor really up to it? She sounds thick and she doesn't do much to dispel the first impression. If she can't answer a question with the one sentence she's been media trained to learn rote this week, she's stuffed.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-ra ... nifesto-UK

Labour need a complete clear out of their front bench.

[TheFamilyCat]

He'd be a great choice,but there's no chance of Momentum endorsing somebody look him,far too sensible a candidate for their marxist ideology.

I can see a breakaway Labour party emerging from the wreckage,as the pramatists will realise that's the only way of winning power.

Whoever the leader is really isn't the issue, it's those pulling the strings.

[Corky]

Whoever they pick it is clear that in order to convince the general public, he or she needs to have a bit of charisma and a sense of humour and be prepared to be self deprecating. A bit of personality. Corbyn sadly had the personality of a large lump of concrete.

[7decades]

Diane Abbott. She couldn’t be worse than Corbin.

You can count on Diane Abbott.............Have I just written a sentence containing both Diane Abbott and counting, surely not !!

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I remember Jarvis being touted back when Corbyn was elected the first time, he seemed to disappear from sight after that though, in fact I think this is the first time I've heard his name since.

Yes not heard his name for a while. A good shout though. Labour need to clear the likes of Momentum etc from the party.

[dsr]

I am hoping for Angela Rayner. Soft left and female so will be more electable.

Is she as soft, left, or female as her sister Clare?

[Billy Balfour]

Momentum will 'pick' the next leader and they will have learnt nothing from this defeat, though I do concede that a working class lass from Manchester, without all the baggage etc, will be far more palatable to northern voters than Corbyn ever could be. Unfortunately it's not just about the north and rebuilding the so-called Red Wall. It's about winning in the Tory marginals and that won't happen with a momentumesque manifesto, unless the whole economy tanks in the next five years and even then it's not a given.

[Chobulous]

The likes of Milne, Murray, Lansman et al are not interested in picking a candidate who can win an election. They have no interest in running the country, they just want to run the Labour Party. They want to maintain the purity of their Marxist dogma. Root and branch reform must start with getting rid of them.

[TVC15]

Hopefully keir starmer - the only credible person in the whole of Corbyn`s cabinet.
The likes of Thornberry are car crash material and will hopefully disappear.
Angela Raynor would be a disaster - I admire her journey to where she has got to but all the evidence I have seen in this election is that she is not the brightest / sharpest tool in the box and whenever anybody is getting the better of her in a debate (as is often the case) she has a tendency to up the volume and aggressiveness button which makes her look even worse.

If Starmer could get the likes of David Miliband and Andy Burnham back in the shadow cabinet we would be looking at a much more credible party that could start to be rebuilt.

As pointed out above its not going to be easy to get rid of the loony Momentum bullies or the influence of the trade unions as they are more interested in controlling the labour party than getting back into power.

[claret_in_exile]

There is literally no-one that I could name. They need the next Blair, but with Corbyn controlling all aspects of the party, it's difficult to see who that would be.

Everyone I've seen being mentioned has been an ultra-feminist or socialist. If those are the only options, it will be many elections before they're back as a credible party.

Perhaps the moderate, centrist elements of the Labour and Lib Dems will split and form a new SDP? Maybe that's the way forward.

EDIT: I see Dan Jarvis mentioned. Wasn't he ostracized by the Corbyn cult? His bio sounds like a good fit, which means he probably has no chance until the cancer of Momentum are destroyed.

[nil_desperandum]

No chance that Starmer will get enough support from Momentum types, (ditto Lisa Nandy, despite her many qualities)
Long- Bailey would be as unelectable as Corbyn, since she bought into his "cult"
Thornberry would fail north of Watford. Cooper is the "past".
The one to watch - who would probably get a good level of support from all "branches" of the party and resonate with the "working" north - is straight-talking Jess Phillips.
Labour needs a female leader who can reach out to everyone. Parliament would be an exciting place if she was standing opposite Johnson at the despatch box.

[Rowls]

There's no possibility that Labour can get "the next Blair" given their current party constitution.

The best they can hope for is the "next Kinnock" who'll need to rest control from UNITE and Momentum over the party mechanisms.

[claret_in_exile]

There's no possibility that Labour can get "the next Blair" given their current party constitution.

The best they can hope for is the "next Kinnock" who'll need to rest control from UNITE and Momentum over the party mechanisms.

That's an excellent point. If this turns out to be the case, the Labour Party won't be close to government for the next 15 years.

[Rowls]

Looking at 10 years (two Parilalments) if the Fixed Terms Parliament Act stays but strong chance that Johnson will dissolve that steaming pile of consitutional manure.

[Billy Balfour]

There's no possibility that Labour can get "the next Blair" given their current party constitution.

The best they can hope for is the "next Kinnock" who'll need to rest control from UNITE and Momentum over the party mechanisms.

The other affiliated unions need to wake up and smell the coffee.

[IanMcL]

Ok I'll stand.

[Vino blanco]

I hope it's Thornberry, I could do with a good laugh over the coming months.

[timshorts]

Lisa nandy Wigan MP.

[Nonayforever]

Who gives a toss who they choose.
It's yesterday's party for tomorrow's snowflakes.

[Clarets4me]

Ok I'll stand.

