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Sheff utd.

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:11 pm

No axe to grind with sheff utd, but I think their bubble is about to burst very soon, not just the next few tough fixtures, but because they look like a a team that will quite easily fall apart with a couple of bad results.
They seem to be everyones favourite other team right now.
Wilder is a decent enough bloke too, but I don't see them maintaining this form much longer.

They get treated a bit like we do by the media too, almost as if a playful pat on the head is due by the know it all pundits.
Much prefer to see them do well than the massively overrated London teams, but my opinion is they will fade away quite soon.

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Post by damo_whitehead » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:13 pm

As much as I would like to agree with you from our own selfish point of view, I personally can't see it. Wilder has proven a few times this season he knows how to switch his tactics mid game and yesterday was another result of that. I expect them to drop off, but not too considerably to drag them into a relegation battle. But like I said at the start, I really hope they do!

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:13 pm

Not a chance their bubble will burst.

They play brilliant football and that gets them the wins.

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Post by ElectroClaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:19 pm

Wilder's a savvy manager, I think he'll see em right.
They may hit a bad patch through injury/suspensions,
but otherwise, out of the three that came up, I think they
have the best chance of staying up.

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:19 pm

It’s their system that has troubled teams and congrats to Wilder for coming up with it.
Next season will be far more difficult for them, unless they buy a goal-scoring striker.

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Post by FCBurnley » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:21 pm

They will be fine. Be happy to finish 1 place below them

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:23 pm

Will survive despite all predictions

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:23 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:19 pm
It’s their system that has troubled teams and congrats to Wilder for coming up with it.
Next season will be far more difficult for them, unless they buy a goal-scoring striker.
Their system is to play football and pass the ball. They have shown that it's nothing to do with money, as was shown with their board not much richer than us. They just sign players who can control a football.
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Post by jurek » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:23 pm

I think Sheffield United are the team of the season so far and, even if they
drop off a little, will I believe, end up in the top ten if not higher.
They know how to defend (conceded 16 goals so far) and have done extremely well away from home.
They also play reasonably attractive football too.

They've 'out-Burnleyed' us and we got hammered at their place.

Not sure how much they spent in the summer but can't recall any huge fees.

Hats off to them.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:25 pm

Sean Dyche has done a brilliant job for us, but like it or not, Chris Wilder has done better.
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Post by damo_whitehead » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:29 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:25 pm
Sean Dyche has done a brilliant job for us, but like it or not, Chris Wilder has done better.
You can't possibly say that after just 17 games of a season!? When he has secured safety, got them into Europe and continue to compete in the Premier League I will agree with you
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Post by tiger76 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:30 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:19 pm
It’s their system that has troubled teams and congrats to Wilder for coming up with it.
Next season will be far more difficult for them, unless they buy a goal-scoring striker.
2nd season syndrome could be a problem,Huddersfield confounded the critics in their debut campaign,and then the wheels came off,the bigger :?: is can they keep hold of Wilder in the longer term.

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Post by Funkydrummer » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:32 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:25 pm
Sean Dyche has done a brilliant job for us, but like it or not, Chris Wilder has done better.
To be fair, he's only been here 5 minutes and not really proved anything yet.
If he continues as he is doing then the vultures will be circling in no time at all and he'll be gone.

That's the sad state of affairs in this league I'm afraid.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:32 pm

damo_whitehead wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:29 pm
You can't possibly say that after just 17 games of a season!? When he has secured safety, got them into Europe and continue to compete in the Premier League I will agree with you
I just have.

I've followed their results and how what he's done with them. It's been nothing short of brilliant.

It's not just this season at all. He's done a brilliant job.

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Post by taio » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:33 pm

Wilder is doing really well but has yet to achieve what Dyche has.
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Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:34 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:32 pm
I just have.

I've followed their results and how what he's done with them. It's been nothing short of brilliant.

It's not just this season at all. He's done a brilliant job.

I agree, he’s taken them from league 1 without spending

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:34 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:25 pm
Sean Dyche has done a brilliant job for us, but like it or not, Chris Wilder has done better.
Rubbish.

There’s nothing to say they will finish above the 7th place we have already reached. When he has kept them in the prem for 4 seasons we can review it again. They haven’t played everyone once yet for a start.....

