Oh for a decent recruitment team

[jojomk1]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... l-salzburg

And some people say these bargains aren't out there - £7.25m !

How many years have we been waiting for our European network to produce the goods

[MACCA]

He's no Vydra or Wells though is he, maybe a little too attacking for our set up.

Add the fact he's playing in Europe and not British it's a none starter.

[CombatClaret]

I'm sure it's a lot easier to temp players to the European Champions and current league winners elect than it is to Burnley.

[MACCA]

I'm sure it's a lot easier to temp players to the European Champions and current league winners elect than it is to Burnley.

Absolutely, but get in there first, offer regular first team football in the premier league, and be the stepping stone to Liverpool/United etc and who knows

[ElectroClaret]

....and offer them an Anfield-type salary, too.

Yeah, maybe not.

[houseboy]

I think we have to accept that we, as a club, don't want foriegn players. JBG and Defour have been the exception rather than the rule. Having said that when some of the big boys run out with not a single Englishman in the starting eleven that is bad also. Surely we should have the 'maximum foriegn player' rule? Having said that we would be better if we employed more of them. Get to South America guys and pick up some real talent for a fraction of the norm in the PL.

Our recruitment is dire on just about all fronts. If they don't fit into the 'over-the-hill squad player' or 'one for the future' type then we don't want to know. Let's get some NOW players who can make a difference - NOW.

[houseboy]

....and offer them an Anfield-type salary, too.

Yeah, maybe not.

I think you're missing his point mate. He means get in there BEFORE they have been offered Anfield-type salaries. If a guy is earning X and we can offer him Y (with regular PL football) before he gets offered Z (to sit on a bench) then we could possibly get him.

[andyh]

RB are known for throwing money at their projects. Burnley is a step in the wrong direction for players of this supposed quality. There are a lot of players better than our current squad out there so there is room for improvement. However it will be a gamble. They can’t be the finished article because others would be in for them first. So it is a question of which players to gamble on.

[CombatClaret]

Absolutely, but get in there first, offer regular first team football in the premier league, and be the stepping stone to Liverpool/United etc and who knows

He already had regular Champions League & Europa League football, that looks like all the stepping stones he needed to get to Liverpool.

[claret2018]

Remember when all the experts on here were crying over missing out on Che Adams, who was allegedly the exact type of player we should have been after?

[Chester Perry]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... l-salzburg

And some people say these bargains aren't out there - £7.25m !

How many years have we been waiting for our European network to produce the goods

I am assuming you are talking about the selling club, who, with the backing of a Multibillion Dollar Corporation that is interested in finding and developing young players across it's multiple clubs (it is rumoured to be looking for new ones to add to it's stable), can afford the network, analysts and risks associated

[jtv]

And a player playing in the Champions League for RB Salzburg would jump at the opportunity to come to Burnley? Dream on.....

[joey13]

Huddersfield spent 35 million on Europeans who will never play for the club again due to attitude puts the money we wasted on Vydra and Wells into prospective

[Funkydrummer]

They didn't scout him, he played against them and did well.

Just one word to say :- Fulham !!!!

[Chester Perry]

Anyone in any doubt about Red Bull's involvement should read this about their Leipzig franchise

https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-rb-leipzi ... a-51684675

[CombatClaret]

Remember when all the experts on here were crying over missing out on Che Adams, who was allegedly the exact type of player we should have been after?

"If they want £20million for him just give it to them, why do we always haggle over a few million!?"

I remember it well.

[MACCA]

Remember when all the experts on here were crying over missing out on Che Adams, who was allegedly the exact type of player we should have been after?

Could have easily come here and got 8 goals
So far and people would be raving about him.

You're right, he'd be lucky to have 8 appearances never mind goals.

Yesterdays thread discussed whether getting a chance early helps these stars that step up go on to seem bargains.
They wouldn't get the chance here ( see Vydra and Gibson) so who's to say players like Maddison, Brooke's, Wilson ( both ) Jsmes etc would look bargains, or just expensive squad players/mistakes after sitting on out bench for a year or 2.

Ability can only get yuo so far, the rest is down to coaching, selection and tactics as to whether they shine or not

[Sproggy]

Come on Jojo, you should know by now that it's not allowed on here to suggest there are players out there that are good enough, affordable and willing to play Premier League football for us for a paltry 40k a week.

