Ashley Westwood

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:58 pm

What an absolute talent. Delighted that he is back in the team and long may he stay there! Special mention to for a solid performance from Jack Cork, but for me Westwood was by far our standout player. He is our dynamo and he gets us ticking.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:02 pm

Barnes added a lot too.

Taylor does when he's here.

Just shows we've got one team and if one or two of those links are missing, it all falls apart.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:04 pm

Jesus easily pleased on here again - Newcastle were like us no shots on goal

That was a woeful performance and game

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:05 pm

I was going to add..

Jack Cork played better than Westwood today.

It was an absolutely diabolical performance which has been masked over by a good set piece.

Newcastle had several key players missing and were also absolutely diabolical.

1/10 all round.

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:08 pm

Push yourself a bit and go a bit festive - 3/10?

Have a mince pie and an egg nog!

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:09 pm

Let’s be honest, he was awful just like the rest of them

Not one player on that pitch could pass a ball

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:11 pm

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:02 pm
Barnes added a lot too.

Taylor does when he's here.

Just shows we've got one team and if one or two of those links are missing, it all falls apart.

Pretty much..........posters 3 & 4 may want to try supporting another team
The team worked very hard in difficult conditions, we won!...Be happy.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:14 pm

I thought Westwood was our best player today, which isn't saying much. That game didn't deserve the title of a Premier League match, it was ferkin awful. I just hope there are three teams worse than us come the end of the season.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:15 pm

Cork played better than Westwood apart from I've never seen anyone give the ball away so much in one game. Oh hang on, I forgot about Hendrick.

Disgraceful from professional players. Newcastle were poor, a good job really.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:15 pm

We were sh!t at home this time last season to Newcastle and lost. Today was slightly better and we won.
We needed that after the recent tubbings we have had

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:25 pm

Westwood was no better than bang average today. Poor first half, bit better second but Cork was easily the star of the midfield today.

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:27 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:11 pm
Pretty much..........posters 3 & 4 may want to try supporting another team

Taffy, I think they both probably do already.

I'm thrilled with the 3 points. There is a bigger picture.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:30 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:04 pm
Jesus easily pleased on here again - Newcastle were like us no shots on goal
That was a woeful performance and game

This is professional sport the only thing that matters is winning.
If you want entertainment go to a pantomime.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:36 pm

Not a good game but we deserved to win.

We’ve had plenty of wins like today in the Premier League, bits and pieces games where we need to be solid and take one of the very few chances on offer. We cancelled each other out and got the win.

Don’t get the negativity really.

As for Westwood, we miss him badly when he’s not in the team. Nobody was anything above ‘Ok’ today but we won so many second balls today and in recent weeks Cork, Hendrick and Drinkwater simply haven’t done. That’s the key thing he adds, for me.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:37 pm

Good to have him back. He was ok today but no more. Cork our best player followed by Tarkowski.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:41 pm

I must have been watching a different game to many as I thought Westwood was good today and proved how and why we miss him.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:50 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:30 pm
This is professional sport the only thing that matters is winning.
If you want entertainment go to a pantomime.

Probably couldn’t disagree more with that statement

Tinribs · Post by **Tinribs** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:55 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:04 pm
Jesus easily pleased on here again - Newcastle were like us no shots on goal

That was a woeful performance and game

Woeful game maybe,but not performance,what you expecting? Newcastle won at sheff Utd,we have lost 6 out of 8
Lads showed real character today.

Not easily pleased just very realistic mate

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:58 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:50 pm
Probably couldn’t disagree more with that statement

Go on, give it a bash

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:59 pm

Blackrod wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:41 pm
I must have been watching a different game to many as I thought Westwood was good today and proved how and why we miss him.

Agree Blackrod, Westwood is always there showing for the ball, Man of the Match.

Whitgord · Post by **Whitgord** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:11 pm

I thought Westwood played well today. He sits in front of the back four and always shows for the ball which gives the defence another option besides just lumping it forward. He seems to always have plenty of time which is the sign of a talented player. Without him there is always a gaping hole between our defence and midfield. Also Cork really got stuck in today even though he does get knocked off the ball much too easily.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:13 pm

McNeil had a couple of stand out moments,but Westwood provided the vital assist,so he edged it for me,Corky sounded much better today but he fluffed his lines in the 2nd half,thankfully it didn't prove costly,as the Toon wasted their one real sight of goal.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:14 pm

