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Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:04 pm

He really is a pugnacious ****!

His post-match interview had it all... whinge, moan, gripe, bleat, gonna cry in a minute...

Matt LeTissier had him weighed up. "I'd watched the same game and didn't see anything wrong."

I love it when Bruce loses. He's such a belligerent jerk! :lol:
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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by claretspice » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:11 pm

Don't mind Bruce, but his team were a bit of a disgrace today.

First we had Joelinton doing his best to deliberately and maliciously injure Tarks, and then we had their entire team choosing to play on when Pieters was clearly injured - despite Burnley having put the ball out in almost identical circumstances when Willems went down.

Team with very little class, it appeared - and real needle in the game appeared to be provoked by Newcastle in those incidents.

As for the corner from which we scored - it wasn't a corner, and it was a foul. Still, they should have defended it better.

Got away with a few decisions themseslves - most obviously when Pieters was blatently shoved over a yard in front of the linesman. Difference was that Gayle couldn't finish, whereas we did capitalise.
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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:22 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:11 pm
Difference was that Gayle couldn't finish, whereas we did capitalise.
Would have been interesting if Gayle had scored tbh because there was a clear foul in the build up so it should have been chalked off by VAR. A foul not disimilar to the one Bruce is bleating on about to boot.

Really bugs me when managers bang on about decisions in a previous phase of play....they need to defend the corner and their defence and keeper were hopeless on that...

They deserved what they got from a game where they have failed to hit the target...nothing

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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:53 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:11 pm
Don't mind Bruce, but his team were a bit of a disgrace today.

First we had Joelinton doing his best to deliberately and maliciously injure Tarks, and then we had their entire team choosing to play on when Pieters was clearly injured - despite Burnley having put the ball out in almost identical circumstances when Willems went down.

Team with very little class, it appeared - and real needle in the game appeared to be provoked by Newcastle in those incidents.

As for the corner from which we scored - it wasn't a corner, and it was a foul. Still, they should have defended it better.

Got away with a few decisions themseslves - most obviously when Pieters was blatently shoved over a yard in front of the linesman. Difference was that Gayle couldn't finish, whereas we did capitalise.
The Pieters one when Gayle missed definitely wasn't a fouk. We shouted for it part of the pantomime. But was a shoulder to shoulder.

As for Bruce. Don't mind him. Doing a good job and shows that Benitez wasn't the saviour they thought he was.

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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by martin_p » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:57 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:53 pm
The Pieters one when Gayle missed definitely wasn't a fouk. We shouted for it part of the pantomime. But was a shoulder to shoulder.

As for Bruce. Don't mind him. Doing a good job and shows that Benitez wasn't the saviour they thought he was.
How could it be shoulder to shoulder, Pieters was ahead of Gayle. If Gayle used his shoulder it was in Pieters back and therefore a foul.
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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:05 am

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:11 pm


As for the corner from which we scored - it wasn't a corner, and it was a foul. Still, they should have defended it better.
Nearly always agree with you, but replays show that you're clearly wrong about the corner, - it definitely was a corner, and whilst you might argue the foul, even Shearer on MOTD said it was NO foul.
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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:07 am

I didn't think the Pieters one was a foul either

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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by dsr » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:11 am

Didn't look like a foul to me before Gayle missed, and if it was, I'm all but sure VAR wouldn't overturn the ref's decision. Two players went towards the ball, and when they were both (quite reasonably) trying to occupy the same spot, one man went down like a pack of cards while the other battled on for the ball. Pieters fell over because he wanted a cheap free kick and couldn't be bothered battling. Not a foul.

As for Bruce, it's one thing to whinge because he thought it was a foul before the corner. Fair enough on that. We don't have to agree, but it's a fair claim to make. But whingeing because the referee allowed the lineman to correct his decision - that makes Bruce look stupid. The ball was clearly last touched by the defender, so for Bruce to argue that the referee should have stood by his wrong decision and not allowed the lineman to get it right - that's nonsense. (Especially for a man who a few years back was arguing that technology should be used for every decision because his side let a goal in from a wrongly awarded throw in. Not at Burnley, that time.)

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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by Elizabeth » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:19 am

Gayle is quite a player then martin

Fouling Pieters to get the ball, then crossing it into the middle for himself to then be on the end of the cross to shoot on goal.

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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by martin_p » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:30 am

Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:19 am
Gayle is quite a player then martin

Fouling Pieters to get the ball, then crossing it into the middle for himself to then be on the end of the cross to shoot on goal.
Ok, Joelinton.

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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by tim_noone » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:34 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:05 am
Nearly always agree with you, but replays show that you're clearly wrong about the corner, - it definitely was a corner, and whilst you might argue the foul, even Shearer on MOTD said it was NO foul.
I think his post is quoting Bruce.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:55 am

martin_p wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:57 pm
How could it be shoulder to shoulder, Pieters was ahead of Gayle. If Gayle used his shoulder it was in Pieters back and therefore a foul.
He was nowhere near Gayle. It was Joelinton!

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Post by martin_p » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:59 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:55 am
He was nowhere near Gayle. It was Joelinton!
Someone’s already done that. Just seen another angle on the Sky highlights, definitely a push in the back on Pieters by Joelinton.

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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:59 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:05 am
Nearly always agree with you, but replays show that you're clearly wrong about the corner, - it definitely was a corner, and whilst you might argue the foul, even Shearer on MOTD said it was NO foul.
Not to mention the ludicrous decision by VAR not to give us a penalty.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:02 am

Never seen a foul
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Post by agreenwood » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:38 am

I didn’t think it was a foul by Wood. The Newcastle player was looking for contact and went down too easily.
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Post by martin_p » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:04 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:02 am
Never seen a foul
Clearest shove in the back you’ll ever see.
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Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:19 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:02 am
Never seen a foul
Not a foul lol. Of course it’s a clear shove. Definite foul.
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Post by TVC15 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:25 am

Some very weird views in here.
Newcastle defender was not pushed - he was trying to usher the ball out and then fell over and landed on the ball and gave away the corner.
Pieters got in front of his man and was very clearly pushed.