[SGr]

Come on Jojo, you should know by now that it's not allowed on here to suggest there are players out there that are good enough, affordable and willing to play Premier League football for us for a paltry 40k a week.

Just some part of me every window refuses to believe that we have been beaten by a fellow Premier League club to every single good footballer on the planet.

[FCBurnley]

Very difficult to attract players to Burnley. Low wages by comparison to other PL clubs coupled with living in a less fashionable area of the country make us an hard sell to top players. Perhaps we should relocate to Milton Keynes !!!! ( sarcasm)

[MACCA]

Very difficult to attract players to Burnley. Low wages by comparison to other PL clubs coupled with living in a less fashionable area of the country make us an hard sell to top players. Perhaps we should relocate to Milton Keynes !!!! ( sarcasm)

Cheshire is lovely, add about another dozen or so areas within a brief drive, oh and London is a Sh1thole.

And if 2.5m a year plus bonuses isnt enough we may aswell pack it in

[Ric_C]

It's a hard balance. We spent 25 million on two players who hardly ever play for us. BUT this is mainly because of the consistent form of the players in front of them (and lack of injuries).

Gibson from what I've seen is a bit of an ok player, no better than Kevin Long. However he could've been useful if Mee got injured for a while.

Vydra is the main disappointment. He's not physical enough to play upfront in this league, and he's not skilful enough to play as a 10 or out wide.

We do seem to struggle to find players better than we have though. However you could argue one of our coaching staff's main attributes is developing players.

Westwood, Barnes, Taylor, Pope, Tarks, Wood, McNeill amongst others are now fully fledged premier league players, and are all much improved from when they first signed.

[Papabendi]

If Brentford can do it......

[houseboy]

It's a hard balance. We spent 25 million on two players who hardly ever play for us. BUT this is mainly because of the consistent form of the players in front of them (and lack of injuries).

Gibson from what I've seen is a bit of an ok player, no better than Kevin Long. However he could've been useful if Mee got injured for a while.

Vydra is the main disappointment. He's not physical enough to play upfront in this league, and he's not skilful enough to play as a 10 or out wide.

We do seem to struggle to find players better than we have though. However you could argue one of our coaching staff's main attributes is developing players.

Westwood, Barnes, Taylor, Pope, Tarks, Wood, McNeill amongst others are now fully fledged premier league players, and are all much improved from when they first signed.

I wouldn't say Vydra is a disappointment - he hasn't been given enough game time to be a disappointment. The thing that I don't understand (and this is not aimed at you Ric) is so many on here seem to think that all we can afford is Championship players and applaud our board for not going overboard and for seeking out talent there. At the same time many of them criticise Vydra for not being good enough. Now, Vydra, at the time of buying, was possibly THE outstanding player of the Championship, at the very least one of them, and yet he is being criticised for not being good enough. If Vydra is not good enough, either in the view of the fans or, more importantly, the view of Dyche, why the hell are we still rumagging around in the Championship for players? Gibson, another top player in the Championship, isn't getting a sniff despite Mee not actually having the season of a lifetime. Taylor has been a success of course but he does get dropped quite readilly it seems. JBG is fabulous but injury prone.

We are doing okay and there is no need to panic but in the longer term the board are going to have to be a little more ambitious, this has been said before on here by many and others have shot them down but it is a simple fact of life that if you don't keep moving forward you will start to move backward. Burnley FC are now in the best position, financially, that they have ever been in so now is the time to start being a little more brave or everyone will pass us and we will be back in the Championship. That is a simple fact.

[Local cricketer]

You have all been told by the big hitters on here that 4 successive years at the top table tells you that nothing wrong is with the recruitment teams work.

Only surprise is we have managed to hold onto them

[jojomk1]

RB are known for throwing money at their projects. Burnley is a step in the wrong direction for players of this supposed quality. There are a lot of players better than our current squad out there so there is room for improvement. However it will be a gamble. They can’t be the finished article because others would be in for them first. So it is a question of which players to gamble on.

Agree, if they were the finished article other clubs would be in the queue before us and offer bigger wages
But isn't that the idea of scouts and a recruitment team
To spot the "rough" diamonds who have potential and, yes, gamble on us being able to take them to the next level (not only improving our starting eleven but also adding to the bottom line profit if their value goes up
Or do we just continue to go down the road of buying/paying for experience and guys who are good for the dressing room

Tarks is prob the best example of one player who has been a success as outlined above

[ClaretTony]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... l-salzburg

And some people say these bargains aren't out there - £7.25m !