We were pretty poor all things said and Westwood no better than mediocre ,but his industry is a plus .They were awful and I don’t remember a shot on target for them, ah yes late when we had Pieters down ? Cork missed a great chance ( though on his left ) for us and apart from the goal of course I think we had just the 1st half McNeil effort . The passing was very wayward and though no lack of graft and will to win we were so devoid of creativity it was painful . McNeil being our only outlet . That said we just about deserved it and we looked a lot more solid with the returnees . Taylor will be another important jigsaw piece, but we are literally aching for a quality CM and/or some right sided pace

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:15 pm

Westwood 5 million, Joelinton 40 million

I know who the better player is

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:15 pm

Westwood makes us work.
He keeps us in the game

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:26 pm

It was good to have Westwood back and he played quite well but I wouldn't say he was outstanding today. For starters, Cork performed better than him.

The outstanding performer today was Tarkowski.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:04 pm

2019 must be Ashleys best year of his career, he has been awesome

cblantfanclub · Post by **cblantfanclub** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:24 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:04 pm
Jesus easily pleased on here again - Newcastle were like us no shots on goal.

Did you go on the game? McNeil and Cork ? You really are negative - to the point you make **** up.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:24 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:30 pm
This is professional sport the only thing that matters is winning.
If you want entertainment go to a pantomime.

Ha not sure if that's a **** take reply or not

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:26 pm

Tinribs wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:55 pm
Woeful game maybe,but not performance,what you expecting? Newcastle won at sheff Utd,we have lost 6 out of 8
Lads showed real character today.

Not easily pleased just very realistic mate

And Newcastle had 4 players out from that game - next

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:32 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:26 pm
And Newcastle had 4 players out from that game - next

You really are a cheerful Burnley supporting fan

!

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:34 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:24 pm
Ha not sure if that's a **** take reply or not

It's reality. You should really be supporting Liverpool but even then you'd find something negative to say about them!

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:38 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:04 pm
Jesus easily pleased on here again - Newcastle were like us no shots on goal

That was a woeful performance and game

We scored, how could we have had no shots/efforts on goal! You seriously need to get another hobby! Or a bird! Or team up with ksrclaret for the next game! You'll both have a wonderful time!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:47 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:04 pm
Jesus easily pleased on here again - Newcastle were like us no shots on goal

That was a woeful performance and game

God, you're so boring. I started reading your post at around 6 o'clock and have just woken back up.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:27 am

Definitely not good watching but thought Cork and Westwood kept working away and it was difficult to watch at times and must have said no 100,s of times Result at the end was worth it though

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:03 am

He’s good but he’s not Steven Defour good.

We desperately need to look into the European market as soon as f***ing possible!

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:08 pm

We play better with Westwood in the side. He keeps and wins balls. Brady just gives it away constantly. Thought Westwood and McNeil had good games yesterday.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:27 pm

He’s the best midfielder we have seen in a Burnley shirt this century

He is the fastest passer of the ball, quick thinking and always knows what he is going to do when he receives the ball. He is the first one to attack the ball when we lose it (only equalled by Sir Dean Marney). Every successful move we make, other than the punt upfield, goes through him

He is the best corner taker we have had - ever - no one comes remotely close

His only problem is that he has a nose bleed in a goal scoring opportunity

Why criticise him - we couldn’t buy better. If he had a foreign name he’d be priceless

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:29 pm

"If he had a foreign name he’d be priceless" ...and if he were 4 or 5 inches taller

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:32 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:27 pm
If he had a foreign name he’d be priceless

Agree he’s a very good player.

We could call him Ashley Madera del Oeste....so that he’s priceless and won’t get taken away

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:37 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:03 am
He’s good but he’s not Steven Defour good.

We desperately need to look into the European market as soon as f***ing possible!

Luckily for us he’s not “Steven Defour injured” either.

Westwood probably our most important player in the last 18 months - along with Dwight.
Only cost £5m too.

BFC123 · Post by **BFC123** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:42 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:09 pm
Let’s be honest, he was awful just like the rest of them

Not one player on that pitch could pass a ball

Our pass completion was 73%, which is well above average for us this season, and McNeil completed 89% of his passes.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:33 am

What we've really missed about Westwood is his dead ball delivery. Hendrick's taken a few corners in his absence which have been pretty good, but none have had the sort of whip and pace that Westwood produced on Saturday.

