Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

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Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by LoveCurryPies » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:23 pm

What’s happened has happened. Normally, politicians resign within hours. However, Jeremy has said he will stay on for several months until a new leader can be found.

Are those on the left of the Labour party trying to organise someone with the same policy in as a replacement?

Should he resign immediately and have a replacement by the New Year?

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:34 pm

I think for the party its better he stays on a little. The last thing they want to do is rush into a new appointment or have some knee jerk reaction to it all.

Whilst the party takes some time to decide its new direction Corbyn will act as a target/sponge for all the hate, criticism, riddicule and all the other post election noise and can soak it up to give whoever comes in next as cleaner start as possible
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Bosscat » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:35 pm

I think Jeremy should stay on he has done a fantastic job ...... :D :D :D
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by tiger76 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:39 pm

It's up to the Labour party members to comment,TBH does it really matter,parliament's only sitting for a couple of days next week and then it's the recess,and the process has already begun to replace him,whether officially or not.

There is far more issues than just the leadership for Labour to attend to,at least they'll have plenty of time in opposition to mull over their strategy.

Because of the unusual timing of this GE though,it means the local election cycle's not that far away,you'd imagine they'd want a successor in by then.

Just having a quick look at the seats up for election,and Labour should perform well as most councils are traditional Labour heartlands,but after the bloodbath last week who knows.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by LoveCurryPies » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:46 pm

Corbyn is going to be facing 365 Conservative MP’s each day....do you think anything he says is going to carry any gravitas or is he going to be an easy target for mockery?

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:51 pm

In the very short term that doesn't matter. Whoever represents Labour in the commons will be an easy target for mockery so let someone take the flak who will be binned soon. Throw someone in too quick and they'll get beaten down before they've started.

Roll on 6 months when the honeymoon period is over and the Tory's are gonna have to deliver on the FTAs and be accountable for the state of the country then thats when the opposition will come in to play

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by IanMcL » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:56 pm

A leader who gas led his troops to their biggest ever defeat, should accept the message and fall on his sword immediately.

Instead, he would rather think it was Brexit not him or maybe his inability to sell the many policies to those who would benefit.

He ponders on. Something he has done throughout his career. That is why he remains a leader without leadership qualities

Time to go f off.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by bobinho » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:03 pm

DA has a very good point.

My main worry is that he will still have enough clout within his own party to affect what happens next. Labour needs to move centre left.... all this socialist ******** is just ********.

Having JC around will undoubtedly affect how the LP moves on. My worry is it won’t. Shame, cos the sitting govt needs strong and effective opposition. I don’t see JC either giving that or sanctioning it from others. His head will still be in the sand, and he absolutely will not change his mind on anything. He won’t even acknowledge the reasons why he lost so heavily in the GE.
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:04 pm

Genuinely what is the rush?

Unless someone calls another election in the next few weeks it doesn’t matter if he goes now or in a few weeks/month.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Claretincraven » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:11 pm

Corbyn isn't the whole problem.
Momentum is.
Unless Labour ditch them then they will remain the party of London and the University towns.
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by IanMcL » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:13 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:04 pm
Genuinely what is the rush?

Unless someone calls another election in the next few weeks it doesn’t matter if he goes now or in a few weeks/month.
He will save humiliation at PMQs. If he faces humiliation, so does the party.

He has nothing to hold on for. He has been rejected.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Bfcboyo » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:13 pm

Immediately and back dated.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by wembley94 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:13 pm

YES...hang your heads[ in shame ] Corbyn and Momentum

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:14 pm

If he doesn't go soon the Labour party might break up. Momentum and the activists have caused the party so much trouble.
Get a centrist MP who has respect of others and get the working class party back together.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:15 pm

Corbyn wants another Left wing leader as he is deluded and cannot believe he lost.

If they put in another left wing leader.
Boris will have at least 10 years as an MP.
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:25 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:13 pm
He will save humiliation at PMQs. If he faces humiliation, so does the party.

