Corbyn's Christmas Message

[thomaspaine]

Is that you JC?

Ian Austin is who I would describe as a decent and Honorable, as well as an honest man..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iaide-nrOJc

Austin is lower than a rattlesnakes belly and has an axe to grind. Despicable character with no morals who has probably taken a bung. Not fit to lace Corbyns boots.

[Bosscat]

Austin is lower than a rattlesnakes belly and has an axe to grind. Despicable character with no morals who has probably taken a bung. Not fit to lace Corbyns boots.

Thought Corbyn prefered Slip-ons

[AndrewJB]

I think that you'll find that you're in an increasingly decreasing minority on this subject. The truth about Corbyn is there for everyone to see. In fact you almost sound just like him. Deluded and in denial. i can only hope that enough people see what a grave error his succession has been to stop it going any further. Quite frankly though, I sometimes feel as if I just no longer care. The Labour Party was stupid enough to allow him to be elected in the first place and so, where do they go from here. I've had four and a half years of having this joker rammed down my throat and I just wish that he'd been dispatched immediately. The last thing that I wanted to see was this excruciatingly pretentious Christmas Message that he thought necessary to broadcast. He simply had no right to do it.

I think you're very far down the right wing rabbit hole, so in terms of having Corbyn "rammed down your throat" over the last four years, can you actually remember reading an article that was positive about him? if not, or even if it was just the vast majority of articles that were negative, did you ever ask yourself why that might be? Is it normal that the leader of a major political party is attacked so vociferously in the media? Is it possible even that a person can be so absolutely awful, despite having been voted into office by a vast majority of the membership?

And when we're talking about things like national security, why did it not strike you as worrying that Johnson was posited as a potential security risk by senior civil servants after he was made Foreign Minister? So much so that his access was restricted. I don't recall you making an issue out of this, so perhaps you didn't know? Maybe it's because the papers you read didn't report it, or that if you'd read it elsewhere, you might have considered it 'fake news'? https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-j ... ?r=US&IR=T

[BennyD]

At least Corbin wont be getting a knighthood any time soon. That would certainly bring the honours system into disrepute.

[ablueclaret]

If you believe Blair and Brown were right wing then I guess most of this country is right wing.
People desire economic competence more than anything else, something. Lair and Brown realised.
No one would believe Corbyn had any economic understanding, and therefore his agenda promoted anxiety rather than hope.
If you are poor you know that economic failure will hit you the most.

[ablueclaret]

There is a huge difference between recognising all the problems that need addressing and being able to deal with them.
Politics is about prioritising and Labour in there desire to please everybody failed to be level with the country.
Considering 10 years of austerity, a divided Conservative a Party and perhaps the worst 2 leaders they have had, Corbyn managed to lose, that took some doing.

[dermotdermot]

But, thank god, at least he did manage to do so.

[Taffy on the wing]

I think you're very far down the right wing rabbit hole, so in terms of having Corbyn "rammed down your throat" over the last four years, can you actually remember reading an article that was positive about him? if not, or even if it was just the vast majority of articles that were negative, did you ever ask yourself why that might be? Is it normal that the leader of a major political party is attacked so vociferously in the media? Is it possible even that a person can be so absolutely awful, despite having been voted into office by a vast majority of the membership?

And when we're talking about things like national security, why did it not strike you as worrying that Johnson was posited as a potential security risk by senior civil servants after he was made Foreign Minister? So much so that his access was restricted. I don't recall you making an issue out of this, so perhaps you didn't know? Maybe it's because the papers you read didn't report it, or that if you'd read it elsewhere, you might have considered it 'fake news'? https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-j ... ?r=US&IR=T

Again...you may as well talk to the wall, they are all brainwashed by Murdoch and company & proud of it too!

[dsr]

Not too many I woud have thought as he lives in a small terraced house..... on the hand don't think Johnson and his cronies understand the concept of homelessness as they all have multiple residences, home and abroad... and so would do sweet fa to help anybody but the most fortunate in society.

In the interest of accuracy, Corbyn actually lives in a large terraced house, not a small one.

I think your logic is wrong about the effect of having two houses, incidentally. If you have one house, you don't necessarily understand homelessness any more than having two or three or four houses. If you have no home, you will understand homelessness. If you have a home, you may or may not understand it.

And don't assume that all the rich do nothing for the poor. Have you never heard of Lord Shaftesbury? Andrew Carnegie? Peter Birtwistle, to come closer to home? Bill Gates?

[AndrewJB]

There is a huge difference between recognising all the problems that need addressing and being able to deal with them.
Politics is about prioritising and Labour in there desire to please everybody failed to be level with the country.
Considering 10 years of austerity, a divided Conservative a Party and perhaps the worst 2 leaders they have had, Corbyn managed to lose, that took some doing.

If you actually thought Labour were running on a "marxist" ticket then you've swallowed the right wing cool aid. You had the choice, and picked the most right wing government this country has ever seen.

Enjoy your victory, and rub my nose in the better economy, schools, housing, healthcare, social care, defence, policing, jobs, and everything else this government brings to the table. I will toast you every time, because if this government actually performs, I'll be happy. But I don't think they will, and I'll go further to say I think you will eventually regret this government.

[Woodleyclaret]

Whos Corbyn?Didnt he once have something to do with Labour?

