Oh for a decent recruitment team

[TVC15]

Houseboy - all about opinion of course but I don’t think Vydra was a better championship player than Wood.
But it’s irrelevant really as in the Premier League I have not seen anything to suggest he is good enough and that includes games in the cup against lower league opposition We are not the only club in the premier league where he has failed to be a success.

[ClaretTony]

we also could do with accepting outside investment instead of turning it away.

You obviously know more than I do - any chance you could enlighten us as to whose investment we've turned away?

[jrgbfc]

Is it all down to the recruitment team or is it Dyche being too rigid/unwilling to leave his comfort zone of signing experienced British players?

[ClaretTony]

Wood got in the team very soon but took some time to take off really. And this brings us back to the Vydra question. Vydra was a better Championship player than Wood (even some Leeds fans didn't like him) and yet he hasn't had a sniff to speak of.

Wood started well, came on at Spurs as a sub and scored, scored the winner on his home debut and has been effective virtually ever since. Vydra has admittedly only started three games but his performances at Cardiff and West Ham last season hardly suggested he should be a permanent feature.

Some Leeds fans didn't like him? Well, some Burnley fans don't like him either and that sort of comment can be applied to any player. I was at Leeds recently for the under-23 game and was winding a few of their fans up asking what it was like in the lower leagues. They said they'd have been up by Christmas last year had they had Wood. Worst sale they'd made in years they said.

[ClaretTony]

Is it all down to the recruitment team or is it Dyche being too rigid/unwilling to leave his comfort zone of signing experienced British players?

Dyche selects the players we sign

[BOYSIE31]

Who have we turned away investment from ?

Oh btw premier league money is not investment - it’s income / revenue....that’s what helps cover our running costs. It’s all there in the accounts.

And its given to help teams compete

[BOYSIE31]

You obviously know more than I do - any chance you could enlighten us as to whose investment we've turned away?

Been told twice from a very reliable source very close to the boardroom

[ClaretTony]

Been told twice from a very reliable source very close to the boardroom

In other words you've made it up, so stop posting such comments.

[Bosscat]

Been told twice from a very reliable source very close to the boardroom

Gladys the Tea Lady

[houseboy]

Wood started well, came on at Spurs as a sub and scored, scored the winner on his home debut and has been effective virtually ever since. Vydra has admittedly only started three games but his performances at Cardiff and West Ham last season hardly suggested he should be a permanent feature.

Some Leeds fans didn't like him? Well, some Burnley fans don't like him either and that sort of comment can be applied to any player. I was at Leeds recently for the under-23 game and was winding a few of their fans up asking what it was like in the lower leagues. They said they'd have been up by Christmas last year had they had Wood. Worst sale they'd made in years they said.

True but he did have quite a lengthy spell scoring little or nothing did he not, during which time he was still playing. I'm not saying he hasn't become an excellent PL player but my point is when the goals did dry up for a while Vydra still didn't really get a chance.

Apologies by the way, I completely forgot he scored on both home and away debuts.

[ClaretTony]

Gladys the Tea Lady

You can laugh at that but a cleaner at the Turf told my mum back in late 1975 that we were going to sack Jimmy Adamson. Apparently she'd heard him and Lord having a blazing row over the money Lord owed him and Lord told him he'd be sacked after the New Year once it had been paid. Adamson was sacked in January 1976.

[Tall Paul]

And its given to help teams compete

And we do.

[TVC15]

And its given to help teams compete

Give it a break eh
We are competing - hence where we are in the league and the fact that we keep on staying up when teams that have spent more than us are relegated or finish below us every year.
You constantly criticise Dyche and the board.
You have no idea how to read our accounts.
And then you make stuff up about outside investment as you think it helps support your daft agenda.
Do you think we are all as stupid as you and would believe a thing you said ?

[BOYSIE31]

In other words you've made it up, so stop posting such comments.

No i have not made it up - but will email you who by if you give me an address

[BOYSIE31]

Give it a break eh
We are competing - hence where we are in the league and the fact that we keep on staying up when teams that have spent more than us are relegated or finish below us every year.
You constantly criticise Dyche and the board.
You have no idea how to read our accounts.
And then you make stuff up about outside investment as you think it helps support your daft agenda.
Do you think we are all as stupid as you and would believe a thing you said ?

I have no hidden agenda just keep trying to get people to take off their clarets specs once in a while but its no secret i hate the style of football we play and it also looks like a lot more supporters are coming to the same conclusion either on here or speaking in person and that will only lead to one thing - change

[ClaretTony]

No i have not made it up - but will email you who by if you give me an address

Do that then, the address is in the announcement post Contacting the site

[Papabendi]

I don't think it is any secret that Burnley FC have been looking for outside investment and that Garlick would stand aside given the right opportunity (which hasnt materialised yet).

[ClaretTony]

I don't think it is any secret that Burnley FC have been looking for outside investment and that Garlick would stand aside given the right opportunity (which hasnt materialised yet).

That's a hell of a lot closer to what I believe to be the case than the suggestion we are blocking outside investment. We even put out a prospectus to potential outside investors not too long ago.