How many years have we been waiting for our European network to produce the goods

Do you just spend your time scouring the media trying to find even more ways to criticise our club? You should try being a supporter.

[jojomk1]

Remember when all the experts on here were crying over missing out on Che Adams, who was allegedly the exact type of player we should have been after?

On the basis that we were reported to have put bids in for him, I would surmise Dyche thought the same

[TVC15]

Can’t believe we didn’t beat the current Champions League holders and Premier League leaders to this signing. One look at the new hotel at Crow Wood and surely he would be ours.
So we move on...Coutinho it is.

[jojomk1]

Do you just spend your time scouring the media trying to find even more ways to criticise our club? You should try being a supporter.

Oh dear - some people just can't take it

[jrgbfc]

Could have easily come here and got 8 goals
So far and people would be raving about him.

You're right, he'd be lucky to have 8 appearances never mind goals.

Yesterdays thread discussed whether getting a chance early helps these stars that step up go on to seem bargains.
They wouldn't get the chance here ( see Vydra and Gibson) so who's to say players like Maddison, Brooke's, Wilson ( both ) Jsmes etc would look bargains, or just expensive squad players/mistakes after sitting on out bench for a year or 2.

Ability can only get yuo so far, the rest is down to coaching, selection and tactics as to whether they shine or not

It's a good point, would someone like Maddison have got the same chances here or would he have been left with the Vydra role? If you've spent 10 million on someone and forking out wages of about 40 grand a week surely it's worth at least giving the bloke a chance?

[houseboy]

Do you just spend your time scouring the media trying to find even more ways to criticise our club? You should try being a supporter.

To be fair Tony he does have a point. I don't think he was being over-critical, we all know that our recruitment is not the best in the world.

[ClaretTony]

To be fair Tony he does have a point. I don't think he was being over-critical, we all know that our recruitment is not the best in the world.

Just one post after another though. As for our recruitment, all I will ever say is that if it wasn't good then a club our size would not be spending a fourth successive season in the Premier League.

[houseboy]

Just one post after another though. As for our recruitment, all I will ever say is that if it wasn't good then a club our size would not be spending a fourth successive season in the Premier League.

True but my point is that that stay may not carry on for long if we don't start to do things slightly differently. More teams now are spending more and more money, which I don't agree with as most people would know, but if they are and if we want to remain among them it has to be a case of if you can't beat them join them. And the main point on here is that there are players to be had that are better than Championship standard if you look hard enough, and the place to look is abroad, not in this country where even a half decent League One player can knock you back many millions.

I hate the money in football Tony and I believe it will ultimately kill the game as we know it if something isn't done, but until it is then we have to change the way we do things or accept that we may well have to take a huge pay cut...in the Championship. Not this season, maybe not the next but ultimately, because you can't run a five star hotel on b&b investment.

[ClaretTony]

True but my point is that that stay may not carry on for long if we don't start to do things slightly differently. More teams now are spending more and more money, which I don't agree with as most people would know, but if they are and if we want to remain among them it has to be a case of if you can't beat them join them. And the main point on here is that there are players to be had that are better than Championship standard if you look hard enough, and the place to look is abroad, not in this country where even a half decent League One player can knock you back many millions.

I hate the money in football Tony and I believe it will ultimately kill the game as we know it if something isn't done, but until it is then we have to change the way we do things or accept that we may well have to take a huge pay cut...in the Championship. Not this season, maybe not the next but ultimately, because you can't run a five star hotel on b&b investment.

Totally agree with that and inevitably we will go down because we just don't have the investment to be in this league long term. But I refute any suggestion that our recruitment is poor because we'd have been straight down had it been so.

[Woodleyclaret]

Spot on there are quality affordable players around Colchester have a 23yr old ex Arsenal youngster playing at Old Trafford night
Oli Norwood and Aaron Mooy have been mentioned before as well within our range re price
It is frustrating our lack of success in signings
I understand the board may be reluctant to back the manager following on from expensive flops we've bought
However our successes Pope.Gudmunsson Lowton Taylor and Wood show we can get our acquisition right sometimes

[Sproggy]

Our recruitment up to 17/18 was generally good and that (and the manager) is what has kept us up since. Since then we've signed Ben Gibson £15m, Matej Vydra £10m, Joe Hart £3m, Peter Crouch Free, Jay Rodríguez £5m, Bailey Peacock-Farrell £2.5m, Erik Pieters £1m, Ryan Cooney Free and Danny Drinkwater Loan. As far as the first team goes, that's pretty poor.