He has nothing to hold on for. He has been rejected.

So?

The important thing is getting it right for five years time.
Absolutely no point rushing anything right now.
Take some time, do some research into what went wrong because right now there seems to be a lot of people in the party just making excuses. If they rush into something now they’ll more than likely regret it.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by tiger76 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:27 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:03 pm
DA has a very good point.

My main worry is that he will still have enough clout within his own party to affect what happens next. Labour needs to move centre left.... all this socialist ******** is just ********.

Having JC around will undoubtedly affect how the LP moves on. My worry is it won’t. Shame, cos the sitting govt needs strong and effective opposition. I don’t see JC either giving that or sanctioning it from others. His head will still be in the sand, and he absolutely will not change his mind on anything. He won’t even acknowledge the reasons why he lost so heavily in the GE.
The Conservatives have been in office for nearly 10 years,are hardly universally popular,and yet they gained seats in supposedly solid Labour heartlands,if that isn't enough for Labour to change direction then the country is screwed.

Labour's biggest problem is they don't ditch failing leaders,it was obvious to everyone that once Boris Johnson won the Tory leadership contest he was itching for an early election,and yet Labour dithered over whether to call a VONC,the time to change was in the summer,Corbyn could easily have stepped aside and given his replacement a chance to bed in,his personal ratings were falling like a stone,but his stubborness won out.

For all the people who chuckled at Johnson assuming the Tory mantle,he's been in office less than 5 months,during that time he's got his WA through the HOC,Corbyn is resigning,Nigel Dodds and Jo Swinson have both had the indignity of losing their seats,Oh! and he's also got the small matter of an 80 seat majority,the Conservatives best performance since 1987,even Major and Cameron could only scrape 21 and 12 seat majorities respectively,i'm beginning to think his critics have underestimated Johnson.
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Claretincraven » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:28 pm

If you want a good laugh this evening go to the Momentum Facebook page. Its everyone's fault that Labour imploded......but theirs. Basically they want more of the same. You couldn't make it up.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Bosscat » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:34 pm

Momentum Schmomentum :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by dsr » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:35 pm

If Corbyn resigns immediately, then the Leader of the Opposition will be appointed by the MPs. This gives whoever that is a big head start in the Leadership election.

If he hangs on until the leadership election can be in the hands of the members, then the members will have the full say and the members may well appoint someone like Corbyn. Because whatever he might have said at his constituency speech, Corbyn still reckons that his policies were right and the public was wrong. I doubt that he or his cornies grasp that he wasn't unpopular because of his personality; he was unpopular because of what he stands for.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Inchy » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:38 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:35 pm
I think Jeremy should stay on he has done a fantastic job ...... :D :D :D

Are you a life long Tory?

If so surely you want a strong opposition to ensure your party strives to be better

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by BennyD » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:52 pm

Of course he shouldn’t, he is the best thing that has that has happened to the Tories in years. Just imagine the offspring of that c*nt and Abbott; I doubt it would have enough intelligence to lick a window.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:05 pm

He should be knighted for services to the Tory Party and for truly taking Labour back to become permanent opposition
Yes he should have gone the day the results were announced

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Chobulous » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:06 pm

BennyD wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:52 pm
Of course he shouldn’t, he is the best thing that has that has happened to the Tories in years. Just imagine the offspring of that c*nt and Abbott; I doubt it would have enough intelligence to lick a window.
I reckon Boris made a reasonably good speech yesterday with regards to building bridges.

Brainless, Neanderthal comments like that would not help in the slightest
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by dermotdermot » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:47 pm

He should be gone. He has no honour whatsoever. He is just so deluded and selfish. There is absolutely no purpose in him being there any longer. He will try to stay to ensure that his successor is someone that he approves of which is something he has no right to do. He has overseen the biggest disaster of all time for the Labour Party, yet he cannot see that he is to blame in the same way that he can't see that he is an antisemite, an IRA sympathiser, a friend to so many terrorist factions and a bloodsucking leech who has spent his entire parliamentary career festering away on the backbenches, drawing a considerable amount of money on the pretext that he is a Labour MP. The only way for the Labour Party to survive is to have him removed, along with his horror story of a shadow cabinet, as soon as possible.
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Hozz » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:05 pm

He’s a sixth form, trade union sponsored Marxsist who is so far removed from actually listening and understanding people, it beggars belief.