[bpgburn]

thomaspaine wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:19 pm
"Regardless of your political allegiance Corbyn is a decent and honorable man. The Tories have tried and failed to dig the dirt on him for decades and failed miserably... hence they resort to mis truths, half truths and lies to try to denigrate the man. The more informed amongst us recognise this but it extremely difficult to persuade others that they are being used in an effort to keep the falsehoods alive. Don't let this be you.... question, study and analyse... and don't be somebody else's obedient parrot"

post by thomaspaine » Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:11 pm
"Austin is lower than a rattlesnakes belly and has an axe to grind. Despicable character with no morals who has probably taken a bung. Not fit to lace Corbyns boots."

Did you see what you did there? You resorted "to mis truths, half truths and lies to try to denigrate the man."
Kind of makes you come across as a "Despicable character with no morals" as well as a bit of a clown to be honest. Are you sure you're not JC?

[thomaspaine]

See the point you are trying to make. My point concerned Corbyns integrity and the lack of it with Austin. His position involved such a volte-face and timed to do the Labour Party the most harm and so on reflection it was difficult to come to any other conclusion. Perhaps the word sweetner would have been more appropriate than 'bung'. Nevertheless the point still stands that if anybody tries to compare Corbyn and Austin, then there is only one winner. He is, I repeat a decent and honorable man.

[ablueclaret]

AJB, sadly I have witnessed the takeover of the Party by Marxists at all levels.
As I said in my CLP the response to the election result has been to call for the expulsion of all Blairites and a desire for a smaller purer totally socialist grouping. Even today Watson is making it clear that the top of the Party has been taken over by a group of binary thinkers who are quite incapable of viewing the world in a nuanced way, hence the hatred with respect to Israel.
My wife brought up in a Liverpool slum as working class as you get, couldn’t bring herself to vote Labour this time, she remembered Militant and its arrogant self important leaders and everything she has seen in the local party and nationally indicates the same apparently principled but actually conniving machinations which have brought the Party into disrepute.
To lose this election and the working class takes some doing but Corbyn just managed it.

[ablueclaret]

Corbyn could only become honourable if he owned his past.
Corbyn is a Marxist, but won’t admit it.
A supporter of Irish Nationalism but pretended to be a a Peace Maker.
A supporter of Marxist regimes in the a Middle East.
A man who called for Israel’s demolition
A man who saw Cuba and Venezuela as bastions of freedom.
A man who saw the Morning Star as MSM.
The man who introduced a bunch of Marxist advisers to surround him.
If that is what you want I suggest you vote Communist although their success rate in the UK has been pretty poor.
Corbyn is a chameleon you see what you want to.

[Erasmus]

To ablueclaret. Do you know what Marxism is?

[Bosscat]

To ablueclaret. Do you know what Marxism is?

A lover of Marx Brothers films

[ablueclaret]

A philosophy base on Hegel’s dialectic

[AndrewJB]

AJB, sadly I have witnessed the takeover of the Party by Marxists at all levels.
As I said in my CLP the response to the election result has been to call for the expulsion of all Blairites and a desire for a smaller purer totally socialist grouping. Even today Watson is making it clear that the top of the Party has been taken over by a group of binary thinkers who are quite incapable of viewing the world in a nuanced way, hence the hatred with respect to Israel.
My wife brought up in a Liverpool slum as working class as you get, couldn’t bring herself to vote Labour this time, she remembered Militant and its arrogant self important leaders and everything she has seen in the local party and nationally indicates the same apparently principled but actually conniving machinations which have brought the Party into disrepute.
To lose this election and the working class takes some doing but Corbyn just managed it.

You have "witnessed the takeover of the party by Marxists at all levels"? You are just using the term "marxist" as an insulting one for anyone with more left wing views than you. I'm not whatsoever a marxist, and yet I'm a lot more left wing than many of the people I know who have joined the Labour Party in the last four years, most of whom just wanted to see an end to austerity, and properly funded social services. This is middle class people who haven't suffered (apart from wage freeze) under austerity, but who have seen the effects on others, and think it's wrong. In this number are also young people (friends of my eldest daughter), who cannot understand how they have to pay exorbitant university fees, and have no access to benefits, while their working class grandparents have decent pensions, and free television licences, and cheaper heating. Most if not all of these people voted for Corbyn as leader of the party - not because they wanted to see the abolition of private property - but because he offered the best future for the whole country.

As for the top of the Labour Party, consider Corbyn's first shadow cabinet. It was filled with people from all over the party. You can't say he didn't try to lead from the centre. Far from being filled with ambition for power, he'd been a backbencher for the previous thirty years, and only put his name forward because it was his turn. He was elected because the kind of people I've described above voted for him. This is a world away from the marxist grab for power that is your experience, and I wonder whether yours is a personal one, or mostly gleaned from the newspapers that attacked him all the time.

[ablueclaret]

It’s a world that is alive and well on social media, within CLP’s and at the top of the Labour Party.My views don’t come from reading the right wing press but from reading left wing diatribes.
Are you saying that McDonnell McCluskey Milne Murphy and Murray aren’t Marxists or don’t you really care.
Were you alive during the days of Militant?
Were you alive when Corbyn stood solid with Sinn Fein and the IRA ?
Corbyn’s career has been based around an Anti American Anti colonialist Anti Western stance at all times. Yes he has became a bit of a toothless tiger in recent years more comfortable sitting on the fence than defending his true stance but he has ushered in a wave of supporters who see the revolution as imminent and the working class as some deified entity.
My views were formed back in the 60’s when I saw the ways of Tariq Ali and Robin Blackburn, middle class intellectuals who hoodwinked students of that era.
You sound a pleasant kind individual but my lived experience of the left is of a deeply selfish hard and fractious grouping who bring trouble rather than light, and sadly we have witnessed that again.