Half of our squad will be 30 or over next season and we have the oldest avg. squad age in the Premier League.

[Papabendi]

It's been a while since a player came in (McNeil aside) and really made a difference to the first team. And we have spent (relative for us) quite a lot in that period attempting to do so. No one is doubting that we have a solid first 11, but many are rightfully getting worried about the trajectory of the last few years and where that might be leading.

Simply put, we are struggling to be financially able to improve the first team AND / OR we are not finding the right players to do so.

The next few signings will be key. They need to be able to improve us, not sit on the bench.

[ClaretAL]

True but my point is that that stay may not carry on for long if we don't start to do things slightly differently. More teams now are spending more and more money, which I don't agree with as most people would know, but if they are and if we want to remain among them it has to be a case of if you can't beat them join them. And the main point on here is that there are players to be had that are better than Championship standard if you look hard enough, and the place to look is abroad, not in this country where even a half decent League One player can knock you back many millions.

I hate the money in football Tony and I believe it will ultimately kill the game as we know it if something isn't done, but until it is then we have to change the way we do things or accept that we may well have to take a huge pay cut...in the Championship. Not this season, maybe not the next but ultimately, because you can't run a five star hotel on b&b investment.

Totally agree with this, the money is ruining the game, and although Tony and I dont agree on some aspects of our recruitment and/or use of youth , I do agree we will inevitably leave the premier league purely because we will be out priced of it, but my main concern is the Championship is not far behind on the money being spent by the bottom 12 in the Premier League so it may be a domino effect unless someone puts a stop to it. I have no idea who runs the FFP committee but they must have their heads in the sand.

[Jakubs Tash]

Just one post after another though. As for our recruitment, all I will ever say is that if it wasn't good then a club our size would not be spending a fourth successive season in the Premier League.

Our recruitment has been good generally speaking but I don't think anyone could say that our last 3-4 transfer windows have been very successful. And this has led to pretty much having the same starting XI for two seasons now and the average age of the squad increasing.

[jojomk1]

Totally agree with this, the money is ruining the game, and although Tony and I dont agree on some aspects of our recruitment and/or use of youth , I do agree we will inevitably leave the premier league purely because we will be out priced of it, but my main concern is the Championship is not far behind on the money being spent by the bottom 12 in the Premier League so it may be a domino effect unless someone puts a stop to it. I have no idea who runs the FFP committee but they must have their heads in the sand.

But you can't just say we will inevitably get relegated because we will be priced out of it
It's obvious we can't compete with the likes of Liverpool when it comes to individual signings
The idea of my original post was purely to show there are good players out there at quite reasonable prices but when was the last time any of our recruitment teams (plural) actually found one - Tarks for me and that was 4 years ago (maybe Pope also)

We got both of them from Brentford and who else have their recruitment team spotted (then sold) in the last 4 years, made profits, and are now with Premiership clubs

Maupey, Konsa, Mepham, Egan, O'Connell, Jota, Gray - plus a number of the current squad are making headlines this season

We have stagnated for two seasons now regarding actual first team starters, we have the oldest squad in the Prem, and my real fear is that there is little evidence of any building blocks for the future when our ageing squad can no longer compete - even at Championship level

[Hibsclaret]

Any comparison between ourselves and a club backed by Red Bull and playing in Europe is beyond ridiculous.

As for our recruitment, we seem to be getting better year on year so that is evidence that the recruitment is pretty much spot on....some on here will never be happy...until we get relegated.

As for making out it is inevitable that we will go down at some point...there are 6 teams never relegated from the Premier league and all of them pay average wages of 70k per week or above and have stadiums at least twice the size of ours in big cities...so in short we will go down but not because of recruitment whilst this great manager is in charge.

[BOYSIE31]

A few players here giving Liverpool a good game would jump at the chance to come to Europe and the premier league and even Burnley - but we don't try

[Dark Cloud]

I know it's something of a side issue to the thread, but that link to what really lies behind Red Bull Leipzig, is actually very interesting. I was aware that Red Bull owned the club (as they do Salzburg), but I wasn't aware that it's so controversial. The second I see the word "franchise" in absolutely anything tbh I get goosebumps and start to sweat!! And especially if it's football!!!

