The FA Cup. One game at a time.

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The FA Cup. One game at a time.

Post by Darnhill Claret » Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:02 pm

This year, this season, we need to be more positive and with that, treat the FA Cup with some increased respect. We are good enough not to be paralysed by the fear of relegation.
Let’s just go with the mantra of, ‘one game at a time’. Let’s not differentiate between League and Cup for the remainder of this season. Just play the best possible eleven for each game, just making changes for form and injuries.
The rest as they say, will take care of itself. This will lend itself to some rotational changes, keeping a greater number of squad members happy, knowing that they are more likely to be given an opportunity.

We have to get away from the failed tradition of making wholesale changes for a Cup game, we need the continuity of ‘just another game’, ‘one game at a time’.

Just a couple of changes will greatly improve the chances of those changes being a success.

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Post by ClaretLoup » Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:08 pm

Laudable sentiments but four days after we play Villa we can expect a full reserve starting line up. I expect Peterborough to do the same as they are chasing automatic promotion. These cup games are becoming an absolute farce.

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Post by Targetman » Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:56 pm

"4 days after we play Villa"??

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:12 pm

I don’t imagine SD has ever sent a team out to lose. He has made changes and been let down.
Possibly the pre-match attitude at Gawthorpe has sent the wrong message out to the players. No doubt he will rotate for P’boro.
Whether they win is another matter but if not they need canning.

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Post by jrgbfc » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:15 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:12 pm
I don’t imagine SD has ever sent a team out to lose. He has made changes and been let down.
Possibly the pre-match attitude at Gawthorpe has sent the wrong message out to the players. No doubt he will rotate for P’boro.
Whether they win is another matter but if not they need canning.
But when Dyche who clearly hates making changes normally then goes and makes 9 or 10 for our cup games it clearly sends out a message to the players that he isn't too bothered.

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:22 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:15 pm
But when Dyche who clearly hates making changes normally then goes and makes 9 or 10 for our cup games it clearly sends out a message to the players that he isn't too bothered.
I agree with that but they are still professionals and it is their opportunity to show him what they can do.

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Post by houseboy » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:26 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:02 pm
This year, this season, we need to be more positive and with that, treat the FA Cup with some increased respect. We are good enough not to be paralysed by the fear of relegation.
Let’s just go with the mantra of, ‘one game at a time’. Let’s not differentiate between League and Cup for the remainder of this season. Just play the best possible eleven for each game, just making changes for form and injuries.
The rest as they say, will take care of itself. This will lend itself to some rotational changes, keeping a greater number of squad members happy, knowing that they are more likely to be given an opportunity.

We have to get away from the failed tradition of making wholesale changes for a Cup game, we need the continuity of ‘just another game’, ‘one game at a time’.

Just a couple of changes will greatly improve the chances of those changes being a success.
I apologise in advance. When I saw that tired old mantra in the heading I thought 'oh no here we go again, another Dyche cliche'. However your post is much better than the heading and I agree with everything you say. Of course you are likely to get a whole army of people saying 'we can't do that, think of the PL.' And no matter how well you argue the case many will still say that you are wrong because it goes against the whole ethos of 'PL first and safety at all costs'.

You are right sir, an excellent post of the highest order. :idea: :idea: :idea:

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Post by houseboy » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:28 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:12 pm
I don’t imagine SD has ever sent a team out to lose. He has made changes and been let down.
Possibly the pre-match attitude at Gawthorpe has sent the wrong message out to the players. No doubt he will rotate for P’boro.
Whether they win is another matter but if not they need canning.
Oooh sir you are awful. Fancy a good...oops...sorry...you said canning didn't you. :lol:

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Post by houseboy » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:29 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:12 pm
I don’t imagine SD has ever sent a team out to lose. He has made changes and been let down.
Possibly the pre-match attitude at Gawthorpe has sent the wrong message out to the players. No doubt he will rotate for P’boro.
Whether they win is another matter but if not they need canning.
I don't think anyone thinks he sends teams out to lose but the way he picks his teams for cups he might as well do.

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Post by houseboy » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:30 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:22 pm
I agree with that but they are still professionals and it is their opportunity to show him what they can do.
That would be a good argument if we had 22 'good' players. Unfortunately we come up a tad short on that front. Stevenage are professionals but they are bottom of league two.

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Post by Dyched » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:33 pm

I thinks it’s hilarious tbh. Brings in the bench players who cost millions, get beat by teams who are nobodies then complains he isn’t given more money to spend.

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Post by jrgbfc » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:37 pm

Another factor is that a lot of our fringe players have barely played for 12 months. Is it any wonder we get a bitty, disjointed performance?
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Post by Funkydrummer » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:58 pm

Dyched wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:33 pm
I thinks it’s hilarious tbh. Brings in the bench players who cost millions, get beat by teams who are nobodies then complains he isn’t given more money to spend.
I'm not aware of his complaining about not having more money to spend tbh.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:15 pm

Our second 11 should easily be good enough to beat Peterbrough at home who probably qont be taking it serious themselves.

Id take an FA cup win over any achievement we have had in the last 30 years. In fact since we won the league.

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Post by houseboy » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:17 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:15 pm
Our second 11 should easily be good enough to beat Peterbrough at home who probably qont be taking it serious themselves.

Id take an FA cup win over any achievement we have had in the last 30 years. In fact since we won the league.
How would you feel if we got to the final and got beaten........................................by Brighton. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Bosscat » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:30 pm

houseboy wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:17 pm
How would you feel if we got to the final and got beaten........................................by Brighton. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Wash your mouth out House :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Post by houseboy » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:42 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:30 pm
Wash your mouth out House :shock: :shock: :shock:
Can't wait for Brighton v Leeds on telly next season. Will there be a telly left in one piece in Burnley? It's like: who do you want to win and 80% on here all shouting NO-ONE - ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE. AARGH!!! The brain then melts and after the TV is gone there is nothing left to smash. Can't wait.