The party could do a lot worse, Ian ..... and probably will !

[Herts Clarets]

I know little of Angela Rayner. What I did see a couple of weekends back on Andrew Marr was a walking disaster. A classic example of know your limitations and trying to exceed them. I wouldn't let her lead my dog let alone a political party

[RMutt]

I’m going to put a focus group together. We need someone with a light touch on wealthy tax dodgers. We need someone with friends in the media. Someone who sounds ‘posh’, we know northern accents make us sound thick ...but not Islington types, they’re out of touch with ordinary working people. Not a trade unionist, that takes us back to the seventies, strikes and all that. A business man or woman perhaps, they have been in the real world. Hold on, not a champagne socialist. OK a more working class type, no they make us sound thick remember. Someone with charisma, a loveable rogue. But what happens when the press get hold of their past. We’re working on it, but it’s harder than you think getting a successful leader of the Labour Party.

[tiger76]

Thornberry (or Lady Nugee as she doesn't like to be called) is about as far out of touch as you can get. Titled, loaded and ignored the referendum result to campaign for Labour to be pro-remain. Is Raynor really up to it? She sounds thick and she doesn't do much to dispel the first impression. If she can't answer a question with the one sentence she's been media trained to learn rote this week, she's stuffed.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-ra ... nifesto-UK

Labour need a complete clear out of their front bench.

Thornberry would go down like a ton of sick in the north,she's also too closely wedded to the Corbyn project,and another London MP who looks down on the white van man.

[HarryPottsDesk]

Out of interest, how many of you angry, thick tories, yearning for a non-existent good old days, courtesy if your Eton -educated social betters is under 50?

[dermotdermot]

Be interesting to see how long Corbyn hangs around as the leader. Will he have to forgo his double leader’s salary while we’re all waiting or will he still claim the whole amount?

[Spike]

I fully expect Owen Coyle to apply for the job

[Bin Ont Turf]

Out of interest, how many of you angry, thick tories, yearning for a non-existent good old days, courtesy if your Eton -educated social betters is under 50?

There will hardly be any real Tories on here. A lot of it yesterday boiled down to who you couldn't vote for.

Mr Jeremy 'danger to the country' Corbyn and Jo 'anti democratic sandal wearing' Swinson were the reason the vote went how it did.

[elwaclaret]

The reason Corban wants to hang on is he has heard there is a bloke available in January making pretty much the same offers every year, and people still believe in him... sounds like Mementos man, right there.

[bfcjg]

Putin...…………….nope he's to far to the right for momentum.

[brexit]

I have stayed quiet over the last couple of days and just read the posts.
RLB will be the next leader she has undergone a massive makeover in the past two years and if you have been observant you'll notice she was very low key in the election run up.
I like many in Burnley who voted Tory for the first time did it to get Brexit done so that we can move on,
What many on this board won't admit is that Labour took Burnley's vote for granted and ignored the fact we voted leave.
Everyone forgets that the Tories inherited a financial black hole from a centrist Labour government and have fixed it. Can imagine the state of the fiances under a Corbyn government?
We will now see at least 10 years of Tory rule because we don't have an effective opposition due to the lack of competent leader that will be supported by momentum.
So incontinent turtle and rest of Marxist fanboys should leave and go to the socialist paradise of Venezula and watch box sets of Citizen Smith.

In Nigel We Trusted and he delivered.

[HarryPottsDesk]

You actually believe that the tories inherited 'a financial black hole' from a Labour government, and that the tories have 'fixed it'? That is the very definition of economic illiteracy. If you believe that is true, and that is the basis on which you have voted tory, you have been lied to and misled. And you are too uninformed to work out that they have taken you for a mug. It isn't raining, they are ******* on you. And laughing at you.

[dermotdermot]

I totally agree. That is just utter bilge. Cameron announced, on becoming prime minister that ‘ things are much worse than we thought’. They held an emergency budget and then went on their summer hols. When they returned in September, he then said that ‘anyway, we’ sorted it all out and Britain can no longer be categorised with Spain, Portugal and Greece’. And just so many people fell for it.

[If it be your will]

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/br ... our-leader

If I was to place a bet I would go with Rebecca Long-Baily at 5/1, or Barry Gardiner at 100/1

[DCWat]

Rebacca Long-Bailey. Female, attractive, Manchester girl without an accent.

Worked in call centre, furniture store and post woman. Then trained to be a solicitor.

Just the type of northern girl to take on this government.

Attractive!? Not after 10 pints and her being the last woman in the club! She’s not, for me at least, the sort of person that I think would appeal to a wide range of people.

She’s far too much of an argumentative union type.

I don’t know much about Lisa Nandy but she’s always come across well whenever I’ve seen her.

[Spiral]

As I've said on the other thread, Lisa Nandy if she's willing to run. Labour is screwed if it elects Long-Bailey. Granted RLB seems a nice person and is comparatively baggage-free (who isn't), commercially she's Jeremy Corbyn minus the rabble rousing. Superficially (because that's what truly counts), Labour needs to run as far away from metropolitanism as possible. Manchester, unfortunately, and undeservedly, comes with a level of baggage that Wigan doesn't in the eyes of the inbred hicks who say 'ickle' instead of ''little' whom Labour needs to court.