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Hendrick
Misses the Everton game after today's booking.
Who will replace him ?
Who will replace him ?
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Re: Hendrick
Jay
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Re: Hendrick
JBG, if fit, is my guess else Lennon ?
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Re: Hendrick
Lowton wide right.
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Re: Hendrick
It wouldn't surprise me if Lennon starts, JBG on from bench later on.
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Re: Hendrick
Lennon.
Contributed to the goal today, earned his place with one or two other creditable cameos recently.
Contributed to the goal today, earned his place with one or two other creditable cameos recently.
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Re: Hendrick
I’d stick Hart there....
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Re: Hendrick
A lot of people on here have knocked Hendrick ,let's see how we do without him now..
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Re: Hendrick
Jay Rod starting for me
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Re: Hendrick
We will struggle without Jeff.
Does so much more than people think.
Does so much more than people think.
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Re: Hendrick
Tarks to midfield, Cork to right wing, JBG to CD - sorted
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Re: Hendrick
Lowton was the only fit squad player missing yesterday. IMO his attitude has been a bit iffy recently - I wouldn’t be surprised if the manager has lost patience with him and he may be on his way.
Bournemouth (and others) saw a defensive weakness and targeted our right flank through Ryan Fraser. We countered this with a bit of”stick” from Bards and Tarks. Interestingly Hendrick seemed to avoid the rough stuff but covered the hard yards. It will be Lennon that fits this role but he won’t play the full 90 and undoubtedly that is the area that needs strengthening in January.
Bournemouth (and others) saw a defensive weakness and targeted our right flank through Ryan Fraser. We countered this with a bit of”stick” from Bards and Tarks. Interestingly Hendrick seemed to avoid the rough stuff but covered the hard yards. It will be Lennon that fits this role but he won’t play the full 90 and undoubtedly that is the area that needs strengthening in January.
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Re: Hendrick
"Lowton was the only fit squad player missing yesterday. IMO his attitude has been a bit iffy recently - I wouldn’t be surprised if the manager has lost patience with him and he may be on his way. "
Apart from him being out of form, which happens, what evidence is there of his "iffy" attitude? Apart from just making it up.
Apart from him being out of form, which happens, what evidence is there of his "iffy" attitude? Apart from just making it up.
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Re: Hendrick
Lowts was on the bench weren’t he? Just out of form, questioning his attitude is looking for problems that I’m sure don’t exist.
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Re: Hendrick
In fairness I’ve seen a couple of examples of an iffy attitude from Lowton. Not that either of these would be classed as serious, but certainly iffy and I can understand why Dyche may not be too happy;claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:36 am"Lowton was the only fit squad player missing yesterday. IMO his attitude has been a bit iffy recently - I wouldn’t be surprised if the manager has lost patience with him and he may be on his way. "
Apart from him being out of form, which happens, what evidence is there of his "iffy" attitude? Apart from just making it up.
Trying to wind up a Chelsea player (can’t remember which) as he was jogging back which ended up with the ball in the back of our net. I don’t think Lowton would have got back in time but he was more bothered about giving the Chelsea player a mouthful than he was about getting back to help the team.
Verbally abusing a coach at half time warm up and generally looking disinterested.
Dyche may not care about either of these incidents although I suspect if he saw either he wouldn’t be happy considering the standards of respect and discipline he sets.
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Re: Hendrick
No ... we had seven on the bench and Lowts was not one of them. Not making things up just seeing through the fog.
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Re: Hendrick
Lennon might get the Nod playing at his old stomping ground. He had his best game for us against Everton at home when we come back to win 2-1 from one down.
Get a decent hour out of him and then JBG or Brady.
Get a decent hour out of him and then JBG or Brady.
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Re: Hendrick
Tarks and Barnes are 1 booking away from a suspension too
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Re: Hendrick
Has to be Lennon. JBG on the bench but no way he'll come straight back to start. Fingers crossed regards Cork and Westwood but providing they are OK we still have game-changing options from the bench as we proved yesterday.