He ought to do a bit of soul searching, realise his ideology was born out of numerous generations of Russian Tsars/communists/oligarch’s all making wealth on their peasant workers ants. Not something you will ever find in our part of the world fortunately.

Marxism was an experiment that even in its infancy, was flawed, it was unsustainable and I am flabbergasted at the likes of Corbyn and his front bench acolyte’s that are so deluded, probably on a scale that they ought to be sectioned or at least seek therapy before they have the gall to think they have any sort of mandate to represent anyone.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by tiger76 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:25 pm

dermotdermot wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:47 pm
He should be gone. He has no honour whatsoever. He is just so deluded and selfish. There is absolutely no purpose in him being there any longer. He will try to stay to ensure that his successor is someone that he approves of which is something he has no right to do. He has overseen the biggest disaster of all time for the Labour Party, yet he cannot see that he is to blame in the same way that he can't see that he is an antisemite, an IRA sympathiser, a friend to so many terrorist factions and a bloodsucking leech who has spent his entire parliamentary career festering away on the backbenches, drawing a considerable amount of money on the pretext that he is a Labour MP. The only way for the Labour Party to survive is to have him removed, along with his horror story of a shadow cabinet, as soon as possible.
Yes i'm glad you mentioned the shadow cabinet,quite a few of them lost their seats anyway,and the bulk of the remainder are London based,Labour need to look at some of their younger northern MP'S and build from there.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by MT03ALG » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:52 pm

He should have resigned a long time ago

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by IanMcL » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:28 pm

Hozz wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:05 pm
He ought to do a bit of soul searching, realise his ideology was born out of numerous generations of Russian Tsars/communists/oligarch’s all making wealth on their peasant workers ants. Not something you will ever find in our part of the world fortunately.
Sounds more like capitalism to me! Masters and serfs bosses and workers. Rich and poor. Haves and gave nots.

The masses need some more doses of austerity, but painted as though they are doing their bit and reaping the rewards.

Tory manifesto stuff that!

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:36 pm

Just taken a new broadband deal, gutted....

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Wuggawumphwumph » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:47 pm

Jeremy and John should fu[k off and write their memoirs in their second homes

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by SGr » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:56 pm

Yes he should. The socialism experiment has failed I’m afraid. The more Labour distance themselves from the administration that won them 3 successive elections, the easier it becomes for the Tory party.

Back to centrism ASAP.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by KateR » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:19 am

He should stay for a short while, I don’t think it should be months, talk of Easter is ridiculous.

The executives should be working weekends and overtime especially during the Christmas break to select a new leader by end of Jan. Having him and his cronies on the front benches while BJ and 350+ MP,s jeer them will/should be humiliating, he needs to feel some of this but not for months

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by BennyD » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:33 am

Chobulous wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:06 pm
I reckon Boris made a reasonably good speech yesterday with regards to building bridges.

Brainless, Neanderthal comments like that would not help in the slightest
The angler asked if he could have his hook line and sinker back. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by tim_noone » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:47 am

Bfcboyo wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:13 pm
Immediately and back dated.
With pay?

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:58 am

He should go to Lebanon and join Hezbollah, and do something worthwhile in the fight against Nazi Israel.
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:06 am

Why don’t they choose a Tory clone that will work, what about that last guy they chose?

What about Gerry Adams then they at least have some evidence that he is a “real” ira sympathiser :lol:

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Post by SGr » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:45 am

It must be said. The general obsession within Momentum and the likes with Palestine has been as damaging as it is bizarre and unnecessary.

The uncomfortable truth regarding Israel and Palestine is: Who actually cares?