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:35 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:33 pm
Wilder is doing really well but has yet to achieve what Dyche has.
When you look at what he's done you'll have a different view.

It's not at all just about this season.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:35 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:34 pm
Rubbish.

There’s nothing to say they will finish above the 7th place we have already reached. When he has kept them in the prem for 4 seasons we can review it again. They haven’t played everyone once yet for a start.....
That's a rubbish opinion.

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Post by taio » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:36 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:35 pm
When you look at what he's done you'll have a different view.

It's not at all just about this season.
I know what he's done. He hasn't yet achieved what Dyche has.

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Post by damo_whitehead » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:37 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:32 pm
I just have.

I've followed their results and how what he's done with them. It's been nothing short of brilliant.

It's not just this season at all. He's done a brilliant job.
I have also followed his results, I agree he is a very good manager and done a very good job. But it is incomparable to the achievements of Dyche. The top flight is the elite, that is where you prove your management worth, he has managed 17 games so far. Dyche went 23 unbeaten in the Championship and won it, a better achievement than Wilder has done in lower leagues IMO

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:40 pm

Wilder admitted it himself when we played them. He said he looks to what Burnley have achieved....so probably best to take opinions from the Horses mouth rather than it’s backside
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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:41 pm

damo_whitehead wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:37 pm
I have also followed his results, I agree he is a very good manager and done a very good job. But it is incomparable to the achievements of Dyche. The top flight is the elite, that is where you prove your management worth, he has managed 17 games so far. Dyche went 23 unbeaten in the Championship and won it, a better achievement than Wilder has done in lower leagues IMO
I know what you're saying, I just think he's been brilliant and is showing he's such a good manager and can counter any other manager.

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:41 pm

Im not talking about second season syndrome, I meant their wheels will start falling off now.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:43 pm

I think they may hit a bad run but they have done so well so quickly that they probably only need three more wins to stay up! That will still be their first aim.

Clearly have hard working players and a great team spirit. I thought when he slated the keeper after the Liverpool goal it was dreadful management. With hindsight just shows that he has very high standards and expectations and they have gone from strength to strength since then.

TBH Hope they stay up. Not at our expense. But because the more teams like them and us the better for me.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:43 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:40 pm
Wilder admitted it himself when we played them. He said he looks to what Burnley have achieved....so probably best to take opinions from the Horses mouth rather than it’s backside
God you're an annoying person.

He was quite clearly being polite. He even said we beat them because they had an off day for crying out loud.

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:44 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:41 pm
I know what you're saying, I just think he's been brilliant and is showing he's such a good manager and can counter any other manager.
Apart from Bruce and Hassenhuttel it seems....

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:45 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:43 pm
God you're an annoying person.

He was quite clearly being polite. He even said we beat them because they had an off day for crying out loud.
And you’re the angel Gabriel....he said it before the match from memory

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:45 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:44 pm
Apart from Bruce and Hassenhuttel it seems....
Go to bed please.

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Post by Funkydrummer » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:45 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:41 pm
I know what you're saying, I just think he's been brilliant and is showing he's such a good manager and can counter any other manager.
The proof of the pudding will be if he can counter other managers in the second round of games when
they will have worked him out to some degree.

Don't get me wrong, I hope he does it, but for me, the jury's out.

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Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:46 pm

I wish them well because they have a manager and a philosophy very similar to ours.

Yes, they beat us at Bramall Lane, however, Jay Rod should have had a penalty before they had scored and you can never tell what effect that would have had on the game. We struggled to get any decisions from the ref that day and even the two friends who I was sat with, both Blades fans, said that they had had the rub of the green. It happens and we have similar days so no complaints.
Good luck to them.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:48 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:35 pm
When you look at what he's done you'll have a different view.

It's not at all just about this season.
And neither is it with Dyche. Wilder has done brilliantly but he’s still a long way behind Dyche in terms of what he’s achieved.
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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:48 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:45 pm
The proof of the pudding will be if he can counter other managers in the second round of games when
they will have worked him out to some degree.

Don't get me wrong, I hope he does it, but for me, the jury's out.
They were unlucky to lose to Liverpool and beat Arsenal. They did that with tactics.

