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Kicking the ball out

Post by Leisure » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:38 pm

when an opponent is down 'injured'. Why do we do this? Pieters today, Lennon the other week.

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by tim_noone » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:40 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:38 pm
when an opponent is down 'injured'. Why do we do this? Pieters today, Lennon the other week.
Were gentlemen...

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:41 pm

I don’t know. It’s stupid. But today the referee stopped play himself in the first half for a Newcastle injury when we had possession on the halfway line and then decided not to bother when Pieters was down and Newcastle had the ball at the halfway line. Shocking inconsistency.
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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:42 pm

I agree Liesure. Yet when other teams want the same we seem to have a different opinion. Did Pieters appear to have a head injury? I didn’t think so.

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:51 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:38 pm
when an opponent is down 'injured'. Why do we do this? Pieters today, Lennon the other week.
Absolutely naïve and then to top it off when we moaned that they didn't put it out for us, Pope did his best to throw one in and Bardsley didn't put it out to get it back!

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:51 pm

There was a team last year that wrote to all the other clubs to let them know that they wouldn’t be putting the ball out for injuries.

Makes a lot of sense. However I’d like to see a rule that if the game has to stop for an injury, the physio has to come on and then the player will have the pitch.

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by SGr » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:52 pm

Aye. Really wound me up. Play to the whistle, end of
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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by dsr » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:18 am

Both today and against Man City last week, the player was clearly faking it.

Mind you, I'd have expected Pieters to make some attempt to get to his feet when he was hurt. I can't imagine an injury that makes you unable to move for as long as Pieters was down, and yet still be able to play on afterwards. What with that and the attempt to win a free kick rather than the ball when Gayle missed the chance at the end, I wasn't impressed with him today.
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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by Bullabill » Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:50 am

......... is just plain silly. There are so many cheats playing the game now you could never be sure 'injuries' are genuine. 'Gentlemanly conduct' was once meritorious and to be admired - nowadays it's seen as naieve and to be taken advantage of.
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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by NottsClaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:33 am

Entirely our fault today. We should have played on, then lost concentration when Newcastle showed us what you’re actually supposed to do, ie. keep playing until the ref stops you.

Weird crowd reaction too, nobody to get angry at except ourselves. Hopefully we learn from it.

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by box_of_frogs » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:50 am

Perhaps our players should stop pretending they’re injured?

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:55 am

NottsClaret wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:33 am
Entirely our fault today. We should have played on, then lost concentration when Newcastle showed us what you’re actually supposed to do, ie. keep playing until the ref stops you.

Weird crowd reaction too, nobody to get angry at except ourselves. Hopefully we learn from it.
Weird crowd reaction?

It was fabulous. You can't beat Turf Moor when it's angry over a refs decision. By God it's the only thing that wakes most of them up.

Who cares they were right to play on.
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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by jojomk1 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:58 am

The rule is there so play to it - and that should be refs as well as players

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:22 am

It's a really, really difficult and at times controversial area and it really could do with "officially" clearing up. Players tend to put the ball out when an opposition player is down because they believe it's the "gentlemanly" thing to do AND because they believe it will be reciprocated if they or one of their team is down. However this is clearly open to exploitation and frequently is, as players often stay down and feign injury to get the ball put out simply because they're caught out of position or want to hold up play. The team putting the ball out almost seem to accept this exploitation as part and parcel of the game, but it absolutely infuriates fans and it's about time it stopped because 99.9% of the time it really isn't necessary and said injured player is up and running immediately after some attention. There should be some kind of directive about it imo, so everyone knows where they stand.
On what specifically happened yesterday, Bardsley, for all his vast experience clearly isn't very bright!! Having put the ball needlessly out for their diving player pretending to be hurt in the first half, he then failed to put the ball out after Newcastle had driven a coach and horses through the gentleman's agreement by continuing to play for 5 minutes whilst Pieters was prostrate, which then made all the crowd's indignant protestations look a bit daft!
And whilst on the subject of Pieters, I'm another who can't wait for Taylor to return as this guy really is a weak link, BUT he was clearly pushed when Gayle missed that sitter and the goal would have been a travesty.

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by beddie » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:06 am

Didn't Bardsley kick it out in one incident near the dug outs on instruction if the ref?

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by mdd2 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:11 am

Rarely will a player roll around with a serious injury so if they do they are likely milking of even faking injury, Been happening for years. Even in the 1953 cup final from memory

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by Sproggy » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:00 am

Nowt wrong with Pieters, Newcastle had every right to play on.

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by bfccrazy » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:12 am

The City game really frustrates me, think it was De Bruyne who went down and Sterling fought for the ball a couple of times and couldn’t get it under control and then asked us to put it out of play which we did.

Their first goal, I’m pretty sure they had a player down themselves and just carried on playing instead of kicking it out.

I think we just go down the route of never kicking the ball out unless the ref blows for it and whatever happens, happens. At least there will be a consistency and our players, fans and opposition will know what is going to happen.

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:35 am

bfccrazy wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:12 am
The City game really frustrates me, think it was De Bruyne who went down and Sterling fought for the ball a couple of times and couldn’t get it under control and then asked us to put it out of play which we did.

Their first goal, I’m pretty sure they had a player down themselves and just carried on playing instead of kicking it out.

I think we just go down the route of never kicking the ball out unless the ref blows for it and whatever happens, happens. At least there will be a consistency and our players, fans and opposition will know what is going to happen.
That’s what should happen. If the ref thinks the injury is severe then he will stop play and restart with a drop ball to the team in possession. Inexplicably he did this in the first half yesterday when a Newcastle player was injured but then decided to treat Pieters’ injury differently.

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by Top Claret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:00 am

You should always play to the whistle. I went ballistic when Bardsley kicked the ball out

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by SalisburyClaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:04 pm

When Bruce is using it as a deliberate tactic to break up play then he can’t complain should one of his players suffer a serious injury

I agree there should be a clear ruling on this

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by Claret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:29 pm

Stick to the rules. No player should be treated on the field unless he is too seriously injured to be moved. For slight injuries, the player leaves the field if he wants treatment. The game is NOT stopped unless there is a natural break in play, and then its only to check on the severity of the injury or to tell the player to bugger off. If the ref thinks it's a serious injury then he can stop play immediately. But again, the player should NOT be treated on the pitch (obvious exceptions apart).
I do not like this nonsense of putting the ball out for players feigning injury nor even allowing players to be treated on field.

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:46 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:35 am
That’s what should happen. If the ref thinks the injury is severe then he will stop play and restart with a drop ball to the team in possession. Inexplicably he did this in the first half yesterday when a Newcastle player was injured but then decided to treat Pieters’ injury differently.
We put it out like usual! We are for too nice and naïve!

The biggest thing that annoys me about the modern game. All teams, us included are guilty of diving and feigning injury (see Pieters twice yesterday and Barnes most weeks). You guarantee that almost every time a player goes down he will be up and fine once the whistle has blown and the attack broke up or possession regained.

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by Mondsley » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:04 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:00 am
You should always play to the whistle. I went ballistic when Bardsley kicked the ball out
So did Ben Mee!

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Re: Kicking the ball out

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:08 pm

He should have put it out earlier in the move. When he did put it out it looked like he did it because he was under pressure, not for sportsmanship.

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