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Ancelotti

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:03 pm

Looks like he’s in at Everton. Ferguson in charge for cup match then they have gooners at home followed by us.
Makes it tougher but we will overcome.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by ecc » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:25 pm

Didn't see that one coming. Don't know who will end up at Arsenal but they need someone in swiftish.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:30 pm

Real statement of intent from Everton. If they back him they could really compete.

The fans will want him out by easter. Like Allardyce, Koeman, Martinez, Moyes and every other decent manager theyve had.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by tim_noone » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:33 pm

Can't think why they didn't go for Sean ..I really can't ...

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by Bigvince » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:36 pm

ecc wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:25 pm
Didn't see that one coming. Don't know who will end up at Arsenal but they need someone in swiftish.
Apparently Arteta is lined up for the gunners

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by bfcjg » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:18 pm

Big names don't guarantee success look at West Ham etc.
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Re: Ancelotti

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:19 pm

All the mention of Ancelotti on TV is of the manager who goes into clubs with ready made squads which is not what he'll be taking on at Everton

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:24 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:33 pm
Can't think why they didn't go for Sean ..I really can't ...
Because his football is dreadful to watch most of the time. Fans of bigger clubs wouldn't put up with it.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by bobinho » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:29 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:24 pm
Because his football is dreadful to watch most of the time. Fans of bigger clubs wouldn't put up with it.
Fans of bigger clubs have the luxury of better players. That’s how you play better football.

May I suggest Manchester City for you at the weekend?
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Re: Ancelotti

Post by tim_noone » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:31 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:24 pm
Because his football is dreadful to watch most of the time. Fans of bigger clubs wouldn't put up with it.
They put up with silva long enough.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by Bosscat » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:31 pm

:o
Bigvince wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:36 pm
Apparently Arteta is lined up for the gunners
:shock: :shock: :shock:
A Firing Squad
:shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by ecc » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:43 am

:)

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by houseboy » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:26 am

Bosscat wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:31 pm
:o
:shock: :shock: :shock:
A Firing Squad
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Shot at dawn? That's bad because he hasn't even started the job yet.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:06 pm

Good for him - not often that a successful foreign manager wants to join for a relegation scrap.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:23 pm

bobinho wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:29 pm
Fans of bigger clubs have the luxury of better players. That’s how you play better football.

May I suggest Manchester City for you at the weekend?
Style of football is a choice.

Brighton are playing wonderful football at the moment.

Sheffield United are playing high energy, lots of movement football.

Dyche wouldn't be able to play City style of play if he inherited players as good as them. Managers have to so focused and single minded, believe in their way to succeed.
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Re: Ancelotti

Post by Row Z » Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:04 pm

It's an interesting concept the whole "style of play" debate... Dyche has maintained he likes to mix it up in favour of getting results, however given how long he has been at the club, surely he has had time to mould the team into the style that he really wants to play in? I appreciate the restrictions of finance, but I don't buy that we could not have picked up some decent ball players.

We rarely see the team keep the ball on the floor, however when we have done, especially in our successful Championship promotion seasons, we have actually looked a decent footballing side.

Dyche has regularly questioned the approach of playing great football if the results don't follow, but as Sheff Utd have shown, by being on the front foot and playing aggressively, it can often hurt teams more than keeping it tight and trying to nick a goal (plus it is far more entertaining).

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:11 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:23 pm
Dyche wouldn't be able to play City style of play if he inherited players as good as them.
Why not? The two promotions he earned us we played some wonderful football and scored loads of goals. Or have you already forgotten Ings, Vokes and Gray?
He goes with what he has got and very successfully. His remit is to keep us in the PL. we are playing clubs with benches of higher value than our team on the pitch and picking up points consistently.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:39 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:11 pm
Why not? The two promotions he earned us we played some wonderful football and scored loads of goals. Or have you already forgotten Ings, Vokes and Gray?
He goes with what he has got and very successfully. His remit is to keep us in the PL. we are playing clubs with benches of higher value than our team on the pitch and picking up points consistently.
I remember the goals and I've always admired Dyche for getting the team so clinical but I can't ever remember the wonderful football played.
We play decent football at times no doubt, but I can't ever remember being classed as a footballing side while he's been here.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:11 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:11 pm
Why not? The two promotions he earned us we played some wonderful football and scored loads of goals. Or have you already forgotten Ings, Vokes and Gray?
He goes with what he has got and very successfully. His remit is to keep us in the PL. we are playing clubs with benches of higher value than our team on the pitch and picking up points consistently.
It's also important to mention that the flare was already here when dyche arrived, that has steadily been replaced by workhorses with limitations, and as a result our play is very one dimensional. No doubting he got the side playing some good football, which makes it more baffling as to why he doesn't sign more flare.

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Post by FactualFrank » Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:49 pm

Sky Sports must have been desperate for news earlier. They kept putting on the best 11 that Ancelotti has managed.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by claretblue » Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:01 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:39 pm
but I can't ever remember being classed as a footballing side while he's been here.
1st halves against Forest at home + Brentford away were superb from Burnley...I mean Sean Dyches Burnley! ;)

UTC
:D

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:10 pm

claretblue wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:01 pm
1st halves against Forest at home + Brentford away were superb from Burnley...I mean Sean Dyches Burnley! ;)

UTC
:D
So you can only think of two halves of football in his six year stint? I think there's been a lot more.

Even the Wimbledon crazy gang would have had more.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by dougcollins » Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:23 pm

They wanted a 'Hollywood' appointment.

I think David Hasselhoff is available.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by superdimitri » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:35 pm

Why do we always seem to be one of the first teams to play when teams get a new manager?

Is it; A. We are considered an attractive fixture for clubs to get a good result so they change their manager in time(likely).
or
B. Manager changes are so common it just happens a lot due to high turnaround (perhaps more likely given the previous turnover records).

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by Nonayforever » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:41 pm

Being touted amongst the 3 highest paid managers in Europe.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by tiger76 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:44 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:41 pm
Being touted amongst the 3 highest paid managers in Europe.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by TVC15 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:01 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:23 pm
Style of football is a choice.

Brighton are playing wonderful football at the moment.

Sheffield United are playing high energy, lots of movement football.

Dyche wouldn't be able to play City style of play if he inherited players as good as them. Managers have to so focused and single minded, believe in their way to succeed.
To a degree but it depends on the players you have too.
We played very good football indeed with Ings and Trippier in the team- no coincidence that they were 2 of the most talented footballers we have ever had.

Dyche likes to play with wingers and we’ve had a few decent ones but have been hit with injuries. He bought Defour a great footballer - and again unlucky with injury.

A team with Tripps, Taylor, Defour, Ings, McNeil, Westwood, a fit JBG etc and we would have the players to be playing attractive football. Replacing these with similar quality when they are injured or sold is very difficult - if not impossible for a club with out constraints.

Brighton have spent a lot of money bringing in players that have allowed them to play like they do - they could not play like they did last night without Trossard, Mooy and Maupay.....or with Glen Murray up front.

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Re: Ancelotti

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:09 pm

bobinho wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:29 pm
Fans of bigger clubs have the luxury of better players. That’s how you play better football.

May I suggest Manchester City for you at the weekend?
Sheffield Utd play good stuff and they’ve only just come up, spent a comparable amount or less than Dyche, it’s a lot to do with how their trained, managed as well as quality, we do have good players, their just coached in the way they are to play in a certain way that is chosen by our management team.

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