Don't get me wrong, Dyche has done a brilliant job for us, I just think he's better.

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:50 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:48 pm
They were unlucky to lose to Liverpool and beat Arsenal. They did that with tactics.

Don't get me wrong, Dyche has done a brilliant job for us, I just think he's better.
They lost to a team that have lost nine nil this season....how were the tactics that day

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:51 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:50 pm
They lost to a team that have lost nine nil this season....
Blimey, if we go with that one, I'm sure we'll be the champions of Europe.

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Post by Funkydrummer » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:57 pm

He's not your dad is he Frank ? :lol:

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:59 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:57 pm
He's not your dad is he Frank ? :lol:
Next door neighbour.

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Post by SalisburyClaret » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:16 pm

Flood the midfield, flood the defence, attack in numbers. Be fitter than any other team

Rocket science to the foreign managers

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Post by tim_noone » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:02 pm

DYCHE....

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:22 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:23 pm
Their system is to play football and pass the ball. They have shown that it's nothing to do with money, as was shown with their board not much richer than us. They just sign players who can control a football.
It’s almost like the Dutch total football scheme. Except SU star with 3 CHs and they are all encouraged to bring the ball out and if they see the chance follow the move through to the other box. They cover as they still have 2 CHs and the MF drops in where needed.
This is what I’ve been crying out for to get Gibson into the side. Because we went away from 4-4-2 and it flopped I can’t see it happening.

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Post by Bosscat » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:45 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:21 pm
They will be fine. Be happy to finish 1 place below them
Not if they are 17th :(
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Post by jrgbfc » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:28 am

Wilder has taken them from struggling in League One as well. Dyche inherited a pretty good Chsmpionship squad from Eddie Howe, he just added to it and made us organised. For what it's worth I think they'll stay up comfortably.

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Post by kaptin1 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:43 am

I think Wilder has done a great job but the key will be whether he can get them back on track when they inevitably have a poor run of results and lose a bit of confidence. One thing Dyche has demonstrated is that he can pick his team back up when they are down.

I also recall that Blackpool had an amazing first half to their Premier League campaign and entered the new year with something Like 27/28 points, yet still got relegated. I very much doubt Sheff U will suffer the same fate but I’d be amazed if they can maintain their current form.

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Post by Buxtonclaret » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:00 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:25 pm
Sean Dyche has done a brilliant job for us, but like it or not, Chris Wilder has done better.
He's done a cracking job for them, Frank.
But he's a fair way to go for anyone to claim he's done a better job than Sean.

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:11 am

If Sheff Utd stay up this season then Wilder will have done better at Sheff Utd in his first 4 years than Dyche did at Burnley in his first 4 years (which in itself is amazing)

Dyche consolidated, took us up, took us down and then took us back up and we'd gone from being an average Championship team to a struggling Premier League team.

In the same period Wilder will have taken Sheff Utd from the lower leagues into the Premier League and kept them up at is first attempt which is clearly a better record than Dyche.

The challenge is the next 4 years as Dyche has miraculously established us as a Premier League team, finished 7th and took us in to Europe and even when we had a real dip and looked odds on for going down he showed his brilliance to turn it around.

Can Wilder continue to keep a club like Sheff Utd in the top league and do something special like a Europe or a cup final as I think what stands Dyche out is the consistency and longevity of his success with us and that will be hard for any manager to match
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Post by houseboy » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:23 am

I have always liked Sheffield United and it's good to see a genuinely big club being where they are. They have underperformed for too many years.

As for the arguments on here about Wilder and Dyche, it's all pretty pointless, they've both done great jobs for their clubs and that is all that matters. There is no reason to assume that Wilder can't 'do a Dyche' because Sheff Utd have far more potential than us by a mile. Whose to say they can't one day become one of the 'elite'? Leicester are a long way down that route now. A PL win under their belts and at the moment they look odds on for a runners-up spot. Who'd have thought that a few years ago?

The PL is starting to open up bit recently and that can only be a good thing. Even though Liverpool have long been considered one of the big six their (soon to be) PL win will put another new name on the trophy. Long may the trend continue - the sooner the grip on it by the 'elite' is lossened the better.
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