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Cheshire Exile » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:28 am

The obsession with Israel and identifying or stigmatising it as an "apartheid state", when it really isn't, is truly odd.*


When I was at university in the early 80s, all the mad Lefties wore German army surplus combat jackets and keffiyehs, and the same people always turned up on the pro-Republican/IRA marches which were quite prevalent back then, even when IRA terrorist bombing atrocities were quite common.

I was never "political" because my course was too intensive to allow too much messing about, but I did have a couple of mates who were Jewish. They didn't "keep kosher" but they did identify as Jews- one lad had spent a gap year on a kibbutz. They were members of the Jewish Society, however, and one day one of them said "Can you come down to the Union this lunchtime to vote?".

"Why?".

"Because the socialist bloc on the Union Council (or whatever it was termed) are moving a motion to have the Jewish Society banned from campus".

"Why?", I asked, somewhat naively.

"Because of Israel- that's why".

"But- you're not an Israeli- you're Jewish, and not very Jewish when I come to think about it...".

"Makes no difference to them- they effing hate us. To these people it makes no difference".

So I went along, as did quite a few others, and the turnout was so big compared to most of the insane, inane and boring SU meetings they had to reconvene in one of the adjacent theatres and the vote was overwhelmingly defeated in favour of letting the J.S. remain. The keffiyeh-wearing activists weren't happy.

*Yeah, I know. I know most of the arguments already, so let's just agree to differ. I refused to travel to South Africa until apartheid had been dismantled, but went there afterwards, several times. Israel is not perfect by any means, but it isn't the same system or anywhere near, and when their main opponents are the lunatic theocratists of Iran, any kind of moral relativism is otiose I think.
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Rowls » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:47 am

Claretincraven wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:11 pm
Corbyn isn't the whole problem.
Momentum is.
Unless Labour ditch them then they will remain the party of London and the University towns.
Spot on.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Rowls » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:57 am

SGr wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:45 am
It must be said. The general obsession within Momentum and the likes with Palestine has been as damaging as it is bizarre and unnecessary.

The uncomfortable truth regarding Israel and Palestine is: Who actually cares?
Quite right.

I once spent a few hours reading through Burnley newspapers from the late 1980s researching a little project which failed to come to fruition.

Reading those papers was heartbreaking and tragic.

They were full of despair, economic hardship and invitations and advice on how to claim benefits from the local Labour Party.

Amongst this and the usual local newspaper nonsense ("Dog Dirt on High Street is a Disgrace, say Residents", "Cats Cause Nusiance in Park" or "Local Man Stains Carpet") there was a piece which stuck out as not fitting in with anything at all.

It was "Mayor Accepts Petition From Muslim Group". The "local Muslim community" had collected a massive petition -it was in the thousands- and handed it to the Mayor of Burnley who had "politely accepted" it.

What was this pressing local issue for the Mayor of Burnley? It was the "occupation of Palestinian Lands" by Israelis.

It IS a serious issue of course ... I just don't think it was the most pressing issue in Burnley. Particularly in 1988.

Yet to many people, it was.

And they are still obsessing about it and besmirching British politics with it to this day.
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Chobulous » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:22 pm

BennyD wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:33 am
The angler asked if he could have his hook line and sinker back. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Angler my @rse. Reference to “window lickers “ and the use of female genitalia as a pejorative term is brainless and Neanderthal in any context.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by BennyD » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:25 pm

Wow, still biting, you must be really hungry. :) :) :)

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Top Claret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:16 pm

BennyD wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:52 pm
Of course he shouldn’t, he is the best thing that has that has happened to the Tories in years. Just imagine the offspring of that c*nt and Abbott; I doubt it would have enough intelligence to lick a window.

Lets face it the majority of labour supporters don't have the intelligence to lick a window.
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by AndrewJB » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:32 pm

Hozz wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:05 pm
He’s a sixth form, trade union sponsored Marxsist who is so far removed from actually listening and understanding people, it beggars belief.