[BOYSIE31]

That's a hell of a lot closer to what I believe to be the case than the suggestion we are blocking outside investment. We even put out a prospectus to potential outside investors not too long ago.

These were 2 years ago and same investment both attempts.

[Longside4evr]

I personally think our recruitment been good We have had to buy players that suit our market a price we can afford the wage we are willing to pay are all factors to be Tailored in before we even bid for our targets.
Even then the quality we do afford we hope that they bed in learn our system and make the grade
Realistically our stadium the players we can afford our fan base.
The club do things this way and this is by no means a snipe at the club its just that our matix is a league below this standed, we do extremely well competing being in this league let a lone going on to be an established competitors

[Grumps]

In other words you've made it up, so stop posting such comments.

Garlick has said in interviews they've had offers but would only get involved if it was good for the club.

[BOYSIE31]

I personally think our recruitment been good We have had to buy players that suit our market a price we can afford the wage we are willing to pay are all factors to be Tailored in before we even bid for our targets.
Even then the quality we do afford we hope that they bed in learn our system and make the grade
Realistically our stadium the players we can afford our fan base.
The club do things this way and this is by no means a snipe at the club its just that our matix is a league below this standed, we do extremely well competing being in this league let a lone going on to be an established competitors

But not good for our average age per squad for first team football

[Tall Paul]

It's a good job the Premier League don't award points based on the average age of the squad.

[claretspice]

On recruitment, I think there's two separate points.

The first is that out historic recruitment HAS been good. We got most of this team - Pope, Lowton, Tarks, Cork, Westwood, JBG, Barnes, Wood, for a start - by being clever and picking up fairly established players for less than they were properly worth. We have had a clear strategy not of looking for "the next big thing" (which is an overfished market, with the result that the premium on potential has meant there's actually no value in that market at all), and instead looking at players whose careers have plateaued and/or who have become undervalued at their current clubs (Westwood possibly the best example).

It has clearly worked - it's precisely because it has been so good that we've enjoyed three and a half seasons where (other than one half season) our record is that of a comfortably midtable Premier League team. And for exactly the same reason, it is now incredibly difficult for us to do better than we already have/replace what we have with players of equal calibre. The fact that Vydra (who may or may not be Premier League quality, but hasn't really had a chance) and Gibson (who has done OK at this level previously) cannot get a game is not so much a reflection on them being bad signings, but testament to the quality and achievements of the players who block their path.

But - the second point is that like all good strategies, it has a shelf life. The better your reputation for spotting bargains, the harder it is to persuade others to give you that bargain price. Which means we have to look to evolve that strategy. If we can find a bargain from a player who has gone off track - Drinkwater had/has the potential to be one - then great. But it isn't enough to simply wring our hands and say "we can't compete". We have to try - even if eventually we don't succeed.

My suspicion has long been that both Garlick and Dyche have excellent philosophies for recruitment. Dyche wants to know everything about a player and know that he isn't a risk, either as a personality or footballer. Garlick wants us to ensure we're getting value for money. But whilst both are extremely laudable, there needs to be some give and take to make them compatible. If Garlick won't pay the "certainty premium" that comes with buying players who are low risk, and we can no longer persuade clubs to give us a bargain as often, then Dyche will have to be a bit more flexible on players. Or vice versa. There will need to be a bit of give or take between the two of them in order to box clever. Rigg clearly has a role to play in helping identify potential markets in which we can try and compete - whether that be players from overseas, or younger players, or whatever.

[claretspice]

But not good for our average age per squad for first team football

Average age is a red herring, though. It doesn't guarantee pace - the quickest player in our squad is Lennon, and he's one of the oldest. Nor does it guarantee longevity - we'll have to replace the youngest player in our first team squad (McNeil) long before we need to replace the likes of Westwood and Cork, who at 29/30 have at least 3 years left in them before their legs begin to fail.

It also only guarantees resale value if they're any good, and that's a cost/benefit that needs to be weighed up when looking to buy younger players in the first place. If you're spending £20 million on a player who might be worth £30+ million in due course if he comes really good, but who you actually suspect is no better than 50/50 to actually make it a Premier League level, then you've got to think carefully about whether that £20 million is a sensible investment.

[claretspice]

That's a hell of a lot closer to what I believe to be the case than the suggestion we are blocking outside investment. We even put out a prospectus to potential outside investors not too long ago.

Outside investment is fine - provided it is the right sort, from the right sort of investors. I'd much rather keep punching against the odds than risk the sort of chaos that has enveloped other clubs of our size that have truly opened up to investment. It is no panacea.

[ClaretTony]

Outside investment is fine - provided it is the right sort, from the right sort of investors. I'd much rather keep punching against the odds than risk the sort of chaos that has enveloped other clubs of our size that have truly opened up to investment. It is no panacea.

I’m in total agreement with that

[Dark Cloud]

Red Bull Burnley?

If that EVER happens I'm off!!!

[jojomk1]

That's a hell of a lot closer to what I believe to be the case than the suggestion we are blocking outside investment. We even put out a prospectus to potential outside investors not too long ago.

Spoke with a guy Sat (who has some family links to the club) and he seemed quite positive that outside investment could be forthcoming some time this season
Would presume any investment would be based on the proviso that we are still a Prem club