[rob63]

I am assuming you are talking about the selling club, who, with the backing of a Multibillion Dollar Corporation that is interested in finding and developing young players across it's multiple clubs (it is rumoured to be looking for new ones to add to it's stable), can afford the network, analysts and risks associated

Red Bull Burnley?

[ClaretTony]

I know it's something of a side issue to the thread, but that link to what really lies behind Red Bull Leipzig, is actually very interesting. I was aware that Red Bull owned the club (as they do Salzburg), but I wasn't aware that it's so controversial. The second I see the word "franchise" in absolutely anything tbh I get goosebumps and start to sweat!! And especially if it's football!!!

I did a lot of research on RB Salzburg around the time we played our pre season games in Austria around 2004. It wasn’t good what happened there and then came Leipzig who are, shall we say, not the most popular club in Germany.

[dsr]

I wouldn't say Vydra is a disappointment - he hasn't been given enough game time to be a disappointment. The thing that I don't understand (and this is not aimed at you Ric) is so many on here seem to think that all we can afford is Championship players and applaud our board for not going overboard and for seeking out talent there. At the same time many of them criticise Vydra for not being good enough. Now, Vydra, at the time of buying, was possibly THE outstanding player of the Championship, at the very least one of them, and yet he is being criticised for not being good enough. If Vydra is not good enough, either in the view of the fans or, more importantly, the view of Dyche, why the hell are we still rumagging around in the Championship for players? Gibson, another top player in the Championship, isn't getting a sniff despite Mee not actually having the season of a lifetime. Taylor has been a success of course but he does get dropped quite readilly it seems. JBG is fabulous but injury prone.

We are doing okay and there is no need to panic but in the longer term the board are going to have to be a little more ambitious, this has been said before on here by many and others have shot them down but it is a simple fact of life that if you don't keep moving forward you will start to move backward. Burnley FC are now in the best position, financially, that they have ever been in so now is the time to start being a little more brave or everyone will pass us and we will be back in the Championship. That is a simple fact.

Why haven't you mentioned Wood, Tarkowski or Pope? They were all signed from the Championship. If you only pick the less successful signings and ignore the very successful ones, then it makes you look like someone who is just out to bash the club regardless of results. And you wouldn't want that, would you.

[BOYSIE31]

Totally agree with that and inevitably we will go down because we just don't have the investment to be in this league long term. But I refute any suggestion that our recruitment is poor because we'd have been straight down had it been so.

We dont say recruitment has been poor all that time but it certainly has these last 2 seasons or 4 windows - you cannot stand still in this league or even the one below - money has been given and wasted in my opinion and we cannot afford to do that so we do have some investment its called premier league money - we also could do with accepting outside investment instead of turning it away.

[houseboy]

Why haven't you mentioned Wood, Tarkowski or Pope? They were all signed from the Championship. If you only pick the less successful signings and ignore the very successful ones, then it makes you look like someone who is just out to bash the club regardless of results. And you wouldn't want that, would you.

But none of those were PL ready players. Tarks and Pope both had to wait ages before they got first team football and I'm not saying that isn't one way to go but we cannot just keep 'buying one for the future' all the time. They were brilliant investment players but occasionally you need someone who can walk in and hit the ground running and they most certainly weren't that. Wood got in the team very soon but took some time to take off really. And this brings us back to the Vydra question. Vydra was a better Championship player than Wood (even some Leeds fans didn't like him) and yet he hasn't had a sniff to speak of. I can only assume (again) that his problem is with Dyche. Maybe they don't hit it off, Dyche I imagine can be a stubborn so-and-so who believes it's his way or the highway, and who's to argue with what he has achieved, but I do think that we have a very good player who is not being utilised enough, having said that the current form of Barnes and Wood makes it difficult for him but he doesn't even seem to get much chance even when there is a chance. He must have felt totally outcast when we brought in an over-the-hill Crouch for cover.
You can spend half a season bedding in new players who are finding their feet in the PL but by the time they are ready you could be all but down. Sometimes you have to look at the team and say right, we need a certain type of player and we need him now.

[TVC15]

Who have we turned away investment from ?

Oh btw premier league money is not investment - it’s income / revenue....that’s what helps cover our running costs. It’s all there in the accounts.