He ought to do a bit of soul searching, realise his ideology was born out of numerous generations of Russian Tsars/communists/oligarch’s all making wealth on their peasant workers ants. Not something you will ever find in our part of the world fortunately.

Marxism was an experiment that even in its infancy, was flawed, it was unsustainable and I am flabbergasted at the likes of Corbyn and his front bench acolyte’s that are so deluded, probably on a scale that they ought to be sectioned or at least seek therapy before they have the gall to think they have any sort of mandate to represent anyone.
Considering he’s described often by people who know him as being a keen listener to people, I’m curious to know how you arrived at the conclusion he doesn’t listen. But when I take into account you think he was offering up Marxism, I can only guess at the Sun. Another person of the very many conned by the right wing press, Anyone claiming he is a communist, or a terrorist sympathiser, or an anti Semite has swallowed what the media fed them without chewing.

Hilarious that you’re now all peddling the press line that he must leave immediately and dismantle Momentum too! Shame you’re not being paid for it. Does it really matter if he stays on until a successor comes along? Why would supporters of another party care? I can understand why the press want him gone, because he’s owned Johnson so often now at PMQs the ones next week might have to be held in a fridge. But you all think he’ll be humiliated, so what’s the big deal?

DermotDermot talking about honour. You didn’t have a problem with Johnson ducking scrutiny with Andrew Neil, so why do questions of honour (what is dishonourable about holding the fort for a successor?) only apply to a party you don’t support?

The most mendacious smear is that he didn’t provide an effective opposition. Rather that getting your news from the daily mail, look up the voting record and see for yourself. Look up his actual speeches. Labour opposed austerity, privatisation, attacks on worker and environmental rights, johnson’s dog dinner Brexit, and the scrapping of Leveson 2.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:34 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:16 pm
Lets face it the majority of labour supporters don't have the intelligence to lick a window.
I didn't vote for Labour, but sucking up to a the Tories and blowing balloons is equally as sad.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by bfcjg » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:34 pm

One of the most powerful and iconic moments in Labour's history was when Neil Kinnock took on then expelled militant from the labour party, Hatton and all, his comment about a labour council then repeating A LABOUR COUNCIL hiring taxis going around Liverpool making their own workers redundant and basically saying that's what you get when you play politics with their lives, he paved the way for labour to turn moderate and the Blair success was down to in the main to Kinnock ridding the labour party of people who are not really labour people. It would appear that these same people have been allowed to infect and take over much of the party.If they get a powerful leader with the charisma and drive to rid labour of momentum they will become electable,if not they will become an insignificant talking shop paving the way for the Lib Dems to be the only real opposition .

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by BennyD » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:02 pm

Momentum are merely rebels without a clue and they thought they could just force their way into power by attacking anyone who didn’t agree with them. For a while it succeeded and they got bolder and more ambitious. They took a left wing non-entity who had stolen a living on the fringes of politics and decided he was to be their figurehead. He was made their leader whilst all the foaming at the mouth Marxists hid in the shadows waiting for their moment in the sun. Alas, the British public, many of whom had been around in the 70s, knew what came next and decided they didn’t want strikes, unions going on the rampage and general industrial turmoil so they gave them the middle finger. That middle finger will stay there until the f*ckwits in Momentum realise it and disappear back from whence they came. However, it was fun watching Labour get battered from pillar to post last Friday morning and It still is watching McDonnell, et al, twisting in the wind.
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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by Foreverly Claret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:03 pm

Labour Party member here...the answer is YES but it's the grip that Momentum have now which worries me..they are likely to push for another no-hoper giving the Press another field day.

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Re: Corbyn....should he resign immediately?

Post by tiger76 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:35 pm

Momentum imposed candidate=years in opposition,but given the hold they now have over the NEC,and the radical nature of Labour's membership,i'm not sure how the moderates wrestle control back.

It might even lead to a breakaway party,because i can't see the centrists having another unelectable loony left leader,well they stew in opposition for the next 5 years.

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