If anybody wants to post a link showing any of these things did not happen feel free.
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Post by wilks_bfc » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:25 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:02 am
Never seen a foul

That 3second juddering gif is really backs up your case
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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by bobinho » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:28 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:53 pm
The Pieters one when Gayle missed definitely wasn't a fouk. We shouted for it part of the pantomime. But was a shoulder to shoulder.

As for Bruce. Don't mind him. Doing a good job and shows that Benitez wasn't the saviour they thought he was.
Agree Bruce is doing a better job than the geordies thought he would. They must be spewing now he’s proving them wrong... weren’t great today mind.

And it was most certainly a foul. Nowt to do with pantomime. Shoulder to shoulder is all well and good, and the strength and balance of the superior athlete wins the day. But that was a barge in the back, and a foul all day long.

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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by bobinho » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:30 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:55 am
He was nowhere near Gayle. It was Joelinton!
His argument remains...

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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by bfcjg » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:15 am

Can you imagine being as ugly as Steve Bruce and having that bulbous bag of pus staring back at you when you looked in the mirror ? Not surprised he gets tetchy.

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Post by ClaretMov » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:17 am

What was clear from the start was that Bruce had told them from the start to target our centre backs, Tarks and Mee got battered a few times because they knew Gibson didn't make the bench and we had no back up centre back to bring on.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:22 am

If thats a foul the games phooked.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:30 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:22 am
If thats a foul the games phooked.
:lol: A shove in the back has always been a foul. And your clip proves it was even clearer than I thought at the time.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:33 am

The gif probably doesnt do it justice.

Watch the incident on video. Pieters didnt want it. Joelinton did . Pieters wanted to go down easy again. Im a big fan of Pieters but he was weak in both cases.

You can see it proper at the link.

https://youtu.be/bPenjSUyHf0

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:36 am

19:30 into video.

Some effort to shove someone from behind when youre alightly ahead and aside of them
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Re: Best thing today - Whinging Bruce

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:37 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:33 am
The gif probably doesnt do it justice.

Watch the incident on video. Pieters didnt want it. Joelinton did . Pieters wanted to go down easy again. Im a big fan of Pieters but he was weak in both cases.

You can see it proper at the link.

https://youtu.be/bPenjSUyHf0
Let it go....I’m sorry but most people will think that’s a foul. Pieters is in front of the man and gets shoved. He may be shoved by the shoulder but a shoulder charge is shoulder to shoulder and not shoulder in the back...as this was. It’s more obvious from the other side and not from the cricket field angle...probably why the lino did nothing

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Post by TVC15 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:41 am

All that clip proves that it’s even more of a foul than I first thought - as far as I’m aware the shoulder barge has not been allowed for quite a few decades now !
Given that the slightest of contact is now deemed a foul by many referees how can blatantly shoving someone off the ball be not given ?
The ref and linesman both bottled it because of the abuse Bruce and his team had given out over the goal - that’s how it works - they put doubt in the officials mind who when they are weak or inexperienced decide things might even themselves out

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:44 am

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:37 am
Pieters is in front of the man and gets shoved.
Evidently not
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Post by TVC15 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:03 am

Are you still pis-sed CC ?
That still was after he had been pushed

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Post by Spike » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:03 am

The fourth official stole a wage yesterday! How many times was Bruce on the pitch?
He was totally out of order slagging ref and should be fined
Newcastle’s tactics can only be described as Nasty

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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:17 am

claretspice wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:11 pm
As for the corner from which we scored - it wasn't a corner, and it was a foul. Still, they should have defended it better.
We can debate the foul which would have been very soft if given, but it was never, ever a goal kick.
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Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:24 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:17 am
We can debate the foul which would have been very soft if given, but it was never, ever a goal kick.
True, however, in this day and age, looking at how players place the ball for corners and goal kicks, was the whole of the ball over the whole of the line?
MOTD pictures were not conclusive ---not that I am complaining. I didn't think that it was a foul, it was just Fernandez doing what he had done on a few other occasions when he had felt the slightest contact ---it didn't work this time!

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Post by HieronymousBoschHobs » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:16 pm

When I saw it last night it seemed like the ball was still in play, he fell on top of it and his chest rolled it over the line - so, Newcastle player had the last touch and it was either a corner or a foul.

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Post by TVC15 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:35 pm

It was irrefutably over the line and it was not a foul - corner was the correct decision.
Bruce is a typical ex United referee bully - it’s in their DNA to act like this and try and intimidate referees. The guff he came out with after the game about the new referee and it being too much for him was a disgrace.
Hardly surprising though given he was managed by SAF all those years.
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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:25 pm

Corner was the only decision. There was no foul and Fernández sort of rolled the ball over the line.

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Post by Hipper » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:27 pm

If Bruce had a young player making his debut who didn't do so well, would he slag him off in public after the game? I doubt it. Then why is it fair to do the same to the referee?

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:32 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:03 am
Are you still pis-sed CC ?
That still was after he had been pushed
:lol: :lol: :lol: evidently not

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:33 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:25 pm
Corner was the only decision. There was no foul and Fernández sort of rolled the ball over the line.
Definitely no foul. Although if Joelinton on Pieters was then Woods was a red card offence!

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:40 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

Someone is starting to look like a female sports pundit......every time you look there they are

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