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Re: Hendrick
Hendrick against city was shocking, I'm not a fan, he tries hard but he isn't a premier league player for me , when he leaves Burnley I wont be surprised if he disappears without trace.
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Re: Hendrick
My reading of this is that, because they were not booked yesterday, they are now in the clear until receiving 10 cautions.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:54 pmTarks and Barnes are 1 booking away from a suspension too
A player who receives five yellow cards before the 19th match-week will be issued with a one-match ban. If a player has accumulated 10 yellow cards by match-week 32 they will be handed a two-match ban.
Re: Hendrick
Hendrick is a vital cog in the Dyche machine.
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Re: Hendrick
I quite like Hendrick, but if he were to leave at the end of the season I don't think we would miss him that much. I would just like to think he would free up some space and cash for one of the two new midfielders we really need.
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Re: Hendrick
hope soAshingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:33 pmMy reading of this is that, because they were not booked yesterday, they are now in the clear until receiving 10 cautions.
A player who receives five yellow cards before the 19th match-week will be issued with a one-match ban. If a player has accumulated 10 yellow cards by match-week 32 they will be handed a two-match ban.
Re: Hendrick
Premier League rules for yellow cards accumulationAshingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:33 pmMy reading of this is that, because they were not booked yesterday, they are now in the clear until receiving 10 cautions.
A player who receives five yellow cards before the 19th match-week will be issued with a one-match ban. If a player has accumulated 10 yellow cards by match-week 32 they will be handed a two-match ban.
According to the Premier League rules:
An accumulation of 5 yellow cards results in a one match suspension.
An accumulation of 10 yellow cards results in a two match suspension.
An accumulation of 15 yellow cards results in a three match suspension.
If a player reaches a total of 20 yellow cards for the season he/she is required to attend a special hearing at the FA to discuss their on-field behaviour.
However, there is a concept of cut-off dates for yellow cards.
The five yellow card count is “reset” on 31st December. It means a player receiving their fifth yellow card of the season on January 1 or later will not receive a ban.
The ten yellow card count is “reset” on second Sunday in April. It means a player receiving their eleventh yellow card of the season after the second Sunday of April will not receive any ban.
Re: Hendrick
Premier League:
- One-match ban if five yellow cards received before 19 Premier League fixtures (Dec. 26 round)
- Further two-match ban if 10 yellow cards received before 32 fixtures (weekend of March 30)
- Further three-match ban if 15 yellows received (no fixture limit)
This I believe has been the case since last season where only cards picked up in a competition count.
thoeretically a player could pick up 4 yellows in the League cup 4 in the FA cup and 14 in the league and not get a ban (4 by match 18, 9 by match 32 and then another 5 by the last match)
- One-match ban if five yellow cards received before 19 Premier League fixtures (Dec. 26 round)
- Further two-match ban if 10 yellow cards received before 32 fixtures (weekend of March 30)
- Further three-match ban if 15 yellows received (no fixture limit)
This I believe has been the case since last season where only cards picked up in a competition count.
thoeretically a player could pick up 4 yellows in the League cup 4 in the FA cup and 14 in the league and not get a ban (4 by match 18, 9 by match 32 and then another 5 by the last match)
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Re: Hendrick
From the FA website (and they are the ultimate arbiters):
"Yellow and red card cut-off dates for players
For the first time, the 2018-19 season will also see the introduction of competition specific suspensions for yellow cards in the following competitions:
Premier League
EFL
National League
Emirates FA Cup
EFL Cup
Buildbase FA Trophy
Therefore, the cut-off dates for receiving a sanction as a result of accumulating cautions in league matches only are:
Number of cautions Cut-off date [inclusive]
Five [Premier League] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [EFL] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [National League] Following 23 league fixtures
10 [Premier League Following 32 league fixtures
10 [EFL] Following 37 league fixtures
10 [National League] Following 37 league fixtures
15 [All leagues] *End of the season**"
The 19 PL fixtures are, essentially, the same as having a December 31st cut-off but allow for fixture postponements - so Liverpool and West Ham will still have players under threat in the middle of January!