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Post by jrgbfc » Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:02 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:15 pm
Our second 11 should easily be good enough to beat Peterbrough at home who probably qont be taking it serious themselves.

Id take an FA cup win over any achievement we have had in the last 30 years. In fact since we won the league.
Seem to recall people thinking the same thing before the Sunderland game....

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:57 pm

houseboy wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:17 pm
How would you feel if we got to the final and got beaten........................................by Brighton. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I dont think i could cope. :lol:

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:57 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:02 pm
Seem to recall people thinking the same thing before the Sunderland game....
Rightly so :evil:

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Post by Darnhill Claret » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:13 pm

But we shouldn’t be playing our second eleven should we?
We have clear evidence that this strategy does not work.
If Sean says he always picks a team to win every game, why does he make so many changes for specific games, which funnily enough always seem to be Cup games.
Maybe it is just coincidence, but as he then makes another load of changes for the following game (league match) maybe not.
I still want him to leave out injury doubts, (natural rotation) but the starting eleven should be the strongest possible, fitness allowing and if he wants, fill the bench with promising under 23’s.

I am and always will be a ‘happy clapper’ but I don’t want to watch a reserve team in a first team competition, despite the price drop.
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Post by tiger76 » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:10 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:13 pm
But we shouldn’t be playing our second eleven should we?
We have clear evidence that this strategy does not work.
If Sean says he always picks a team to win every game, why does he make so many changes for specific games, which funnily enough always seem to be Cup games.
Maybe it is just coincidence, but as he then makes another load of changes for the following game (league match) maybe not.
I still want him to leave out injury doubts, (natural rotation) but the starting eleven should be the strongest possible, fitness allowing and if he wants, fill the bench with promising under 23’s.

I am and always will be a ‘happy clapper’ but I don’t want to watch a reserve team in a first team competition, despite the price drop.
If we have a decent Xmas,by the time of the Peterborough tie,we could be around the 30 point mark,in which case there is no excuse for not playing our strongest XI,these cup defeats are becoming an embarrassment now.

There's no guarantee of who we'll draw in round 4,should we get there,but let's just get there and worry about the draw afterwards.

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Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:13 pm

This thread should be re titled. "The F.A. Cup. One game a season". (Anyway I'm going to it, seeing as I'll have to wait a year for the next one!! :roll: )
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:18 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:13 pm
This thread should be re titled. "The F.A. Cup. One game a season". (Anyway I'm going to it, seeing as I'll have to wait a year for the next one!! :roll: )
At least we have been to plenty of 'I was there' moments. Even if it was against us!
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Post by Winstonswhite » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:27 pm

Not sure where all this pessimism comes from. When was the last time we lost at home in the third round?

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Post by Darnhill Claret » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:36 pm

I just want to see more positivity, that’s all. We all deserve it, fans, players, staff, the club name.

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Post by RammyClaret61 » Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:10 am

Last few FA Cup games

Man City away lost
Man City away lost
Sunderland away & home drew won
Bristol city home won
Lincoln home lost
Middlesbrough home won
Arsenal away lost.

8 games in 4 seasons only one surprise result.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:24 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:02 pm
This year, this season, we need to be more positive and with that, treat the FA Cup with some increased respect.
Beaten by Spurs, Arsenal & Man City twice in the last five years. We had one horrible day in 2017 but there is otherwise no evidence of a lack of respect.

Maybe you’ve confused the two cup competitions.

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Post by NottsClaret » Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:09 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:15 pm
Our second 11 should easily be good enough to beat Peterbrough at home who probably wont be taking it serious themselves.
A good League One team will always be a match for any reserve Prem team outside the Big 6. We've been there and done it ourselves in the past.

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Post by FactualFrank » Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:19 pm

I expect Peacock-Farrell will start in goal.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:33 pm

Play the entire U23 team

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Post by Nonayforever » Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:40 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:02 pm
This year, this season, we need to be more positive and with that, treat the FA Cup with some increased respect. We are good enough not to be paralysed by the fear of relegation.
Let’s just go with the mantra of, ‘one game at a time’. Let’s not differentiate between League and Cup for the remainder of this season. Just play the best possible eleven for each game, just making changes for form and injuries.
The rest as they say, will take care of itself. This will lend itself to some rotational changes, keeping a greater number of squad members happy, knowing that they are more likely to be given an opportunity.

We have to get away from the failed tradition of making wholesale changes for a Cup game, we need the continuity of ‘just another game’, ‘one game at a time’.

Just a couple of changes will greatly improve the chances of those changes being a success.
It's Sean Dyche's Burnley.
You must be dreaming.
9 change's at least.

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Post by Darnhill Claret » Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:38 pm

No, it’s not the losing that bothers me, it’s football, any team can beat any team on any given day. That is the beauty of knockout football. We have seen that making 8 or more changes simply has not worked very well, so let’s, just for once, see how treating it as just another game works out. If there are a couple of players that need resting against Villa do that. I don’t want tired underperforming players having to play, that’s why we have a squad. Not just to play an entirely different 11 in any cup game. If we play our best 11 on the day and ‘Posh’ beat us that’s ok, but at least we gave ourselves the best possible chance. If I was resting players I would just tell Tarks and Mee to have the weekend off.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:24 pm
Beaten by Spurs, Arsenal & Man City twice in the last five years. We had one horrible day in 2017 but there is otherwise no evidence of a lack of respect.

Maybe you’ve confused the two cup competitions.
You can throw the europa in too. We dont take ANY cup serious under Dyche and nobody will convince me otherwise.

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