Other than that, we weren't really a lot better or worse for the return of Westwood so I suspect we can get a bit carried away with how much extra he added (good player though he is; I've always been a fan). The game was almost a carbon copy of the Palace game, save that we managed to nick a goal from one of those corners, and Newcastle didn't anything resembling the threat of Zaha on the counter. Same strengths and weaknesses in the way we played.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:08 am

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:27 pm
He’s the best midfielder we have seen in a Burnley shirt this century

He is the fastest passer of the ball, quick thinking and always knows what he is going to do when he receives the ball. He is the first one to attack the ball when we lose it (only equalled by Sir Dean Marney). Every successful move we make, other than the punt upfield, goes through him

He is the best corner taker we have had - ever - no one comes remotely close

His only problem is that he has a nose bleed in a goal scoring opportunity

Why criticise him - we couldn’t buy better. If he had a foreign name he’d be priceless

Sorry but if you're talking about natural ability then he doesn't come close to Steven Defour.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:45 pm

claretspice wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:33 am
What we've really missed about Westwood is his dead ball delivery. Hendrick's taken a few corners in his absence which have been pretty good, but none have had the sort of whip and pace that Westwood produced on Saturday.

Other than that, we weren't really a lot better or worse for the return of Westwood so I suspect we can get a bit carried away with how much extra he added (good player though he is; I've always been a fan). The game was almost a carbon copy of the Palace game, save that we managed to nick a goal from one of those corners, and Newcastle didn't anything resembling the threat of Zaha on the counter. Same strengths and weaknesses in the way we played.

I know that you're a big fan of Hendrick but if you can't see that Westwood brings a lot more to our midfield then you're seriously blinkered. Westwood plays the quick balls into the channels which has been an enormous part of our recent success. He adds the fantastic set piece deliveries which you mention and he presses the opposition with real intensity.

The difference on Saturday was noticeable even if the overall team performance wasn't the most rounded. We looked a lot more solid without the ball and Cork had his best game for a while which I suspect isn't a coincidence.

Hendrick's a decent player but you're going to struggle to convince me, and I suspect many others, that he is as effective as Westwood in midfield two.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:17 pm

claretspice wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:33 am
What we've really missed about Westwood is his dead ball delivery. Hendrick's taken a few corners in his absence which have been pretty good, but none have had the sort of whip and pace that Westwood produced on Saturday.

Other than that, we weren't really a lot better or worse for the return of Westwood so I suspect we can get a bit carried away with how much extra he added (good player though he is; I've always been a fan). The game was almost a carbon copy of the Palace game, save that we managed to nick a goal from one of those corners, and Newcastle didn't anything resembling the threat of Zaha on the counter. Same strengths and weaknesses in the way we played.

Not just his dead ball delivery but also the fact that his is by some distance the best passer of the ball in the team.

cblantfanclub · Post by **cblantfanclub** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:42 pm

Don't think Westwood's corners particularly have "whip and Pace". It's his knack to get them to drop in the right place and drop relatively vertical in the last part of their flight so defenders need to be under it as it's not going to fly across the box at a convenient height to be defended. It's a trick we have but I guess will be found out.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:45 pm
I know that you're a big fan of Hendrick but if you can't see that Westwood brings a lot more to our midfield then you're seriously blinkered. Westwood plays the quick balls into the channels which has been an enormous part of our recent success. He adds the fantastic set piece deliveries which you mention and he presses the opposition with real intensity.

The difference on Saturday was noticeable even if the overall team performance wasn't the most rounded. We looked a lot more solid without the ball and Cork had his best game for a while which I suspect isn't a coincidence.

Hendrick's a decent player but you're going to struggle to convince me, and I suspect many others, that he is as effective as Westwood in midfield two.

This isnt about the comparison between Hendrick and Westwood. I've been a big advocate of Westwood for years, right back 18 months beyond when he was a scapegoat for many of our supporters. I don't need anyone to tell me what he offers us, and for what it is worth I agree - I'd pick him in midfield before Hendrick.

Where I'd disagree is the assessment of our relative performance on Saturday compared with the Palace game - and therefore by extension the extent to which Westwood made a decisive difference. We were ineffective as an attacking/possession based unit in both games, and whilst Newcastle created less, they were without their two first choice wide players whereas Palace had Zaha. But as an attacking force if anything we were more toothless than against Palace.

Not a slight on Westwood - like I say, I'm a fan. But the point is that rather than any single individual tipping the balance on Saturday, it was those fine margins dyche talks about going our way - and a higher quality set piece delivery allowing us to capitalise on one if the few attacking opportunities we had.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:45 am

His corners are something else.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:11 pm

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:37 pm
Luckily for us he’s not “Steven Defour injured” either.

Westwood probably our most important player in the last 18 months - along with Dwight.
Only cost £5m too.

True, we’ve prob missed the boat on European players too now seeing as Pepe cost £72m !