"Yellow and red card cut-off dates for players
For the first time, the 2018-19 season will also see the introduction of competition specific suspensions for yellow cards in the following competitions:
Premier League
EFL
National League
Emirates FA Cup
EFL Cup
Buildbase FA Trophy
Therefore, the cut-off dates for receiving a sanction as a result of accumulating cautions in league matches only are:
Number of cautions Cut-off date [inclusive]
Five [Premier League] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [EFL] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [National League] Following 23 league fixtures
10 [Premier League Following 32 league fixtures
10 [EFL] Following 37 league fixtures
10 [National League] Following 37 league fixtures
15 [All leagues] *End of the season**"
The 19 PL fixtures are, essentially, the same as having a December 31st cut-off but allow for fixture postponements - so Liverpool and West Ham will still have players under threat in the middle of January!
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Re: Hendrick
They have changed the wording since I first read this last season and it does now say "following the 19th fixture" whereas it originally said before 19 PL fixtures, therefore, both Barnes and Tarks will have to be wary at Everton!
Re: Hendrick
That is how I have read last season's and this season's wording ,Ash
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Annoying given how avoidable Barnes yellow was once againAshingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:59 pmThey have changed the wording since I first read this last season and it does now say "following the 19th fixture" whereas it originally said before 19 PL fixtures, therefore, both Barnes and Tarks will have to be wary at Everton!
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Re: Hendrick
Martin Atkinson has refereed 14 matches in the PL in which Ashley has played. He has cautioned him 7 times, once when he did not come on until the 79th minute and he also sent him off at Hull in the 90th minute.
Mind you, he was also the referee in the infamous Matic incident and did not see anything wrong with events.
Ashley always sails close to the wind and it is part of his game, he gives and takes knocks in equal measure and his booking yesterday was probably as much through frustration as much as anything and we have no idea what had been siad between him and Rico throughout the game.
The plus side is that Sean took him off ---probably for his own good ---brought Jay on and the rest is history!
Mind you, he was also the referee in the infamous Matic incident and did not see anything wrong with events.
Ashley always sails close to the wind and it is part of his game, he gives and takes knocks in equal measure and his booking yesterday was probably as much through frustration as much as anything and we have no idea what had been siad between him and Rico throughout the game.
The plus side is that Sean took him off ---probably for his own good ---brought Jay on and the rest is history!
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Re: Hendrick
A big miss lets hope he signs his new contract
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I also, quite like Hendrick but on Saturday I kept thinking which club higher up in the 'pecking order' than us would want him and therefore, why wouldn't he want to put pen to paper.Vino blanco wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:35 pmI quite like Hendrick, but if he were to leave at the end of the season I don't think we would miss him that much. I would just like to think he would free up some space and cash for one of the two new midfielders we really need.
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28 next month so his next contract is likely to be the one that keeps him financially sound for the rest of his life
If he decides to run down his contract with us, going on a "free" elsewhere (even Championship) will include a sizeable signing on fee as well as wages.
No reason why another club would not pay as much as £3-4m to him for his services on top of wages
SD clearly rates him
If he decides to run down his contract with us, going on a "free" elsewhere (even Championship) will include a sizeable signing on fee as well as wages.
No reason why another club would not pay as much as £3-4m to him for his services on top of wages
SD clearly rates him
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Re: Hendrick
As much as I hope we re-sign Hendrick, time is moving on and you start to wonder whether a club like ourselves would really let a £10m player go for free.
If there is interest in January in the £2-3m range, and little encouragement over the prospect of Jeff signing a new deal, I wonder if we would let him go?
If there is interest in January in the £2-3m range, and little encouragement over the prospect of Jeff signing a new deal, I wonder if we would let him go?
Re: Hendrick
We have no choice over whether he goes for nothing, that is just down to him and we certainly won't be letting him go this Jan unless we have at least two midfielders lined up to sign
Re: Hendrick
It always seems tough, especially on centre backs, allowing them to only get 4 yellow cards in 19 games, otherwise they get banned!
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Apparently he does, and we want to keep him.Helmshore Claret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:50 amI also, quite like Hendrick but on Saturday I kept thinking which club higher up in the 'pecking order' than us would want him and therefore, why wouldn't he want to put pen to paper.
However he will want
A. A nice chunky pay rise to go back to being a top earner, and possibly
B. Some indexation of if he will be a regular starter.
I dont think we can say he'll be anything other than a squad player next season as we need both a RW and a CM, and preferably better than we already have.
Where that puts Jeff is back to back up.
If he decides to move on, he can get 1 last pay day with a very nice signing on fee which he can command with being a free agent
Our dilemma will be funding a versatile squad player to replace him if he does leave, as those sorts of players start at 10m it seems
So it's a bit of a catch 22.
Ideally we would get in a a first choice RW and CM, or at least nearly 1st team ready with an eye on next season where they compete for a first team spot and effectively take the roles of Hendrick and Lennon.
If Cork and JBG have genuine competition or possibly are even reduced to the bench, we will have definitely moved the team on a notch.
Can we do that and how much itll cost is another matter as we need to do that this window IMO, so they are upto speed and are well integrated for next season.
We dont want to be in a situation where we are needing 2 or 3 players next season and we are still chasing them on deadline day in August.
Problem is itll mean carrying a few more bigger wages by having to wait for Hendrick and Lennons deals to expire in the summer.
It'll be our busiest time in terms of players in and out over the next 6-8 months , and Mr Dyches biggest squad rebuild.
Itll be interesting to see it all unfold and then the long term plan should become clearer.
( sorry for the mammoth post and 101 points )
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Re: Hendrick
Massively overhyped on this forum. Everyone knows he's bang average but some people want to flaunt their superior footballing knowledge so build him up into some kind of world beater. See also: George Boyd.
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Re: Hendrick
Hendrick does a great job at making it difficult for our opponents to play. Among other benefits, on many occasions it's bide time for everyone else to check they're where they need to be. Some players value lay in how they affect the opposition as much as how they affect our own play.
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Re: Hendrick
Hendrick is the type of utility player every manager values,he does whatever role is asked of him on a given day.He's not going to standout in any one position,but clearly SD rates his contribution to the team ethic.No Ney Never wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:41 amHendrick does a great job at making it difficult for our opponents to play. Among other benefits, on many occasions it's bide time for everyone else to check they're where they need to be. Some players value lay in how they affect the opposition as much as how they affect our own play.
For some reason Jeff has become a scapegoat on here,every club has one,but it's not his fault Sean tried to accomodate him in the nr10 role,he never has and never will be a nr10.
He's missing for the Everton game so we'll see what affect his absence has for better for wiorse.
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Thats some stat when Atkinson is officiating where barnes concernedAshingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:34 pmMartin Atkinson has refereed 14 matches in the PL in which Ashley has played. He has cautioned him 7 times, once when he did not come on until the 79th minute and he also sent him off at Hull in the 90th minute.
Mind you, he was also the referee in the infamous Matic incident and did not see anything wrong with events.
Ashley always sails close to the wind and it is part of his game, he gives and takes knocks in equal measure and his booking yesterday was probably as much through frustration as much as anything and we have no idea what had been siad between him and Rico throughout the game.
The plus side is that Sean took him off ---probably for his own good ---brought Jay on and the rest is history!
Its like he has a grievance with him was he in the middle at Villa Park this season
Not sure we seem to be on the wrong side of decisions more than what seems to go for us with certain refs or is it me with claret tints on
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Lee Mason was in the middle that day with Martin Atkinson as VAR ---he disallowed a Villa goal for offside.Longside4evr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:06 pmThats some stat when Atkinson is officiating where barnes concerned
Its like he has a grievance with him was he in the middle at Villa Park this season
Not sure we seem to be on the wrong side of decisions more than what seems to go for us with certain refs or is it me with claret tints on
I honestly think that Martin does appreciate the passion and physical aspect of the game, however, Barnes does push it to the limit sometimes, particularly with his 'rabbit'